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[Cloudy]

BTW Gallup debuts their LV model today. Apparently it'll show a tie

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown...ow-romney-obama-tied-among-likely-voters.html

 

[Atlagev]

OK, just putting this out there, not freaking out yet, but I want to address this possibility.

My main reason for voting for Obama is the ACA. Since Romney has stated that the first thing he'll do is repeal it if he does get elected, my question is, if the Dems hold the Senate and even take the House, can he even do that? How much can he do without Senate or (hopefully) House cooperation?

 

[Forever]

Damn son, we should have an election for biggest chicken little.

Now I really wonder who would win a PoliGAF election.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

OK, just putting this out there, not freaking out yet, but I want to address this possibility.

My main reason for voting for Obama is the ACA. Since Romney has stated that the first thing he'll do is repeal it if he does get elected, my question is, if the Dems hold the Senate and even take the House, can he even do that? How much can he do without Senate or (hopefully) House cooperation?

He can easily starve funds for implementation of ACA.

 

[Tim-E]

OK, just putting this out there, not freaking out yet, but I want to address this possibility.

My main reason for voting for Obama is the ACA. Since Romney has stated that the first thing he'll do is repeal it if he does get elected, my question is, if the Dems hold the Senate and even take the House, can he even do that? How much can he do without Senate or (hopefully) House cooperation?

If the senate holds and Romney won, there's not much he could do to repeal it.

 

[Cloudy]

OK, just putting this out there, not freaking out yet, but I want to address this possibility.

My main reason for voting for Obama is the ACA. Since Romney has stated that the first thing he'll do is repeal it if he does get elected, my question is, if the Dems hold the Senate and even take the House, can he even do that? How much can he do without Senate or (hopefully) House cooperation?

If Romney wins, the GOP will have a Senate majority as well.

 

[schuelma]

OK, just putting this out there, not freaking out yet, but I want to address this possibility.

My main reason for voting for Obama is the ACA. Since Romney has stated that the first thing he'll do is repeal it if he does get elected, my question is, if the Dems hold the Senate and even take the House, can he even do that? How much can he do without Senate or (hopefully) House cooperation?

I don't think Romney can actually repeal it, but he can do a lot to gut it.

 

[Jackson50]

This reminds of of the stuff McCain did with ads, and Romney did for most of his campaign too: take some minor distraction, overblow it, and cut an ad hoping it sticks.

All campaigns exaggerate minor distractions. It's a hallmark of the political process. But what's worse is when people exaggerate the importance of a meaningless ad. The Big Bird ad reveals nothing other than some are looking to fit events to their predetermined narrative.

 

[Cloudy]

If the senate holds and Romney won, there's not much he could do to repeal it.

They could still underfund it then run against the eventual problems in 2014 to get a full majority to completely remove it

 

[reilo]

PPP Minnesota:

Obama 53
Romney 43



http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/10/obama-up-10-in-minnesota.html

But but but PD and Diablos said D:

 

[PhoenixDark]

But but but PD and Diablos said D:

Obama is winning a blue state, great. Now do an Ohio poll, PPP

 

[Sirpopopop]

They could still underfund it then run against the eventual problems in 2014 to get a full majority to completely remove it

Underfund, decline to implement the exchanges.

Yep.

 

[Forever]

But but but PD and Diablos said D:

They're chicken littling as usual but Minnesota has never been anything resembling a swing state.

 

[The Librarian]

Minnesota is slowly turning into Vermont.

And that's a good thing! We need more Vermonts.

OK, just putting this out there, not freaking out yet, but I want to address this possibility.

My main reason for voting for Obama is the ACA. Since Romney has stated that the first thing he'll do is repeal it if he does get elected, my question is, if the Dems hold the Senate and even take the House, can he even do that? How much can he do without Senate or (hopefully) House cooperation?

He can't really do anything, but I withstanding that post-election pressure to repeal it would be hard.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

But but but PD and Diablos said D:

Nobody said Minn. will swing...

I don't even know who fucking voted for PPP to poll Minn.

