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People don't like Obama but like Obamacare?
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
So far Romney and Ryan have won all the coin tosses. lol
Dreamcaster
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? Biden got the first question (Libya) and Obama got the first opening statement, I believe.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
That is because in those debates, the winners got to choose who went first. Did you watch the debates? They said in the beginning who won the coin tosses.
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Wait, is this true: http://nation.foxnews.com/mitt-romney/2012/10/15/romney-smokes-obama-pre-debate-coin-tosses
They coin toss everything? lol
I think I'm going to be going back and forth between the debate, a movie, and some Guild Wars 2. I'm more concerned about what is said afterward though.
Obama just needs to start strong right out of the gate. If he calls Romney out on his BS in the first question then I'll watch the entire thing. If he says he agrees with Romney on anything I'm likely out. Don't give Romney any credibility. That was one of the big mistakes he made in the last debate. To hell with being nice. Be nice to the moderator, the questioner, and the camera (dear god remember the cameras). View Romney as the lying filth he is.
Obama just needs to start strong right out of the gate. If he calls Romney out on his BS in the first question then I'll watch the entire thing. If he says he agrees with Romney on anything I'm likely out. Don't give Romney any credibility. That was one of the big mistakes he made in the last debate. To hell with being nice. Be nice to the moderator, the questioner, and the camera (dear god remember the cameras). View Romney as the lying filth he is.
eBay Huckster
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no, if you polled people around columbus and cleveland both times they'd say "that guy who said let detroit go bankrupt" and "that guy i'm not voting for because he said let detroit go bankrupt"
yep. "well, mitt and i largely have the same position on medicare..."
turn tv off, start liquidating assets, and find a new destination to live!
Dreamcaster
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Honestly, I had no idea. They should bring them to the center of the stage NFL style and have them call it live.
I do agree that it is a wedge issue, I do wonder what Obama would say if Romney asked him to explain what the difference in Romney's plan and Obama's plan was.
There are a ton of those people out there. I know many of them myself.
People like Romney, and don't like Romneycare.
People don't even know what Obamacare is. Romney says it's a government takeover of health care. Palin says it has death panels to kill grandma. That's all people know. Obama and the Democrats have HORRIBLE messaging and can't explain shit. Republicans always set the tone and define everything Obama does in their own terms and echo chamber it until it sticks because the GOP has strict party discipline and coordination.
eBay Huckster
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Obviously Gary Johnson's going to win by 10.
I think this is pretty interesting, something I rarely think about but it should be obvious to me...
Poll: Romney Has Large Lead In Rural Swing Counties
http://www.npr.org/2012/10/16/162979856/poll-romney-near-landslide-in-rural-swing-counties
Poll: Romney Has Large Lead In Rural Swing Counties
http://www.npr.org/2012/10/16/162979856/poll-romney-near-landslide-in-rural-swing-counties
That's actually just the dumb swing state poll. Romney's up 2 in their latest national.
cartoon_soldier
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Romney is up by 2 not Obama
I think Obama's 2008 victory is as big as we will see for a long time.
Depending on the economic climate in 2016, I think Hillary could take everything Obama took in 2008 and more.
Ugh.. then these numbers are even worse in terms of meaning anything.
hydragonwarrior
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I'm kinda curious but why haven't we seen this Obama yet?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvbu-6-yb-E&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvbu-6-yb-E&feature=relmfu
I don't remember this. The snap polls had Romney pretty decisively ahead.
I'm not gonna get on the media this time if Obama repeats what he did last time. Hopefully not. eat your wheaties!
He died some time around the debt ceiling deal.
maximum360
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You may as well punch yourself in the face now and get it over with.
I'm going to purposely try to avoid CNN post debate discussion so I'm not tempted to throw anything at my television.
Sirpopopop
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I actually liked ABC's post-debate coverage.
I enjoyed the gang tackling of Nicole Wallace by the rest of the panel.
I enjoyed the gang tackling of Nicole Wallace by the rest of the panel.
