Either that, or Obama could drop a bomb right in the middle of the debate. That would most likely overshadow the whole event, and he'd have a huge national audience for such an announcement.
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Assuming WI/IA are safe, Romney would have to get every other swing state in order to win without Ohio (if I'm looking at this right). His map would have to look like this.
If you give Obama ANY of those swing states + Ohio, he wins.
Assuming WI/IA are safe, Romney would have to get every other swing state in order to win without Ohio (if I'm looking at this right). His map would have to look like this.
If you give Obama ANY of those swing states + Ohio, he wins.
If New Mexico goes to Romney, then Texas goes to Obama.
Same for Nevada, which looks like a done deal.
Assuming WI/IA are safe, Romney would have to get every other swing state in order to win without Ohio (if I'm looking at this right). His map would have to look like this.
If you give Obama ANY of those swing states + Ohio, he wins.
I doubt he gets NH.
Yeah, by it "leaking" as opposed to a big press conference first thing Monday morning it makes it a bit more difficult to say that it's obviously being put out there to make Obama look good right before a foreign policy debate. It likely is, but if the WH can distance themselves from the story by denying it despite it already being out there, then it softens the "politicizing Iran" blow. Also, after their Libya debacle, I don't think the Romney camp is in a position to be calling out anyone for politicizing foreign affairs.
Word.
I believe Nevada will go for Obama, but it's not in the same class as New Mexico.
Yea it was a smart move doing it this way, they get to tell everyone while not looking like they've told everyone. There is also no doubt that it will come up at the debate and there is no way Romney will be ready for it.
I know. I'm just giving him the map (impossible map) that Romney would have to get in order to win without Ohio.
Give him Iowa instead of New Mexico and then it's a possible, though unlikely, map.
Obama can win without Ohio, though it gets messy in that scenario. Romney basically cannot.
Ohio is the critical state this year.
Yeah, I don't see how anyone can say that Obama will have the harder time if he loses in Ohio.
I sincerely doubt that either candidate will win without Ohio.
That does look more likely for him...I accidentally ended up giving back NH to Obama and....
Oh god lol
There's a reason
Yea, I could swear NY and CA had more EV's last time around. Also TX had less I think.
Well, they did, but it seems that they were redistributed just so to make the ties seem...you know, greater than 1% possible.
(not CA. had 55 last cycle)
Yeah, the EV's lost in blue/likely blue states is really, really bad luck for Democrats.
iirc CA did not change, but NY lost 2. PA lost 1 or 2, ditto for OH, IA lost 1, can't remember the other changes...
It's also bad news for Obama.
Is Halo a big seller in Japan?
Texas picked up 4 and I think Florida picked up a bunch too. Will be a nice pickup for the Dems when they flip texas
It'll be amazingly funny. If the Dems ever get Texas and the Republicans don't pick up NY or Cali there's no real point in having elections.
It has a super hardcore fan base. Doesn't hurt that it is lousy with awesome food and culture.
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That was a beautiful moment. That whole opening was great.
makingmusic476
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Texas picked up 4 and I think Florida picked up a bunch too. Will be a nice pickup for the Dems when they flip texas
Florida went from 27 to 29.
so what you're saying is that obama should have used ACORN and his chicago thugs to lie during the census
balladofwindfishes
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How'd the red states get such a population boom?
Abstinence only education.
Lower cost of living. Cheaper to live in Texas than NYC I'm sure.
Mickey Mouse will be voting for Obama again this year!
makingmusic476
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Exactly. Convince people that solid blue states dramatically grew in population while everyone else was stagnant.
It's the perfect plan. Pesky Republicans.
What's the deal with New Hampshire being the only red state in New England? It also bums me out that Indiana is a red state when all the neighbors that we claim (I.E. everyone but Kentucky) are blue. Obama barely eked out a win last time and that was pretty much due to Indy and college towns. My county voted blue, so that was nice. But we've been a Dem/union strong hold for decades, even though we went for GWB in 2004 by a significant margin.