 

[Cloudy]

New ARG polls

CO 50-46 R LV
OH 48-47 R LV

 

[eBay Huckster]

Obama is winning a blue state, great. Now do an Ohio poll, PPP

Winning a blue state by an even wider margin than he was post-DNC.

Ohio won't show a Romney lead.

New ARG polls

CO 50-46 R LV
OH 48-47 R LV

god damn it why are all of the state polls coming from the amateurs

 

[Averon]

Freaking out over a Big Bird ad. Jeez. You all are acting like Obama is basing the rest of his campaign on Big Bird. Again, Dems cannot handle adversity at all. Their immediate reaction is to panic and fold. It's no wonder why this party gets its ass kicked more often than not by the GOP.

 

[syllogism]

Previous ARG OH poll was +1 Obama so that's a 2 point swing, not sure about Colorado

 

[eBay Huckster]

Freaking out over a Big Bird ad. Jeez. You all are acting like Obama is basing the rest of his campaign on Big Bird. Again, Dems cannot handle adversity at all. Their immediate reaction is to panic and fold. It's no wonder why this party gets its ass kicked more often than not by the GOP.

once upon a time this wasn't the case

and then vietnam happened

 

[Renji_11]

Why isn't he going more interviews to point out the Romney lies?

Yup he should of done some interviews not Axelrod and Gibbs to call of out some of the lies would actually get some media attention.

 

[Cloudy]

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - Ohio election chief to appeal decision that reinstates 3 early voting days to US Supreme Court.

At what point will the national media shame this guy (and the entire GOP) into dropping this bullshit?

 

[ToxicAdam]

Meanwhile Romney continues to trump jobs over environment:

Obama's EPA has the power to mitigate CO2 in America (per the Supreme Court) and have sat on their hands. Them coming out against a small sub-section of the coal industry was just window dressing.

Global warming is the single biggest issue facing us today. Left wing, right wing, chicken wing, nature doesn't give a shit. It's going to come for us all.

Dismissing global warming is like stating that 9/11 was an inside job. You're a crank for having that opinion.

A shame the voters decide what the biggest issue is. Which is why global warming was a conspicuosly missing topic during the DNC convention. Quite a change from 4 years ago.

So, I guess the Democrat party's current agenda of neglecting global warming concerns could be considered stating that 9/11 was an inside job. By why stop there? Like denying the Holocaust happened.

 

[Cloudy]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/...g-likely-voters-ohio-152641128--election.html

Local poll shows 45-44 O in OH with LV

 

[eBay Huckster]

At what point will the national media shame this guy (and the entire GOP) into dropping this bullshit?

god I hope Issue 1 passes so we can put recalls into the state constitution and get this piece of shit out of office

 

[Tim-E]

Freaking out over a Big Bird ad. Jeez. You all are acting like Obama is basing the rest of his campaign on Big Bird. Again, Dems cannot handle adversity at all. Their immediate reaction is to panic and fold. It's no wonder why this party gets its ass kicked more often than not by the GOP.

Yep, this party's base sucks. Even when we get the rare oppertunity to put a democrats in office, they complain the entire time about how they aren't liberal enough (see: whining about the ARA and ACA), damn pragmatism and practicality.

 

[Sirpopopop]

So, I guess the Democrat party's current agenda of neglecting global warming concerns could be considered stating that 9/11 was an inside job. By why stop there? Like denying the Holocaust happened.

So are you saying the Democratic party believes Global Warming is a hoax? Are you saying that Romney isn't going to tilt the manufacturing vs. environment balance even further in favor of manufacturing than where it is now? He even said that directly during the debate - we aren't doing enough to "exploit" our resources. He criticized funding for green energy initiatives.

Are you saying that the EPA hasn't upgraded fuel efficiency standards?

 

[Cloudy]

Why would the SC even take that case?

 

[Loudninja]

At what point will the national media shame this guy (and the entire GOP) into dropping this bullshit?

You can tell they are in trouble when they are desperately trying to limit days to vote.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Yep, this party's base sucks. Even when we get the rare oppertunity to put a democrats in office, they complain the entire time about how they aren't liberal enough (see: whining about the ARA and ACA), damn pragmatism and practicality.

