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PoliGAF 2012 |OT4|: Your job is not to worry about 47% of these posts.
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What's all this from?
Internals from both campaigns.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Exceedingly annoying that Stewart actually brought that up in the Daily Show interview but then bailed Obama out with a joke two sentences into his answer.
The Lamonster
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Ha, Lethal Weapon 2
The Librarian
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Confident about: Vermont, D.C., Hawaii
Optimistic for: New York, California
Nervous about: fuck
Hopeful that: shit we gotta start panicking
Optimistic for: New York, California
Nervous about: fuck
Hopeful that: shit we gotta start panicking
Those numbers are interesting, if only because they're both biased. What's the point of internal polls if not to find out what's going on? Morale boost?
Doc Holliday
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I wish everyone was so desperate for the truth back in 2003 when we really needed hard nosed reporting. I think that's one reason the Libyan attack issue doesn't resonante. The complaints are coming from people whose fuck up lead to thousands of deaths yet they were never questioned in a serious manner. In fact if you did you question it you would be branded unpatriotic.
How many embassy attacks occurred during the bush administration ? 12! most during a US president. I don't recall Democrats making it a political issue at least not to this extent.
How many embassy attacks occurred during the bush administration ? 12! most during a US president. I don't recall Democrats making it a political issue at least not to this extent.
cartoon_soldier
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Campaigns rely on internal polls a lot.
Rocket Scientist
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So true and sad.
Why the discrepancy then? You'd think they'd both want them as accurate as possible.
The actual internals they strategize with probably are. Any campaign internal that gets to the press is the most optimistic one they had lying around. So we're seeing both ends of the scale.
Didn't the Obama campaign say they take off like 1 or 2 points from any internal poll they have?
That was predebate, when things were looking extremely well and they could hardly believe it.
It's possible sometimes. I wouldn't be surprised if sometimes campaigns would poll in a certain way to ensure the staff works well.
Well, people delude themselves all the time in a political campaign, because if they were honest about the possibility of defeat it would demoralize volunteers, donors, and candidates.
Politico just had a piece about superPACs scrambling to put together measurable accomplishments to show their hidden masters during the Obama victory speech so that they don't get sued fo failing to deliver. That's what reality looks like. That time is not being spent helping Romney.
Pro-Obama Super PAC Revives Bain Capital Attacks In Final Push To November
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/bain-capital-ads-priorities-usa.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
what state?
'Stage'....It really is a powerful, effective ad. I haven't seen it in weeks and I knew what it was just by the name.
I'll more than likely be voting straight ticket except for House of Delegates, because I once overheard our democrat incumbent drunk ranting about Obama being a muslim and whatnot while at a restaurant. The way the party in this state has tried to distance itself from the national party has been frustrating, but they are much better options than their republican counterparts, so I'll be going democrat for those seats, as well.
PhoenixDark
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Link?
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between a quark and a baryon
Why are campaign internal considered more accurate than the public polls we see?
They hire the best and pay them better than a polling firm would. And they poll a lot more. They likely poll all the swing states every single day.
They're done more often and they cost more, I'm pretty sure.
So the reversion in RAND is because of another shift in intention to vote. Really illustrates how important GOTV is for Dems once again.
Got my WA ballot yesterday, filled it out before I even got my coat off after walking in the door. I'd been willing to consider every candidate, but every GOP offering for every office was just rewording the same platform as the national level. Wound up with a straight ticket.
It was posted on dailykos.com
RustyNails
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My wife is super excited to kick Joe Walsh's ass out, much more than voting for Obama.
Black Republican
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heh, i like this article, how dems stayed calm after the first debate
http://huff.to/TyBT4R
can gaf relate?
http://huff.to/TyBT4R
can gaf relate?
It was actually a really well laid out, simple ballot this year. I had to read the gay marriage bill like 100 times to make sure I meant yes though. That wording was excruciating.
Gary Johnson in Richmond, VA last week...
I wonder if we'll ever be able to have a third party taken serious and actually win an election. I don't see it happening anytime soon though. It would be amazing if someone like that could get in, but then again what would likely happen is both the republicans and democrats would be bitching nonstop instead of just one of them.
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My comments in no way endorses Gary Johnson, I'm just sayin'...
I wonder if we'll ever be able to have a third party taken serious and actually win an election. I don't see it happening anytime soon though. It would be amazing if someone like that could get in, but then again what would likely happen is both the republicans and democrats would be bitching nonstop instead of just one of them.
EDIT:
My comments in no way endorses Gary Johnson, I'm just sayin'...
Same thing here. I've been pushed pretty far left the last couple years and I was brought up by pretty hardcore baptist christians.
Yeah, it was a bit tortured. I knew to vote "yes" and I still read it three times to be sure.
At least McKenna didn't get his way with the wording of the measure with his copypasta from anti-marriage equality talking points. Fuck that guy, seriously.
Our form of government simply doesn't lend itself well to electing third parties by being winner-take-all as opposed to a parliamentary/proportional representation system. For better or worse, most people are going to vote strategically for either of the two big parties because it's next to impossible for third parties to get a majority of the vote.
Wow, looks like the crowd is all young people.
The amount of young people getting roped into libertarianism honestly scares me.
Dude, you just don't understand the rEVOLution
Honestly, better that than tea party conservatism.
It has always appealed to young people who let ego drive logic.
The Librarian
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No amendments in NC's ballot. Though I am kind of confused by the way these judges are presented. There are 11 different ballots for NC Court of Appeals Judge, most with only one name but some with two. So I'm voting for eleven different judges?
I'll take Republicans over Libertarians any day because their economic ideas scare the absolute shit out of me. One benefit to our winner-take-all system is that libertarians will never hold serious power.
It usually appeals to young people. They like to think they are unique and fighting the system and other such nonsense by supporting a third party candidate. They'll grow up eventually. To this day I am embarrassed for being a huge supporter of Nader in 2000.
I suppose, but these kids were probably never going to go for that anyway. That ideology just doesn't fit with the millennial generation.
Young people are pretty liberal in some key ways, especially on social issues like gay marriage and also drug legalization, and they also want to stop the war machine. Alongside that, though, I feel like a lot of the young people I've met have benefitted a lot from liberal economic policies. In all respects they should be (and I suppose statistically are) liberals.
So I guess what's scary (though probably more sad than scary) to me is that they should be going one way, but seem to be completely and utterly discouraged by the situation in our country today. I can sympathize with them. They feel like neither candidate really represents them, and neither party really represents them, and for good reason. And things aren't going great for them as a whole. But then I feel like libertarianism is kind of the easy answer for the discouraged. This all sucks, so let's just throw it all out. Government sucks, let's throw it all out and elect a guy that'll do just that.
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