Half and half
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Fwiw, We Ask America:
http://weaskamerica.com/2012/10/16/ia-co/
IOWA- 1,499 LV. MOE is 2.6
48.7% O
45.9% R
1.2% Gary Johnson
4.2% Undecided
33 / 36 / 31 R/D/I
COLORADO - 1,206 LV. MOE is 2.9
47.0% O
48.1% R
1.4% G
3.5% U
35 / 34 / 31 R/D/I
Poll done on Oct. 15
http://weaskamerica.com/2012/10/16/ia-co/
IOWA- 1,499 LV. MOE is 2.6
48.7% O
45.9% R
1.2% Gary Johnson
4.2% Undecided
33 / 36 / 31 R/D/I
COLORADO - 1,206 LV. MOE is 2.9
47.0% O
48.1% R
1.4% G
3.5% U
35 / 34 / 31 R/D/I
Poll done on Oct. 15
If We Ask America has him up in Iowa, then he's got Iowa. Especially with the campaign's huge early voting drive there. Combine with Ohio (and a likely Nevada buffer), and I'm feeling pretty damn skippy.
If you want a rough estimate, consider America's previous periods of polarization. There were a few landslides, but most of the elections were close and divisive. So, it is possible provided the right circumstances, although we're unlikely to experience the recurring large margins of the mid-20th Century. The economy would be the most influential factor in producing a landslide.
Ignatz Mouse
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For a moment, assume Romney wins. Yes, I know, but still, just for a second. What do you think would be his best shot at a victory? Would the map look something like this?
(277 to 261)
I don't see PA turning red.
cartoon_soldier
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For a moment, assume Romney wins. Yes, I know, but still, just for a second. What do you think would be his best shot at a victory? Would the map look something like this?
(277 to 261)
He basically has to flip OH
Dreamcaster
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Maybe something like this - although supposedly Michigan and Pennsylvania are closer than Wisconsin:
I still think Obama squeaks by.
I still think Obama squeaks by.
For a moment, assume Romney wins. Yes, I know, but still, just for a second. What do you think would be his best shot at a victory? Would the map look something like this?
(277 to 261)
I don't really see a Penn flip as more likely than Ohio. PA moved more after the debate and is still, by poll consensus, bluer than Ohio. Romney's winning strategy involves winning OH, that's why he's there. Possibly WI also.
I wonder what the world would be like if it was tied and it ended up being Obama/Ryan.
In wacky world, if it did end up a tie I almost imagine it would be better to have Romney/Biden since I could see them working far better together.
At this point I'm rambling. Bring on the debate already.
In wacky world, if it did end up a tie I almost imagine it would be better to have Romney/Biden since I could see them working far better together.
At this point I'm rambling. Bring on the debate already.
PA is absolutely not going to flip. It's republican fool's gold.
Wisconsin isn't flipping, either.
So so awesome
http://www.romneytaxplan.com/
http://www.romneytaxplan.com/
BOOM! Iowa/Ohio/Wis firewall is intact. =D
And lol, c'mon, Wisconsin/PA aren't fucking gonna flip. Romney's barely consolidating the likes of VA/NC/FL as is.
PhoenixDark
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This election is over if Obama loses this debate convincingly. It's starting to become clear that Obama turned off a lot of white people at the first debate, and demoralized his base. Seeing today's ppp poll...wow.
Pretty much. Obama's just playing run-out-the-clock with Ohio and Iowa/Nevada at this point. Anything else - CO, VA, NC,FL, NH, etc - is just gravy.
gutter_trash
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if Iowa, Nevada, Virginia, Colorado, Florida go red, then we risk a tie scenario LOLOLOL
But I don't think Nevada will go red, the underestimated Latino vote will give a couple of % points up to Obama in that state that is not visible in the current polls
But I don't think Nevada will go red, the underestimated Latino vote will give a couple of % points up to Obama in that state that is not visible in the current polls
Future PhaZe
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Romney is going to win another debate isn't he.
Dreamcaster
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Another Obama "green energy" company goes belly-up:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...a123-systems-files-bankruptcy.html?cmpid=yhoo
Have there been any successes that the government gave money to, or was Romney right in his "You don't just pick the winners and losers, you pick the losers" comment? Looking for some positives here.
Perfect nickname, too!
Barring a big gaffe, this format doesn't lend itself to a clear winner. Romney probably just wants to hold serve and then try to hammer Obama on Libya in the foreign policy debate. Anything even close to a "win" for Romney tonight would be huge for him.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...a123-systems-files-bankruptcy.html?cmpid=yhoo
Have there been any successes that the government gave money to, or was Romney right in his "You don't just pick the winners and losers, you pick the losers" comment? Looking for some positives here.
Perfect nickname, too!
Barring a big gaffe, this format doesn't lend itself to a clear winner. Romney probably just wants to hold serve and then try to hammer Obama on Libya in the foreign policy debate. Anything even close to a "win" for Romney tonight would be huge for him.
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