• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

PoliGAF 2012 |OT4|: Your job is not to worry about 47% of these posts.

Status
Not open for further replies.
B

BotoxAgent

Member
PA will get called for Obama the second the polls close.

I'm still in nervous Diablos mode though. I think Obama has one lousy debate performance left in him.
 
E

ErasureAcer

Banned
Watching the Carmona debate. 100% of the time he says "it's more complicated than that." He's kinda not debating in that sense being vague about the details. He's definitely drilling Flake though and he has the best demeanor of the 3 at the table(there's a Libertarian too who's pretty pissy).
 
O

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
One factor that may have pulled the party ID more heavily toward Democrats in this poll was early voting. One-in-five respondents (18 percent) said they have already voted, and, of those, almost two-thirds (63 percent) said they voted for Obama.
Click to expand...

Sorry, what? I thought Ohio got rid of the early voting thing? And even then, I thought that was only 3 days before the election?
 
A

Aaron Strife

Banned
Oblivion said:
Sorry, what? I thought Ohio got rid of the early voting thing? And even then, I thought that was only 3 days before the election?
Click to expand...
They tried to get rid of the early voting 3 days before the election (and I believe even that was overturned) - they still have it for several weeks leading up to the election, just cut some hours.
 
I

Incognito

Troll
Aaron Strife said:
Keep in mind that every poll of Nevada in 2010 lowballed Reid's support based on Hispanic voters, and for the most part they haven't adjusted anything in 2012.
Click to expand...

Word. Even the obama campaign admitted that reid's opertation in 2010 gives them an automatic point or two advantage.


Edit: looking at these early vote numbers, its gonna be hard for the GOP to make up ground on election day since most gop voters are working during voting hours...
 
J

jamesinclair

Banned
Good news everyone!


The debate is almost here!

And Biden is going to rake Ryan over the coals so hard, he will quit both his house and vp candidacy.

It will be glorious.

Remember:

1) Biden has lots of free time for debate prep, he doesnt do much
2) Biden isn't shy
3) Biden doesnt have to worry about being an angry black guy
4) Biden is old and white, people VOTE for angry old white men. Fuck, hes like the GOP wet dream, biggest crossover since Washington.
5) Biden doesn't take bs.


The debate will be the best thing on TV since Jack Bauer saved the world.









If Biden fucks this up, goodbye poligaf, this thread will be unbearable
 
O

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
Aaron Strife said:
They tried to get rid of the early voting 3 days before the election (and I believe even that was overturned) - they still have it for several weeks leading up to the election, just cut some hours.
Click to expand...

So how are these people voting already?
 
A

AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
Stream of consciousness time, my apologies in advance:


Some of the posts in here really bother me for different ways, whether it is the ignorant conservatives that come in here or the liberal back-patting, but the absolutely worst posts in here are these:

- I love donating my time to the amazing ground game that is the Obama re-elction campaign. Obama has a record fundraising month? I can't wait to donate my money and time!

Honestly, the amount of cognitive dissonance for the Obama Administrations complete failings on civil liberties and the use of evil military tactics is astounding. Had Bush killed tens of thousands of civilians by the use of drones, you people would be up in arms. Had Bush done things that would allow him to detain indefinitely US citizens without due process or habeas corpus, you would have been screaming. Had Bush signed ACTA and consistently done other things outside of the Executive Branch's purview, you would have called for impeachment. In fact, when Bush did many of these aforementioned things, you guys were calling him the worst president ever, begging for impeachment (I am talking outside of the bogus wars, which Obama, to his credit, took his sweet time, but still wound down).

Partisan dissonance is why we constantly elect representatives that we hate because we feel that, although Congress is bought and paid for by big special interests, our guy is still fighting the good fight. Anything to not let those crazy right wing nutters into power. If that is our attitude when we go to the polls, then we have already lost.


-" I went to this awesome rally. Famous musicians/politicans/actors were there. It was awesome, they even passed out flyers telling us who to vote for."

WTF? How is any of this a good thing? Great, we are using hacks and shiny things to promote nothing at all except the party line. Did the flyers telling you who to vote for that got passed out have a big square on it with a D in the middle? "Here, you lazy piece of shit students and other young people. You are easily convinced and assuaged by celebrities and flashing lights. Here is a leaflet for candidates you need to vote for. Make sure you post this on Twitter/Facebook/Youtube and let your friends know how awesome this party is!" It is sad to see when GAFFERS are as easily fooled as other sheep in both parties that walk lock-step with whatever their party does.

Imagine if we all put the same fervor behind a candidate like Jill Stein? "She still wouldn't win," you say. This is the age of the internet and the Movement Society. Had Ross Perot been a younger, more charismatic person, while still being exorbitantly and independently wealthy, who knows how high he could have reached, and that was an era before the internet. In this day and age, a candidate like that with enough backing (money) wouldn't be limited by the thought of "can they even hit double digits?" but instead by, "could they pull out a win? Barring that, could the fact that they are so passionately supported cause some real reform and change by them getting 20 - 25% of the popular vote?"


Where is the substance of this race? Where is the pacifistic student movements pushing student political groups towards total denouncement of the despicable military foreign policy we continue through Obama? Where is the denouncement of the military industrial complex?

