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PoliGAF 2012 |OT4|: Your job is not to worry about 47% of these posts.

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Haha watch someone is going to try and compare that to the whole coal miners thing.

i wouldn't be surprised

though i feel like it'd be more apt for my situation - this is possibly the last time i'm going to be able to see the president in person at all (considering my current grad plans) and it just so happens that i'm being prevented from doing so by a right-wing professor?
 

Loudninja

Member
So they seriously think that a television program gets 500+ billion dollars worth in funds every year... more than the combined budgets and gross receipts of every movie in Hollywood and TV in the last decade or so.

How in the fuck can you be so stupid and ignorant?
Come on 500 billion is not that much!
 
Right. Although it doesn't help that pew clearly skewed their result to grab headlines.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/09/oct-8-a-great-poll-for-romney-in-perspective/?hp

I feel the same way about this critique that I do when it comes from Republicans — which is to say I don’t think very much of it. As The Washington Post’s Jon Cohen notes, party identification is fluid rather than fixed. and can change in reaction to political and news events. If voters are feeling better about Mr. Romney after the debates, they might also be inclined to identify themselves to pollsters as Republicans.

I guess in this instance, Nate Silver is just full of shit?
 

Jackson50

Member
The poll about Michigan tightening up should be worrying for Obama. He needs Michigan.
A poll is never cause for concern. The aggregation of polls would be, however. And the only other post-debate poll in the state indicated Obama gaining a point since their mid-September poll.
At least we can finally put the bed the notion that debates do nothing, since they have clearly helped Romney gain at least legitimacy in the election again. Most of us in PoliGAF know that there is still only slightly better than a snowball's chance in Hell (and not that Michigan town) that Romney will see the White House outside of flying over it in one of his private jets.

But...What if Romney absolutely destroys Obama in the next two debates and Ryan embarrasses Crazy Joe on Thursday?

That could actually give the campaign a real roll of the dice feel. :p
We can put to bed the notion that debates don't accompany minor shifts in the polls. Although, I don't recall that argument being made. As for debates not mattering, I've yet to see evidence otherwise. The state of the race remains relatively static with Obama still the modest favorite.

If the Republicans run the table, then the debates will probably matter as they did in 2000, for example. So considering the election was already close, the margin of victory for either candidate would be minuscule.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
that's pretty sad that 77% of people think that PBS has a budget of $37 billion dollars or more.

I don't think its as sad as it seems, since its probably people answering glibly with very little time to think about their answer. 5% doesn't sound that large if you're not really a numbers person.
 

KingGondo

Banned
I would love to see what PBS would look like with a $500 billion dollar budget.
Live HD nature shows from every corner of the world
Original programming on par with the BBC
In-depth Frontline investigations every night of the week
Subsidized TVs with children's programming for disadvantaged kids
Jim Lehrer and Gwen Ifill cryogenically preserved for generations of reporting a la Futurama
NOVA conducting research in addition to reporting on it

...

The only question is why not?
 

Tim-E

Member
Live HD nature shows from every corner of the world
Original programming on par with the BBC
In-depth Frontline investigations every night of the week
Subsidized TVs with children's programming for disadvantaged kids
Jim Lehrer and Gwen Ifill cryogenically preserved for generations of reporting a la Futurama
NOVA conducting research in addition to reporting on it

...

The only question is why not?

I need this channel.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Live HD nature shows from every corner of the world
Original programming on par with the BBC
In-depth Frontline investigations every night of the week
Subsidized TVs with children's programming for disadvantaged kids
Jim Lehrer and Gwen Ifill cryogenically preserved for generations of reporting a la Futurama
NOVA conducting research in addition to reporting on it

...

The only question is why not?

...this needs to happen so badly...I need it
 
Live HD nature shows from every corner of the world
Original programming on par with the BBC
In-depth Frontline investigations every night of the week
Subsidized TVs with children's programming for disadvantaged kids
Jim Lehrer and Gwen Ifill cryogenically preserved for generations of reporting a la Futurama
NOVA conducting research in addition to reporting on it

...

The only question is why not?

More like funding for a NASA mission to shoot Jim Lehrer into the space so we never have to see him again
 

Averon

Member
Jesus Christ! The Dem base are the biggest bunch of babies I’ve seen. They encounter a little bit of adversity and they collapse like a house of cards.
 

Downhome

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Social issues were part of the first one, well supposed to be since it was the domestic issues debate. The last one is Foreign Policy.

The only debate Romney needs to worry about is the next one, the town hall type setup. That is a setting in which Obama can excel, and Romney can crash and burn. If they prep Romney and have him prepared, and he does to Obama there what he did in the first debate, that is when Obama and his supporters should really start to worry. I highly doubt Romney will be at the top of his game. I predict Romney takes the first and last debate, and Obama does what he does best in the town hall setting.

I also think we'll see Ryan come out on top this week, especially if they let Biden off the leash, which would likely be a mistake. All Ryan really has to do is go in and hit him hard on the middle class being buried for the last four years.
 

Dude Abides

Banned
The only debate Romney needs to worry about is the next one, the town hall type setup. That is a setting in which Obama can excel, and Romney can crash and burn. If they prep Romney and have him prepared, and he does to Obama there what he did in the first debate, that is when Obama and his supporters should really start to worry. I highly doubt Romney will be at the top of his game. I predict Romney takes the first and last debate, and Obama does what he does best in the town hall setting.

I also think we'll see Ryan come out on top this week, especially if they let Biden off the leash, which would likely be a mistake. All Ryan really has to do is go in and hit him hard on the middle class being buried for the last four years.

I don't think Ryan can just say "buried" over and over for an hour and a half. Biden will probably attack him on his medicare stance and try to make him defend Romney's ideological malleability.
 

pigeon

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All Ryan really has to do is go in and hit him hard on the middle class being buried for the last four years.

