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PoliGAF 2012 |OT4|: Your job is not to worry about 47% of these posts.

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The Librarian

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The Chosen One said:
Now that PoliGAF has slowed down, chew on this idea to reform our national election:

We should alternate between the electoral college and the popular vote every 4 years. This way rural swing states and major population centers receive some presidential pandering at least once every 8 years. Also if a President wants to successfully run for two terms, they have to be capable of appealing to high populace red/blue states and the typical purple swing states. There's easily enough money in politics for candidates to compete for the popular vote.

This would help more people get involved and have their vote actually count for something. For people in California, Texas, and New York, it might actually be worthwhile participating in a presidential election.
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It'd just be easier to move to the popular vote.
 
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The Librarian

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The Chosen One said:
Yeah but then the candidates would never step foot in fly-over country ever again.
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Why do you say that? Why would candidates just campaign in urban areas? There aren't enough people in major cities, and there's no point campaigning in them because cities are Democratic strongholds. There's no point campaigning in those places.
 
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Ecotic

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The Chosen One said:
Yeah but then the candidates would never step foot in fly-over country ever again.
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Visitng small cities would make people in every small city in America feel like their candidate identifies with them. "He's visiting people like me, listening to concerns I would have."

A popular vote election would be such a radically transformed race in America. Both campaigns would need huge turnout in every corner of America to get the margin. Turnout would probably be much higher nationwide as Democrats in cities like Atlanta and Los Angeles, and Republicans in seemingly 'empty' Wyoming would suddenly have a vote that matters.
 
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cartoon_soldier

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Jadedx said:
Why the fuck are women starting to flock to Mitt Romney? I swear this country is full of idiots.
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According to Stan Greenberg's focus group of unmarried Women, at the debate Obama failed to articulate any vision for the economy while Romney did (lied whatever) and unmarried Women as a result had some movement towards him.
 
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RDreamer

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Jadedx said:
Why the fuck are women starting to flock to Mitt Romney? I swear this country is full of idiots.
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We in this country have the attention span of gnats. The second you stop telling us the horrible shit one politician believes or will do to you, you tend to forget.
 
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Measley

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I'm not watching the debate. I'll listen to whatever the post-debate commentary is. Clearly what actually happens at the debate doesn't matter. The only thing that does matter is how the media interprets it.
 
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Y2Kev

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Measley said:
I'm not watching the debate. I'll listen to whatever the post-debate commentary is. Clearly what actually happens at the debate doesn't matter. The only thing that does matter is how the media interprets it.
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You don't want to panic manically for two hours? I do!
 
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Loudninja

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Measley said:
I'm not watching the debate. I'll listen to whatever the post-debate commentary is. Clearly what actually happens at the debate doesn't matter. The only thing that does matter is how the media interprets it.
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You know damn well how they are going to interpret it.
 
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TheHeretic

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Measley said:
I'm not watching the debate. I'll listen to whatever the post-debate commentary is. Clearly what actually happens at the debate doesn't matter. The only thing that does matter is how the media interprets it.
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Except there's no evidence of this. People moved to Romney because he beat the president, and over 70 million people watched it. Of course it's going to have an impact. Assuming the media is running it all is just your spin on it.
 
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thefro

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Robert Gibbs said on Morning Joe a bit ago that "I think you're going to see an exceptionally strong debate performance from the president tonight." , "he may be skinny but he's tough", and "nobody ever made money betting against the President in an election".

Gauntlet thrown down
 
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codhand

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Public Policy Polling for Daily Kos & SEIU. 10/12-14. Likely voters. MoE ±2.5% (10/4-7 results)
The candidates for President are Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt Romney. If the election was today, who would you vote for?

Obama 46 (47)
Romney 50 (49)
At a time when other polls are moving back in the president's direction, our own weekly poll by Public Policy Polling saw the opposite—a two-point Romney gain. Per day:

Friday (38%) Obama 47, Romney 49
Saturday (39%) Obama 49, Romney 47
Sunday (24%) Obama 43, Romney 55

That Sunday sample, about a quarter of the total, was entirely responsible for Romney's favorable numbers. That's why the good pollsters collect data over multiple days, to smooth out such irregularities. And at 400 respondents (or so), Sunday had a single-day MoE of 4.9 percent. Lots of polls float around with worse. On the other hand, Saturday's sample MoE was 3.92 percent, while Friday's was 3.97 percent. And with no external news even suggesting the big Sunday collapse, it certainly smells like an outlier.

