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PoliGAF 2012 |OT4|: Your job is not to worry about 47% of these posts.

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Incognito

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lol! did you see john king? "dur dur if romney keeps these advantages on deficit, health care and economy he will win the election" with a look of self-evidence. what a clown..
 
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Clevinger

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giga said:
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hey man, I ate my crow. I ain't Phoenix.
 
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The Technomancer

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Yeah, Obama felt weak to decent on the actual responses, but he rambled too much and tried to work in too many talking points. Where he absolutely excelled was in the rebuttals. Its telling that something as strong as his line about Romney in front of the coal plant isn't even being discussed because it was so overshadowed by other, better moments
 
Angry Fork

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Heard a caller on cspan just after the debate say that he was both a student and a veteran, that he was from a red state and voting Romney. He said he resented being called part of the 47% and that he doesn't feel he's a victim.

I wanted to scream. THEN YOU AGREE WITH OBAMA. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU. Obama was highlighting the fact that romney said that about PEOPLE LIKE YOU. He then went on to say he thinks people should have personal responsibility.

I just don't understand these fucking people it really infuriates me. They don't have any logic or reasoning skills WHY

WHY DON'T THEY HAVE ANY.

please someone explain it to me it makes my head want to burst.
 
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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
norinrad said:
Coming from you, hahahaha
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I am not sure if your comment is positive or negative towards me?

I think Obama was weak talking about his own plans moving forward. It rings poorly when he hasn't done anything (I know, long list of accomplishments) on those fronts, but he suddenly has plans that are going to get it done. When he calls out Romney's lies and poorly thought out and pressed positions, he looks really good and Romney looks really bad. Works really well for him.

He should stay on the attack.
 
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Black Republican

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just one more nit pick, Obama's answer on the AK47 question then drifting to education.... huh? lolzy execution

but im glad he stopped saying uhhh and his body language was much much better.
 
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TheNatural

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Angry Fork said:
Heard a caller on cspan just after the debate say that he was both a student and a veteran, that he was from a red state and voting Romney. He said he resented being called part of the 47% and that he doesn't feel he's a victim.

I wanted to scream. THEN YOU AGREE WITH OBAMA. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU. Obama was highlighting the fact that romney said that about PEOPLE LIKE YOU. He then went on to say he thinks people should have personal responsibility.

I just don't understand these fucking people it really infuriates me. They don't have any logic or reasoning skills WHY

WHY DON'T THEY HAVE ANY.

please someone explain it to me it makes my head want to burst.
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You just did earlier.
 
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The Technomancer

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AlteredBeast said:
I am not sure if your comment is positive or negative towards me?

I think Obama was weak talking about his own plans moving forward. It rings poorly when he hasn't done anything (I know, long list of accomplishments) on those fronts, but he suddenly has plans that are going to get it done. When he calls out Romney's lies and poorly thought out and pressed positions, he looks really good and Romney looks really bad. Works really well for him.

He should stay on the attack.
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Yeah, basically. Mostly it felt like Obama didn't bring anything new to the table in terms of his actual presentation, it was all stuff I'd heard in speeches many times before. It was when he engaged Romney that he excelled
 
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RDreamer

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Here's what I don't get about the whole Libya thing. The republicans seem to really really care about semantics. If a protest had attacked the consulate, that would be an act of terror. If Al Queda attacked that too would be an act of terror. Why the fuck does it matter whether me and you know specifically why they did it immediately after the fact? What in fuck's name am I going to do about it? The real thing to look at is the response. Are they doing the right things to respond to it? Are they going to catch who did it? Will they investigate and find out the facts and then let us know exactly what happened when they have all the facts? Those are the good questions. I don't need to know the day after whether a fucking video made them angry or if they were just angry. I mean, bottom line, the Republicans think no matter what that the terrorists are attacking us for our freedoms anyway!
 
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pigeon

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Black Republican said:
just one more nit pick, Obama's answer on the AK47 question then drifting to education.... huh? lolzy execution

but im glad he stopped saying uhhh and his body language was much much better.
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He's actually right about that (or at least, he said what I say, so, must have been right), he just didn't tie it together well. The problem with gun violence is violence, not guns, and we should create policies that reduce violence -- and that means increasing opportunity for urban youth and getting rid of our permanent underclass.

By allowing them to rise in class, not by killing them.
 
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Clevinger

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Angry Fork said:
Heard a caller on cspan just after the debate say that he was both a student and a veteran, that he was from a red state and voting Romney. He said he resented being called part of the 47% and that he doesn't feel he's a victim.

I wanted to scream. THEN YOU AGREE WITH OBAMA. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU. Obama was highlighting the fact that romney said that about PEOPLE LIKE YOU. He then went on to say he thinks people should have personal responsibility.

I just don't understand these fucking people it really infuriates me. They don't have any logic or reasoning skills WHY

WHY DON'T THEY HAVE ANY.

please someone explain it to me it makes my head want to burst.
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americuh, brah. americuh
 
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demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
Black Republican said:
just one more nit pick, Obama's answer on the AK47 question then drifting to education.... huh? lolzy execution

but im glad he stopped saying uhhh and his body language was much much better.
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It was actually a relevant tangent on gun violence.
 
