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PoliGAF 2012 |OT4|: Your job is not to worry about 47% of these posts.

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Downhome

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Cloudy said:
Are there any swing state polls out today?
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I know, Rasmussen, but still...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...dministration/daily_swing_state_tracking_poll

In the 11 swing states, Mitt Romney earns 49% support to Obama’s 47%. One percent (1%) likes another candidate, and three percent (3%) are undecided.

This is the first time Romney has led the daily Swing State Survey since September 19. Until today, the president had led for 17 of the previous 19 days, and the candidates had been tied twice. This survey is based on findings from the previous seven days, with most of the responses now coming since Romney’s debate win last Wednesday night.

Forty-six percent (46%) of these Swing State voters are now “certain” they will vote for Romney and will not change their minds. Forty percent (40%) are certain they will vote for the president.

In 2008, Obama won these states by a combined margin of 53% to 46%, virtually identical to his national margin.

Nationally, the candidates are tied in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.
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Dreamcaster

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Are Obama supporters not at all concerned that almost a week after the debate, the only thing the campaign is trying to get traction with is Big Bird? I disagree with Romney on his foreign policy speech, but he's talking about BIG THINGS and looking Presidential and the Obama campaign is talking about BIG BIRD and looking small.
 
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XenodudeX

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Dreamcaster said:
Are Obama supporters not at all concerned that almost a week after the debate, the only thing the campaign is trying to get traction with is Big Bird? I disagree with Romney on his foreign policy speech, but he's talking about BIG THINGS and looking Presidential and the Obama campaign is talking about BIG BIRD and looking small.
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Only if you're not paying attention.
 
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Owzers

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Dreamcaster said:
Are Obama supporters not at all concerned that almost a week after the debate, the only thing the campaign is trying to get traction with is Big Bird? I disagree with Romney on his foreign policy speech, but he's talking about BIG THINGS and looking Presidential and the Obama campaign is talking about BIG BIRD and looking small.
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The fact that Romney is talking about cutting PBS is the exact opposite of "big things". The point Obama needs to make is the "deficit hawk" party is the one that wants to spend 2 trillion in excess of what the defense department asked for and cut 400 million from PBS.
 
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Ecotic

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The big bird ad was kinda stupid in my opinion. The only people who really cared about that was the twitterverse, and then it got reinforced by message board and news aggregate groupthink until the internet believed that was some kind of important inflection point during this campaign. When I watch that ad I have Arnold Schwarzenegger's voice playing in my head from that scene in Pumping Iron: "C'mon, let's get serious." The Romney campaign has found a moderately useful new message with "Can we afford four more years like the last four?", while Obama's campaign is trying to relitigate the debate. They should be hammering home the new sub-8% unemployment reality instead, since the media forgot about that very pro-Obama news story after one day. They're losing news cycles.
 
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Tim-E

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Dreamcaster said:
Are Obama supporters not at all concerned that almost a week after the debate, the only thing the campaign is trying to get traction with is Big Bird? I disagree with Romney on his foreign policy speech, but he's talking about BIG THINGS and looking Presidential and the Obama campaign is talking about BIG BIRD and looking small.
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It's one of many TV ads thay're currently running. It's a cable ad, not an ad specific to any certain state, so they're not trying to target anyone with this ad like they are with the several other ads they're running.
 
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Loudninja

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Dreamcaster said:
Are Obama supporters not at all concerned that almost a week after the debate, the only thing the campaign is trying to get traction with is Big Bird? I disagree with Romney on his foreign policy speech, but he's talking about BIG THINGS and looking Presidential and the Obama campaign is talking about BIG BIRD and looking small.
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I really dont think people are getting the point.
 
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CharlieDigital

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Dreamcaster said:
Are Obama supporters not at all concerned that almost a week after the debate, the only thing the campaign is trying to get traction with is Big Bird? I disagree with Romney on his foreign policy speech, but he's talking about BIG THINGS and looking Presidential and the Obama campaign is talking about BIG BIRD and looking small.
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See, now you get it.

Except I don't think you do.
 
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PhoenixDark

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Obama's camp needs to stop retroactively trying to win the debate and move on. Get serious and discuss real issues while Romney bluffs the press. They're basically in a holding pattern right now, as Romney was before the debate: there's nothing they can do to change the narrative until the next debate. I'd rather lose news cycles talking about the economy than talking about Big Bird.
 
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cartoon_soldier

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Dreamcaster said:
Are Obama supporters not at all concerned that almost a week after the debate, the only thing the campaign is trying to get traction with is Big Bird? I disagree with Romney on his foreign policy speech, but he's talking about BIG THINGS and looking Presidential and the Obama campaign is talking about BIG BIRD and looking small.
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No, because apparently when the polls switch to a sample of after Sunday Obama will have his lead back.

Obama campaign frankly is looking like a Romney campaign post debate. The big bird ad is like the McCain celebrity spot.

There are enough things on the debate to attack Romney on. Nothing serious yet though from Obama campaign.
 
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Tim-E

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Loudninja said:
Its a freakout over every little thing.

I am at my breaking point.
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People following politics like we do need to realize that to most people, almost none of this day-to-day stuff really matters to the outcome of an election. One poll on one day doesn't matter. National polls don't matter. A single commercial doesn't matter.
 
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PhoenixDark

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cartoon_soldier said:
No, because apparently when the polls switch to a sample of after Sunday Obama will have his lead back.
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A lead that will still be smaller than it was a couple weeks ago. Meaning Romney has a shot, whereas if Obama had simply bothered to show up to the debate this election might be over right now (due to the economic data).
 
