littleworm
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PPP NC: 49-47 Romney, +2 for Romney
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PoliGAF 2012 |OT4|: Your job is not to worry about 47% of these posts.
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PhoenixDark
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That's simply not true. Obama looked horrible in the debate and immediate snap polls showed it - that's a fact. The freak out was no different from what you would have seen if Romney got his ass handed to him fair and square
The Ryan comparisons make no sense. Conservatives set the post-debate narrative days before the debate: biased moderator. Ten minutes in and they were already complaining hard about her. Whether you guys want to live in reality or not, Biden's constant interrupts of Ryan rubbed many viewers the wrong way, and turned what seemed to be a clear victory into something closer. Conservatives tied that into the alleged poor moderation, then continually attacked Biden's demeanor. It was an effective spin, even if polls showed Biden won.
Democrats had nothing to spin about Obama's performance. He was awful, his own most senior advisers were visibly shocked and Obama himself even admitted he shat the bed. Stop pretending like the media turned a close loss into a landslide - it was obvious to nearly everyone who saw what had happened. 70 million people saw the president timid on stage, unwilling and unable to defend his record. He literally said Romney's views on Social Security are the same as his, he didn't mention Bain, he didn't mention the 47%, he let Romney off the hook of his tax plan. It was a HORRIBLE performance on substance and visual levels, get over it.
As I said a few days ago, winners act like winners and losers act like losers. Conservatives may have been aggressive after the Biden debate, but ultimately they acted like losers; after all only losers complain about the other side winning too mean. Too bad more than a few viewers actually agreed with that assessment due to Biden being a dick.
Better than expected.
Aaron Strife
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+2 romney... I'll take that.
eBay Huckster
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close enough
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
I think there's some extra numbers in there.
littleworm
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I'm not sure what they are saying about VA here.
PhoenixDark
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Medicare state full of seniors and they still think Biden barely won - AND they like Ryan more than the old guy. You can't blame that on media; the problem is the top of the ticket.
Thank you
Don't you think the problem could be Florida?
Hobbestetrician
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Here is my takeaway from the two PPP polls in Florida and NC today: If we were to rank the close states in order of their chances of going to Obama, these would probably be the last two. And if Romney is only up two in those states, it becomes unlikely that gap will manifest itself in other close states, meaning that some or a few will go to Obama, which is all he needs.
Doable. NC has some work to do. Not as bad as I had expected.
Guam and Puerto Rico
smokeandmirrors
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Not as high as I thought it would be...
Well, Floridians did elect a governor who was involved in Medicare fraud.
Isolate the age group to 65+ and then see what it comes out to. Guessing it would be a lot more lopsided.
We talk about his ground game with good reason. It's a tremendous asset. Obviously, it's not an insuperable advantage should he fail in other facets of the campaign. But in a close election, it could prove decisive.
Yes. As I recall, he established approximately 380 field offices nationwide. So McCain's problem was not the absence of a ground game. Rather, it was Obama's vastly superior organization which had been developed to an unprecedented scale.
Not quite. They were roughly comparable last I checked. And the Romney Campaign has not significantly expanded in the interim. So it might be slightly better but not considerably.
It's not Germany-Australia-France.
Like being a pacifist on a battlefield.
The smouldering and desecrated corpses can say that they got dismembered with honor, but at the end of the day they're fed to the dogs and shit out as fertilizer.
I'd rather not be fertilizer, thanks.
Like being a pacifist on a battlefield.
The smouldering and desecrated corpses can say that they got dismembered with honor, but at the end of the day they're fed to the dogs and shit out as fertilizer.
I'd rather not be fertilizer, thanks.
Aaron Strife
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So diablos, has your perspective on NC changed at all? Obama's only trailing by 1 more pt there then he is in Florida
ryutaro's mama
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Because not everyone that retires to FL needs Medicare to survive?
Obama was up by 2 in VA after the debate.
Aaron Strife
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Yeah, as great as Obama's ground game is there the fundamentals of the state make it that if he's doing well enough there he's probably winning fl co va etc. If we have to wait a few days for nc like in 08 either way it prlb means Obama won
Hobbestetrician
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Exactly. So it being close means that it is not guaranteed to be in Romney's column so he still has to contribute time and resources there instead of other states that he, even as of now, still has to flip to have a shot. His campaign may become spread so thin that he can only make marginal gains (if any) in many states where he needs something more substantial.
Michelle will be there on Tuesday.
Every little bit help in these states
I posted this like 20 times.
https://secure.assets.bostatic.com/pdfs/Voter_Reg_and_Early_Voting_FINAL.pdf
I posted this like 20 times.
Bam Bam Baklava
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None of these state polls make sense when you look at some of the national polls. How could Romney be leading nationally by 2 according to Ras and Gallup but only by 1 in Florida.
Officerrob
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Seriously?
Red states really really really hate Obama. The margin in the Bible belt states will be pretty crazy. It's why there is a realistic chance Obama will win the electoral college and lose the popular vote.
Romney's gains were focused in non-swing states -- he's probably leading by somewhat more than before in the South and losing by somewhat less on the coasts. Swing states already knew who the guy was.
The Bain ads from the summer were pretty much only airing in swing states, so that probably stuck with a lot of people from these states.
Can't be any worse then Lehrer
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