Wait, how will that help? All Biden has to say is "Yeah, because of the House of Representatives. Oh, wait, that's you. You're the one with the shovel." Most Americans AGREE that the middle class has done poorly so last four years, and that it isn't really Obama's fault, so this isn't the smoking gun people seem to think it is.

Sometimes I wonder if Biden drops fake gaffes just to get conservative bloggers riled up. (Not that you're a conservative blogger, but they really ate that comment up.)
 
link

Romney Proudly Explains How He's Turned Campaign Around

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'I'm Lying More,' He Says

BOSTON—For weeks many Beltway insiders had written off the Romney campaign as dead, saying the candidate had dug himself into too deep a hole with too little time to recover. However, with a month to go before ballots are cast, Romney has pulled even with President Obama, and the former Massachusetts governor credits his rejuvenated campaign to one, singular tactic: lying a lot.

“I’m lying a lot more, and my lies are far more egregious than they’ve ever been,” a smiling Romney told reporters while sitting in the back of his campaign bus, adding that when faced with a choice to either lie or tell the truth, he will more than likely lie. “It’s a strategy that works because when I lie, I’m essentially telling people what they want to hear, and people really like hearing things they want to hear. Even if they sort of know that nothing I’m saying is true.”

“It’s a freeing strategy, really, because I don’t have to worry about facts or being accurate or having any concrete positions of any kind,” Romney added.

Romney said he is telling at least 80 percent more lies now than he was two months ago. Buoyed by his strong debate performance, which by his own admission included 40 or 50 instances of lying in one 90-minute period, the candidate said he will continue to “just openly lie [his] ass off” until the Nov. 6 election.

Whether it’s a senior citizen, military family, working mother, businessman, or middle-class American, Romney said, he will lie to every single one of them as often as he can if that’s what it takes to win the presidency.

“The best part is, it’s really easy to lie,” said Romney, who added that voicing whatever untruths come into his mind at any given moment is an easy thing to do because all it requires is opening his mouth and talking. “For example, if someone accuses me of having a tax plan that makes no discernable sense, I just lie and say that I do have a tax plan that makes sense. I also say there is a study that backs up my plan. See that? Simple. None of it is remotely true, of course, but now we’re moving on to the next topic because people are usually too afraid to ask me straight up if I’m lying, because that is apparently not something you ask someone who is running for president.”

Moreover, Romney said, if anyone does accuse him of lying, he will simply say he is not lying, which he noted is just an extension of the overall strategy.

“So, if I’m talking to retirees,” Romney continued, “I lie and say I’ll fight tooth and nail to save Medicare, which causes them to applaud. On the other hand, if I’m talking to the party base, I lie and say we have to cut Medicare, which causes them to applaud. So, you see, my goal here is to get everyone applauding for me, because if everyone is clapping their hands, standing on their feet, and shouting my name, that means they like me and will vote for me.”

Romney’s campaign advisers said that they adopted the strategy of lying a lot after realizing several things: (1) Lying sounds good, especially when the truth sounds bad, (2) the American media doesn’t care if you lie, (3) the American people don’t care if you lie, and (4) it’s okay to lie if you are very, very desperate to become the president of the United States.

“If we’re going to be carried into the White House, it’s going to have to be on a wave of lies,” Romney campaign manager Matt Rhoades said. “Most important, Mitt is comfortable when he is lying because then he doesn’t have to say anything bad. And in this last month it’s important that we just let Mitt be Mitt, whoever the hell that is.”

“It’s late in the game, but this campaign has finally found its groove,” Rhoades added. “And that groove is lying. Bald-faced, make-no-apologies, dirty, filthy lying.”

According to Romney, amidst all the lies, there is only one thing that remains true.

“I literally have no clue where I stand on any single issue at this point,” said Romney, adding that when it comes to women’s rights, gay rights, health care, the middle class, the economy, or the U.S. military, all he knows is how to lie about them. “I understand what other people want. And what I’ve learned, especially in the past week, is that in order to be a viable candidate for the White House, that’s all you really need to know.”

Following the interview, Romney told various reporters that, if elected, he would save the newspaper industry.

The Onion :p
 

Downhome

Member
I don't think Ryan can just say "buried" over and over for an hour and a half. Biden will probably attack him on his medicare stance and try to make him defend Romney's ideological malleability.

Of course not, but it'll be the moment that everyone remembers. I imagine it'll me mentioned at least two or three times. Regardless of the rest of the debate, that will be what people remember, and it'll be what leads to Ryan winning that debate. Just wait and see.
 

Dude Abides

Banned
Of course not, but it'll be the moment that everyone remembers. I imagine it'll me mentioned at least two or three times. Regardless of the rest of the debate, that will be what people remember, and it'll be what leads to Ryan winning that debate. Just wait and see.

I'm sure it will be mentioned. It's not as if Ryan can talk about his record or Romney's, after all. I doubt it will be the kill shot you seem to think it will be.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Of course not, but it'll be the moment that everyone remembers. I imagine it'll me mentioned at least two or three times. Regardless of the rest of the debate, that will be what people remember, and it'll be what leads to Ryan winning that debate. Just wait and see.

I dunno Biden seems to be pretty good at memorable lines, both good and bad. I think how the debate plays out is entirely up to Biden. Ryan will be eaten by fact checkers one way or another, but the winner or loser of this will be chosen by Biden.
 
I dunno Biden seems to be pretty good at memorable lines, both good and bad. I think how the debate plays out is entirely up to Biden. Ryan will be eaten by fact checkers one way or another, but the winner or loser of this will be chosen by Biden.

Biden has 2 options - 1) Look old and senile or 2) Look old and wise.

I hope #2 shows up.
 
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