Man, John Kerry really was a terrible choice, wasn't he? That should have been the easiest Dem presidential win since Gerald Ford was president. I really can't believe that John Kerry was the best they could come up with. Even at the time, and I was still in high school. He's really the equivalent of Romney. Except a bit more honest and without the stranger danger vibe. That was such an ugly election. I would say I'm more aware now and therefore would notice it more, but this year doesn't seem nearly as heated as 2000, 2004, or 2008. But then again, I've really tuned out pretty significantly, so I might be missing the ridiculous charged emotions that were going on 4 and 8 years ago. Plus I'm not around nearly as many people. In 2004 I was in school with 1500 other stupid kids and we all thought we were so smart and well informed on all the issues. And the last election I was working in an office with 500-800 people depending on shifts. This election I work in a building with about 30 people tops, and I work 3rds so I only directly work with 3 other people. And politics rarely comes up.
Man, John Kerry really was a terrible choice, wasn't he? That should have been the easiest Dem presidential win since Gerald Ford was president. I really can't believe that John Kerry was the best they could come up with. Even at the time, and I was still in high school. He's really the equivalent of Romney. Except a bit more honest and without the stranger danger vibe. That was such an ugly election. I would say I'm more aware now and therefore would notice it more, but this year doesn't seem nearly as heated as 2000, 2004, or 2008. But then again, I've really tuned out pretty significantly, so I might be missing the ridiculous charged emotions that were going on 4 and 8 years ago. Plus I'm not around nearly as many people. In 2004 I was in school with 1500 other stupid kids and we all thought we were so smart and well informed on all the issues. And the last election I was working in an office with 500-800 people depending on shifts. This election I work in a building with about 30 people tops, and I work 3rds so I only directly work with 3 other people. And politics rarely comes up.
Thagomizer
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This election definitely feels a lot less vitriolic, especially in terms of what's being hurled at Obama.
Which is kinda sad, really, considering the kind of feces that get thrown at the President.
makingmusic476
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My Dad's convinced Democratic leaders ran John Kerry knowing he'd lose, thus allowing Hilary to run in 2008.
But he's one of those guys that thinks there's some hidden plan behind everything. The EU was part of a larger plan to create a NWO, the Clinton's were in complete control of the DNC, Obama was a Manchurian candidate groomed from birth. I've been gradually talking him out of these silly ideas (look at the EU now lol). He's still a birther though.
That's some twelfth-dimensional chess shit right there.
you mean 2008
makingmusic476
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Shit. Meant 2008. Then she lost, and he immediately jumped on the "Obama was groomed for this since childhood! Nancy Pelosi, etc. are running the show! He can't even talk without help from a teleprompter, spoonfeeding him words from the DNC!" bandwagon.
Nope, they knew that they would elect the Messiah in 2008 and re-elect him in 2012, only to show how perfect a democratic candidate could be when Hillary rises from the ashes of Obama's America to win a-la LBJ in 64.
makingmusic476
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I'm sure if one of my Dad's right wing buddies told him a story like this, he'd be like "seems plausible, if not probable that that's exactly what happened!"
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In retrospect I'm kind of glad Kerry didn't win in 04. Animosity with Bush led to the Democratic sweep in 2006, whereas it's incredibly rare that a president's incumbent party gains seats in a midterm election. Kerry himself wouldn't have been very effective either, as a number of southern Democratic senators retired in 04 allowing the GOP to expand their Senate majority to 55 seats, and Republicans still held the House.
Not to mention had the financial crisis occurred anyway, Kerry would have likely been held fully responsible and beaten by John McCain or someone in the 08 election. Would have been interesting if McCain were an ineffective president himself and Hillary won this year - four one-termers in a row.
Not to mention had the financial crisis occurred anyway, Kerry would have likely been held fully responsible and beaten by John McCain or someone in the 08 election. Would have been interesting if McCain were an ineffective president himself and Hillary won this year - four one-termers in a row.
This too. Fuck that guy.Forever said:
makingmusic476
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Clinton planned the finacial collapse in the 90s. The DNC knew it would take place, so they sacrificed Kerry to make way for Obama in 2008, who would take credit for the recovery, setting up Hilary in 2016. They destroyed America for 16 years of control!
lol yeah. dude was always a bad choice
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