Exactly. If Libs who voted for Obama in '08 think he's a failure, in the context of the crisis he inherited, then they honestly couldn't have been serious about real change in the first place.

 

[HylianTom]

You can tell they are in trouble with the desperately trying to limit days to vote.

This, and Obama's GOTV operation in Ohio makes Romney's ops look iddy-bitty/teensy-weensy. If anything like the 2008 operation, Romney needs to be ahead by a few points to pull-off an upset there.

edit:
a bit old, but to give you an idea:

 

[ToxicAdam]

?

I'm saying their actions over a four year period have demonstrated that they do not believe it's the most pressing issue today. You inferred that denying that is like being a 9/11 truther.

You also claimed that Romney puts jobs over the enviroment, yet Obama's adminstration intentionally derailed the Kerry energy bill because of the shaky economy in 2010. Instead focusing on getting HCR done and a possible second round of stimulus.

 

[PhoenixDark]

New ARG polls

CO 50-46 R LV
OH 48-47 R LV

wow

Really shows how weak Obama's support truly was. People simply weren't supporting Romney because he seemed unacceptable

 

[Cloudy]

Gallup 49-47 R LV
Gallup 49-46 O RV

Obama Approval at 53 though so once it seems Romney's bounce is short-lived in their 3-day sample

 

[Averon]

Gallup LV is out
Romney 49
Obama 47

 

[ToxicAdam]

OH WOW WE HAVE A RACE GUYS! I need to watch moar cable news to see what this all means!

 

[Tom_Cody]

The fact that Romney is talking about cutting PBS is the exact opposite of "big things". The point Obama needs to make is the "deficit hawk" party is the one that wants to spend 2 trillion in excess of what the defense department asked for and cut 400 million from PBS.

Eh. He made a half-joke about big bird as a part of one of his answers in the debate, not a policy speech on the subject. If the Obama camp presses too hard they will be the ones looking small and petty.

 

[AniHawk]

Gallup LV is out
Romney 49
Obama 47

sell your gamecubes, it's all over?

 

[TacticalFox88]

Gallup 49-47 R LV

Obama Approval at 53 though so once it seems Romney's bounce is short-lived in their 3-day sample

 

[Loudninja]

gif

haha

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Those of you panicking should at least take some consolation in Kosmo having the worst case of blue balls in medical history right now.

 

[Tim-E]

OH WOW WE HAVE A RACE GUYS! I need to watch moar cable news to see what this all means!

It means that Romney is going to win more than 400 electoral college votes. Haven't you been reading this thread?!! It's all over.

 

[Cloudy]

@jonward11: Josh Romney, introducing Mitt in Iowa, says he and his brothers taught their father "how to debate an obstinate child."

Ugh, Obama can't lose to these assholes

 

[PhoenixDark]

Eh. He made a half-joke about big bird as a part of one of his answers in the debate, not a policy speech on the subject. If the Obama camp presses too hard they will be the ones looking small and petty.

Hence my comparison to McCain. Jackson50 is right that campaigns tend to try out various lines of attacks, but McCain took that to another level by making an ad out of every comment Obama made, thing he did, etc. It led us to Joe The Plumber, afterall.

Obama came off as disinterested and lacking in specifics at the debate. The last thing he needs to do is start looking petty and reactionary.

 

[XenodudeX]

I don't get how his approval is at 53 yet Obama still loses in the LV poll.

 

[AniHawk]

comparison to a similar timeframe in 2008

obama was ahead in gallup for all of october and never relinquished the lead by the end of the month.

 

[Tim-E]

I don't get how his approval is at 53 yet Obama still loses in the LV poll.

I think the job approval is a 3 day average and the LV is either a five or seven day average.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

I don't get how his approval is at 53 yet Obama still loses in the LV poll.

Approval is only a three day average I think, pres race is seven days.

 

[jamesinclair]

Gallup LV is out
Romney 49
Obama 47

And so it was written.

 

[Eidan]

Ugh, Obama can't lose to these assholes

The Romneys are villains from an 80's comedy.