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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
pigeon said:
He's actually right about that (or at least, he said what I say, so, must have been right), he just didn't tie it together well. The problem with gun violence is violence, not guns, and we should create policies that reduce violence -- and that means increasing opportunity for urban youth and getting rid of our permanent underclass.

By allowing them to rise in class, not by killing them.
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Yeah, he made a terrible connection between the two. Obama didn't use his talking time very well at all when he wasn't directly refuting and attacking Romney's points. He spoke more than Romney by 10% and then kept bitching about keeping time, too. I was like, "dude, you are owning this, quit coming off like a whiner"
 
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pigeon

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Aylinato said:
Binders full of women.
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On that note, from the earlier link, David Bernstein:

the phoenix said:
Hey, I know about that binder! And guess what -- Mitt Romney was lying about it....

What actually happened was that in 2002 -- prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration -- a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor.

They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected.

I have written about this before, in various contexts; tonight I've checked with several people directly involved in the MassGAP effort who confirm that this history as I've just presented it is correct -- and that Romney's claim tonight, that he asked for such a study, is false.

I will write more about this later, but for tonight let me just make a few quick additional points. First of all, according to MassGAP and MWPC, Romney did appoint 14 women out of his first 33 senior-level appointments, which is a reasonably impressive 42 percent. However, as I have reported before, those were almost all to head departments and agencies that he didn't care about -- and in some cases, that he quite specifically wanted to not really do anything. None of the senior positions Romney cared about -- budget, business development, etc. -- went to women.

Secondly, a UMass-Boston study found that the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006. (It then began rapidly rising when Deval Patrick took office.)

Third, note that in Romney's story as he tells it, this man who had led and consulted for businesses for 25 years didn't know any qualified women, or know where to find any qualified women. So what does that say?
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http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolitics/archive/2012/10/16/mind-the-binder.aspx
 
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Red Blaster

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The Technomancer said:
The gun response had some great elements but it didn't come together very well. Could have been amazing, was just decent
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To be fair, gun control is a total non-issue in this election. Why the hell they even let that question through instead of something on abortion or voter suppression is ridiculous.
 
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Magni

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Finally got the site to load:

Mind The Binder
Published Oct 16 2012, 10:46 PM by David S. Bernstein 5
Hey, I know about that binder! And guess what -- Mitt Romney was lying about it.

From the rush transcript:

CROWLEY: Governor Romney, pay equity for women?

ROMNEY: Thank you. An important topic, and one which I learned a great deal about, particularly as I was serving as governor of my state, because I had the chance to pull together a cabinet and all the applicants seemed to be men.

And I -- and I went to my staff, and I said, "How come all the people for these jobs are -- are all men." They said, "Well, these are the people that have the qualifications." And I said, "Well, gosh, can't we -- can't we find some -- some women that are also qualified?"

And -- and so we -- we took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet.

I went to a number of women's groups and said, "Can you help us find folks," and they brought us whole binders full of women.

I was proud of the fact that after I staffed my Cabinet and my senior staff, that the University of New York in Albany did a survey of all 50 states, and concluded that mine had more women in senior leadership positions than any other state in America.

Now one of the reasons I was able to get so many good women to be part of that team was because of our recruiting effort.
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Not a true story.

What actually happened was that in 2002 -- prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration -- a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor.

They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected.

I have written about this before, in various contexts; tonight I've checked with several people directly involved in the MassGAP effort who confirm that this history as I've just presented it is correct -- and that Romney's claim tonight, that he asked for such a study, is false.

I will write more about this later, but for tonight let me just make a few quick additional points. First of all, according to MassGAP and MWPC, Romney did appoint 14 women out of his first 33 senior-level appointments, which is a reasonably impressive 42 percent. However, as I have reported before, those were almost all to head departments and agencies that he didn't care about -- and in some cases, that he quite specifically wanted to not really do anything. None of the senior positions Romney cared about -- budget, business development, etc. -- went to women.

Secondly, a UMass-Boston study found that the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006. (It then began rapidly rising when Deval Patrick took office.)

Third, note that in Romney's story as he tells it, this man who had led and consulted for businesses for 25 years didn't know any qualified women, or know where to find any qualified women. So what does that say?
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TheNatural

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Angry Fork said:
I don't understand how someone can lack reasoning skills that bad though. It's neanderthal-like. The brain is literally not functioning properly and I don't understand it.
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Most red areas are heavily rural, and things like racism, guns, military, and nationalism run higher there than anything else - including common sense.

Lets call it like it is - a Republican going against a black Democrat who's been characterized as a Kenyan born Muslim apologist, that people think is some kind of multi-national socialist - nothing is going to change these ignorant people's opinion.
 
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Raine

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AlteredBeast said:
Yeah, he made a terrible connection between the two. Obama didn't use his talking time very well at all when he wasn't directly refuting and attacking Romney's points. He spoke more than Romney by 10% and then kept bitching about keeping time, too. I was like, "dude, you are owning this, quit coming off like a whiner"
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What? I don't remember Obama complaining about time much. That was one of Romney's main problems though. He came off as desperate by cutting off the moderator multiple times
 
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