Half and half
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Would the larger number of viewers be due to the high level of interest in Palin?
Do people care about Ryan and Biden?
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Would the larger number of viewers be due to the high level of interest in Palin?
Do people care about Ryan and Biden?
Most likely. She was a walking comedy sketch, and many folks were watching for the trainwreck factor.
Biden is funny, too.. but not in the same way.
Officerrob
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That was 100% Palin's doing. With no circus show like that this time, I'm expecting the number of views to drastically decrease.
I think that was mostly the hoopla surrounding Palin. Biden/Ryan is far less exciting to the average viewer than Palin was four years ago.
I don't think Dems care so much about Biden. Republicans love their golden boy, Ryan, though. I think most of them will definitely be tuning in, salivating at their man eviscerating the gaffe machine.
So, a convincing Biden win could be pretty demoralizing for them. It could also get some media spin just because it's a nice narrative to show the downfall of the guy they crowned the wonk king. A Biden loss probably doesn't do much, though the media will probably play it a bit to try and show Obama campaign crashing or something ridiculous.
As usual, I can be irrelevant and contribute nothing!
Officerrob
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Just got an American Crossroads ad here in southwest Virginia during Sunday Night Football. The ad was in part about how the unemployment rate is at 8.1%.................oops
neoism
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Biden ripping into Ryan would be amazing.
Thagomizer
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There's a guy chicken little-ing on another board I read to a degree that makes CS look cocky and overconfident. It's actually rather hilarious.
speculawyer
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Yeah, I like Biden. He rides the train, he never got magically rich like so many politicians, and his son is in the military. He is a stand up guy.
eBay Huckster
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Wait a minute, is Diablos not exclusive to PoliGAF?
Thagomizer
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He's like a Super Saiyan Diablos
Ka-Me-Ha-Me-HAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH MITT ROMNEY'S GOING TO WIN
Aaron Strife
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Yeah, hopefully Hillary can win it when she runs against Romney in four years.
Well shit, you need to link to this stuff.
PhoenixDark
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He has pretty much ruined his presidential aspirations over the last four years by being a dumbass. Expect him to say something crazy on thursday and embarrass the administration/campaign
Thagomizer
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He promised Obama when he was selected that he wouldn't run for President again, any rumors to the contrary can probably be attributed to him not wanting people to write him off for the next four years. He's too old and his mouth is too big. He won't run.
PhoenixDark
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Link? There was a story a couple months ago about his camp putting out feelers about 2016
ryutaro's mama
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Biden had to worry about looking like an asshole picking on a woman. Fair or not, that was what I believe people close to the Obama campaign even said?
He will need to do no such thing against Ryan.
Biden is gonna be fully off the leash on Thursday and SO FREE.
He should get a little sauced right before so we can have Uncle Joe...
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/10/20/081020fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all
The feelers are just so that people won't blow him off constantly for the next four years.
Aaron Strife
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Great news on Kaine and Tammy - I obviously hope Democrats win both the House and Senate, but the Senate is more important. Can't really get much passed without both, but if he has one it buffers him from having to veto right-wing bullshit, and with the Senate he can fill up the judicial branch (provided Reid is serious about filibuster reform).
Also a senate victory is more lasting than a House victory - we're gonna have Professor Warren and that Madison liberal lesbian in Congress for six years!
Oh, so I never saw that Biden wasn't running. Damn shame 'cuz I like him, but Hillary would be a much easier win provided Obama doesn't majorly fuck up in his second term.
Also a senate victory is more lasting than a House victory - we're gonna have Professor Warren and that Madison liberal lesbian in Congress for six years!
Oh, so I never saw that Biden wasn't running. Damn shame 'cuz I like him, but Hillary would be a much easier win provided Obama doesn't majorly fuck up in his second term.
cartoon_soldier
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Biden would have a tough time getting elected. The amount of years in Senate means a shitload of votes to attack him with.
Same here in Nebraska (Iowa market)
Diablos sees your decades and raises you centuries.
DragonSworne
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This is going to be a long night here in Baltimore
I like Biden as a person and where he is right now but you just can't be a serious Presidential candidate when you gaffe that much nonstop.