Moving on:

Swing state Obama 47, Romney 50
Blue state Obama 52, Romney 45
Red State Obama 40, Romney 56
Two weeks ago, it was Obama leading Romney 50-46 in the Swing states. But he was also winning Blue states by 56-37, and losing Red states by just 41-52. Actually, the change in Red states is smaller (-5) compared to Blue states (-12) and Swing states (-7).

Finally, a demographic note—in this poll, 44 percent of respondents were conservative, compared to 16 percent who were liberal. In 2008, 34 percent were conservative, and 22 percent were liberal. Now this could point to a bad sample, or it could point to depressed enthusiasm among our base. Let's really hope it's the former.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...Nation-poll-Romney-s-best-numbers-of-the-week

OK so we're back to polls not mattering until they reflect Obama's massive Rd 2 debate turnaround, good.
 
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Zabka

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Pretty even except for the Sunday poll. Probably because liberals are recovering from smoking their marijuana cigarettes Saturday night.

My prediction for the media narrative tonight: Obama was energized but overcompensated, Romney held his own by not vomiting on stage and/or crying.
 
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gcubed

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TheHeretic said:
Except there's no evidence of this. People moved to Romney because he beat the president, and over 70 million people watched it. Of course it's going to have an impact. Assuming the media is running it all is just your spin on it.
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weren't there 1 or 2 polls directly after the last debate that showed a tie? then the next day it was 70/30 romney?
 
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Loudninja

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Romney to get first question at debate
According to the Commission on Presidential Debates, the Republican presidential nominee won the coin toss. Some of the approximately 80 undecided voters that will make up the town hall audience will ask questions to Romney and President Barack Obama.

After both the president and Romney have answered a voter's question, the moderator of the debate, CNN chief political correspondent Candy Crowley, will follow up with the two candidates.

There will be no closing statements tonight from the candidates.
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/16/romney-to-get-first-question-at-debate/

Good.
 
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Dreamcaster

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TheHeretic said:
Except there's no evidence of this. People moved to Romney because he beat the president, and over 70 million people watched it. Of course it's going to have an impact. Assuming the media is running it all is just your spin on it.
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Mike Barnacle made a good point about this on Morning Joe this morning when talking about if Ohio was in play. He said 3½ weeks ago if you polled people around Columbus and Cleveland and asked them what they knew about Mitt Romney, they would probably say "a rich guy." If you polled those same areas today, the answer is "a guy who could be President." That is HUGE shift, even if it's not yet to the point of him necessarily winning that State and brings much more uncertainty into figuring out who undecideds will pull the lever for.
 
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Souldriver

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Obama better do well tonight.

Keep a nice balance between saying actual detailed policies (for the normal people), and appearing nice and eloquent and presidential (for the idiots and news networks).

Maybe I'll tune in at 3 am. But I have a long workday ahead of me, so I might not make it.
 
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TacticalFox88

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Souldriver said:
Obama better do well tonight.

Keep a nice balance between saying actual detailed policies (for the normal people), and appearing nice and eloquent and presidential (for the idiots and news networks).

Maybe I'll tune in at 3 am. But I have a long workday ahead of me, so I might not make it.
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Could do what I do. I simply go to sleep as soon as I take care of everything I need to for the night and wake up at 3.
 
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Stinkles

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Dreamcaster said:
Mike Barnacle made a good point about this on Morning Joe this morning when talking about if Ohio was in play. He said 3½ weeks ago if you polled people around Columbus and Cleveland and asked them what they knew about Mitt Romney, they would probably say "a rich guy." If you polled those same areas today, the answer is "a guy who could be President." That is HUGE shift, even if it's not yet to the point of him necessarily winning that State and brings much more uncertainty into figuring out who undecideds will pull the lever for.
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Not only is that a terrible point, its an anecdote made up out of whole cloth.
 
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Loudninja

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Dreamcaster said:
Mike Barnacle made a good point about this on Morning Joe this morning when talking about if Ohio was in play. He said 3½ weeks ago if you polled people around Columbus and Cleveland and asked them what they knew about Mitt Romney, they would probably say "a rich guy." If you polled those same areas today, the answer is "a guy who could be President." That is HUGE shift, even if it's not yet to the point of him necessarily winning that State and brings much more uncertainty into figuring out who undecideds will pull the lever for.
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Ohio is not is not in play at this time.
 
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Tim-E

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Brinbe said:
It's probably a few percentage points closer, but I sincerely hope Obama supporters just treat this poll as gospel and set out to work and work harder for their candidate instead of fret or whine.
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This is the democrat's base we're talking about here, you know what they're going to do.
 
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