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cartoon_soldier

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Tim-E said:
People following politics like we do need to realize that to most people, almost none of this day-to-day stuff really matters to the outcome of an election. One poll on one day doesn't matter. National polls don't matter. A single commercial doesn't matter.
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We have had plenty of polls?
 
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Renji_11

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I would like to know why Obama isn't hitting Romney for admitting that he wants to turn Medicare to a voucher system. Isn't the debate the first time he admitted this point? Before it was only Ryan.
 
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Eidan

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The ad is a funny aside. The difference between this and some of the tactics seen during the worst parts of the McCain and Romney campaign is that the campaign isn't building its hopes around one topic.

You're not going to see Obama run on Big Bird the way Romney ran on "You didn't build that" or McCain ran on "Biggest celebrity in the world".
 
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KingGondo

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Tim-E said:
People following politics like we do need to realize that to most people, almost none of this day-to-day stuff really matters to the outcome of an election. One poll on one day doesn't matter. National polls don't matter. A single commercial doesn't matter.
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IT ALL MATTERS!!!!!
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Tim-E

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cartoon_soldier said:
We have had plenty of polls?
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Many indicators show that Romney's bump is receding already, yet this thread went into meltdown over a Pew and Gallup poll. Until I see a trend start to develop with individual state polls, there's no reason to care. The President isn't elected via national popular vote.
 
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XenodudeX

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cartoon_soldier said:
No, because apparently when the polls switch to a sample of after Sunday Obama will have his lead back.

Obama campaign frankly is looking like a Romney campaign post debate. The big bird ad is like the McCain celebrity spot.

There are enough things on the debate to attack Romney on. Nothing serious yet though from Obama campaign.
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What a load of complete fucking bullshit. Absolutely ridiculous.

This almost on the level of bullshit of PD's psycho analysis of Obama that I read a while back.

What about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0m5p3nYPE0&feature=g-user-u

or this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymkFAnVXB8o&feature=g-user-u

It's pretty clear you're doing this shit on purpose, and it's getting really annoying.
 
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DataStream

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Though Romney's content comes across poorly, his constant speeches and press conferences do a good job emulating the air of the presidency.

I think Obama would be well served for a few news cycles if he would make it a point to hold an address on the effect of Iran sanctions and do a proper presser.
 
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Cloudy

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I think the Big Bird ad is them trying to show they're not worried. When you have to show you're not worried, you probably are...
 
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HylianTom

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Tim-E said:
Many indicators show that Romney's bump is receding already, yet this thread went into meltdown over a Pew and Gallup poll. Until I see a trend start to develop with individual state polls, there's no reason to care. The President isn't elected via national popular vote.
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An increasing part of me is hoping for an electoral victory without popular vote victory.. the heads that would explode, oh my!

If Ohio and a few others hold, it certainly could be possible.
 
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KingGondo

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HylianTom said:
An increasing part of me is hoping for an electoral victory without popular vote victory.. the heads that would explode, oh my!

If Ohio and a few others hold, it certainly could be possible.
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If Ohio holds, it is unbelievably tough for Romney to win. That's all anyone needs to be concerned about.
 
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Cloudy

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PhoenixDark said:
Obama's camp needs to stop retroactively trying to win the debate and move on. Get serious and discuss real issues while Romney bluffs the press. They're basically of in a holding pattern right now, as Romney was before the debate: there's nothing they can do to change the narrative until the next debate. I'd rather lose news cycles talking about the economy than talking about Big Bird.
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You're exactly right. Only a good showing by Biden will make this negative narrative stop for them. There's nothing they can say to spin it till then. Just do good in the rest of the debates and fire up the base
 
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Sirpopopop

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I don't care how the victory happens.

However, Obama's EPA has done a fair amount of good:

He also established new rules to reduce the negative impacts of mountain-top removal coal mining, set historic standards limiting greenhouse gas emissions from cars and trucks, made substantial investments in clean energy, proposed the first-ever carbon pollution limits for new fossil-fuel-fired power plants, and reduced carbon emissions within the federal government.
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Meanwhile Romney continues to trump jobs over environment:

Romney is now pitching an energy plan that that embraces all the options, including fossil fuels, nuclear energy and renewables. But he recently told ScienceDebate.org that he opposes any kind of carbon tax or cap-and-trade system “that would handicap the American economy and drive manufacturing jobs away,” adding that economic growth and technological innovation, “not economy-suppressing regulation,” are key to protecting the environment in the long run.
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http://fatcatwebproductions.com/the...k-october-8-2012-obama-and-romney-environment

Global warming is the single biggest issue facing us today. Left wing, right wing, chicken wing, nature doesn't give a shit. It's going to come for us all.

Dismissing global warming is like stating that 9/11 was an inside job. You're a crank for having that opinion.
 
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Loudninja

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PPP Minnesota:

Obama 53
Romney 43

Obama has a solid 53/45 approval rating. Voters trust him more than Romney both on the economy (50/44) and on foreign policy (54/41). Obama has a 49/41 lead with independents, has the advantage with both women (56/41) and men (50/45), and has at least a small lead within all four age groups.
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Our last poll there in mid-September had found Obama's advantage to be 7 points at 51-44. A majority of the interviews for this poll were conducted Saturday and Sunday
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http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/10/obama-up-10-in-minnesota.html
 
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Ecotic

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PPP has a nice Minnesota number for Obama. Obama is underperforming the swing state senate races at the moment, which gives me hope it's a clear Democratic year and Obama will snap back a few points.
 
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