Aaron Strife
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That's fair, it's his personal appeal that wins me. I know that doesn't play for everybody.
Biden has always struck me as someone who I feel would make a good president, he's just not a very good top-ticket presidential candidate. Basically, I think he'd do good in the office, just be unable to get there under his own power at the top of a campaign ticket. It's why he makes a good VP, imo. Of course, he seemed a bit more lucid back in '08 than he seems now.
My math teacher from 1st year in high school would fucking destroy Ryan on basic arithmetic like Drago Vs. Creed.
I WILL BREAK YOU.
I agree completely. In defense of his recent gaffes, I think at this point he doesn't really care all that much. He'll care about the debate though.
titiklabingapat
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Biden would make a great progressive President, I just don't think he's a good campaigner to get there.
So I'm bored and I was thinking....
In another 10 years or so when we have a Liberal leaning Supreme Court. Would it be possible for Medicare to be ruled unconstitutional to only provide service for those above 65? Thus allowing for anybody to be able to receive medicare? Wouldn't that be considered discrimination and a violation of your civil rights? If worded right, would that be possible?
Just trying to think of alternative ways to force a single payer type of healthcare solution through.
In another 10 years or so when we have a Liberal leaning Supreme Court. Would it be possible for Medicare to be ruled unconstitutional to only provide service for those above 65? Thus allowing for anybody to be able to receive medicare? Wouldn't that be considered discrimination and a violation of your civil rights? If worded right, would that be possible?
Just trying to think of alternative ways to force a single payer type of healthcare solution through.
I'd expect such a change to come about via legislation before anyone thought of making some kind of challenge to that aspect of medicare via the courts.
soul creator
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MSNBC wanted the the Obama campaign to stop using the clips.
Pretty lame, but whatever.
Aaron Strife
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Yeah, that's my feeling.
If he ran though I would definitely support him in the primary, and he would probably get backing from Obama's crew.
definitely agree, get rid of both the msnbc clips and find something else, and the rest of the ad works imo.
cartoon_soldier
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Marc Ambinder (so glad he is back to having a proper blog) on why the Townhall debates matter a lot:
http://theweek.com/article/index/234413/feeling-your-pain
I don't think a lot of Networks did a lot of fact checking.
http://theweek.com/article/index/234413/feeling-your-pain
I don't think a lot of Networks did a lot of fact checking.
Perhaps not after the debate, but they did say that stuff beforehand.
Frank the Great
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they are stupid for using MSNBC clips. they should use clips of romney himself saying he will cut taxes for rich people in the republican primary debate, quotes from his own campaign clarifying that people with pre-existing conditions won't be covered, and some nonpartisan analysis of his tax plan that says it will cost 5 trillion.
there is no need to use news clips . . . you can make romney look like an ass just by using romney clips or statements . . .
the last line in the ad was ice cold though. they should definitely make a proper version of this web ad and start airing it on tv.
cartoon_soldier
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Let us not forget another thing that happened under Obama's Presidency. Passing of the Matthew Shepard Hate Crime Law
14 year anniversary of the episode:
http://chrisgeidner.tumblr.com/post/33139872727/fourteen-years-later
14 year anniversary of the episode:
http://chrisgeidner.tumblr.com/post/33139872727/fourteen-years-later
That's hard to imagine.
Gay marriage bans are just about the most obvious conceivable example of totally unjustified discrimination against a non- protected class, and the courts have been somewhat slow to find even those unconstitutional. There are obviously much stronger arguments for treating old people differently when it comes to health care, and I expect courts to find that Medicare as-is passes rational basis review and even intermediate scrutiny for the foreseeable future.
speculawyer
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Sirpopopop
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We could tweet this old post from Dax on the 2010 Election:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22503177&postcount=125
Father_Brain
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George Romney: Possibly still a better man than his son, not as good a man as some remember him being.
eBay Huckster
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Man, if not for the House being more of a bloodbath than expected, ClovingWestbrook would've been all kinds of prophet
George Romney: Possibly still a better man than his son, not as good a man as some remember him being.
Um, a current Supreme Court justice has far more toxic views on this stuff than an ancient Mormon who has long since died.
Scalia is one of the most powerfully disgusting bigots on the planet.
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