The biggest problem in my opinion in the country is the fact that the Democrats are all bark and no bite. They can't pass shit and they can't do shit. When they are not in power, they have these amazing social movement ideas and are able to get all these amazing messages across to the youth of this country. Anti-War messages, the Decriminalization of drugs, social equality, infrastructure investment, etc. gain power and movement in a society in which they are the underdog. As they get into power, it almost seems like those groundswells of activity and passion are squelched by thoughts of "Great, my representative, my congressperson, and my president have Ds next to their names, we are finally getting what we want." The worst thing for a democrat is complacency.

Remember, Republicans and Democrats alike were prepared to vote for SOPA and PIPA until the entirety of the internet populace got together to protest and voice their frustration. They will listen to us if we do it on other issues, as well.

Imagine had the same voices of disgust and outrage from 2006 were the ones calling their democratic representatives in 2006-2010 to have them work on real progressive change. Imagine had they set their minds on creating a real solution to skyrocketing healthcare by way of real UHC, and not this lukewarm piss that is the ACA. Imagine had they had the balls and sense to say, "We are dialing down on this out of control military spending and will now take a portion of it to spend on renovating and replacing our decrepit energy grid, investing in alternative energies, etc. We are tackling skyrocketing education costs, ending the longstanding practice of future economic slavery thanks to one person working their ass of to try and achieve the American Dream. We are shifting the disproportionate amount of taxes from the lower income earners to the higher income earners, ensuring fairness in the system for all.
ETC. x10000000.

/rant, blogpost,livejournal, whatever.
 
W

Wray

Member
AniHawk said:
i think he has iowa, colorado, new hampshire and wisconsin. he needs to win either ohio, florida, virginia, or nevada to win.
Click to expand...

i think NV is safer than any state out there other than Wisconsin...if you consider that a swing state.

Polling undervalues democratic turnout in NV. In 2008 polling in NV was pretty much the same as it is now. Always in that 2-3 to 5-6% range. Obama ended up winning by 12%.

Same thing happened with Reid in 2010.
 
H

Hackbert

Member
jamesinclair said:
Good news everyone!


The debate is almost here!

And Biden is going to rake Ryan over the coals so hard, he will quit both his house and vp candidacy.

It will be glorious.

Remember:

1) Biden has lots of free time for debate prep, he doesnt do much
2) Biden isn't shy
3) Biden doesnt have to worry about being an angry black guy
4) Biden is old and white, people VOTE for angry old white men. Fuck, hes like the GOP wet dream, biggest crossover since Washington.
5) Biden doesn't take bs.


The debate will be the best thing on TV since Jack Bauer saved the world.









If Biden fucks this up, goodbye poligaf, this thread will be unbearable
Click to expand...

would pay to see this go down like you describe it. thankfully i overslept the first debate (in germany). Expect this one to be more hilarious
 
A

Aaron Strife

Banned
Oblivion said:
So how are these people voting already?
Click to expand...
I'm saying they still have it in place. All they did was reduce the hours and made it so only military voters could vote on the Friday-Saturday-Sunday weekend before election day. The latter portion was overturned, and the reduced hours were made universal across the board when the GOP wanted to allow longer voting hours in GOP heavy areas.

I don't think anyone could actually get away with cutting early voting entirely.
 
J

jiggle

Member
jamesinclair said:
Remember:

1) Biden has lots of free time for debate prep, he doesnt do much
2) Biden isn't shy
3) Biden doesnt have to worry about being an angry black guy
4) Biden is old and white, people VOTE for angry old white men. Fuck, hes like the GOP wet dream, biggest crossover since Washington.
5) Biden doesn't take bs.
Click to expand...

6) he so sexy
 
J

jamesinclair

Banned
Hackbert said:
would pay to see this go down like you describe it. thankfully i overslept the first debate (in germany). Expect this one to be more hilarious
Click to expand...

I expect a "you lie moment" with ryan stumbling "now wait just one minute...."

Also, Biden will say "can you actually explain the plan to us, or is it still a secret?"
Ryan will reply "its obviously not a secret, and Id love to explain it to the american people but I cant in two minutes..."
Biden: "So youre saying you cant explain it, its a secret"
Ryan: "Im saying now is not the time"
Biden: "50 million people are watching. Theyre waiting. Now is the time. Do you have any substance? Anything?"
Ryan "Obama raises taxes!"
 
J

jamesinclair

Banned
AlteredBeast said:
Stream of consciousness time, my apologies in advance:


Some of the posts in here really bother me for different ways, whether it is the ignorant conservatives that come in here or the liberal back-patting, but the absolutely worst posts in here are these:

- I love donating my time to the amazing ground game that is the Obama re-elction campaign. Obama has a record fundraising month? I can't wait to donate my money and time!

Honestly, the amount of cognitive dissonance for the Obama Administrations complete failings on civil liberties and the use of evil military tactics is astounding. Had Bush killed tens of thousands of civilians by the use of drones, you people would be up in arms. Had Bush done things that would allow him to detain indefinitely US citizens without due process or habeas corpus, you would have been screaming. Had Bush signed ACTA and consistently done other things outside of the Executive Branch's purview, you would have called for impeachment. In fact, when Bush did many of these aforementioned things, you guys were calling him the worst president ever, begging for impeachment (I am talking outside of the bogus wars, which Obama, to his credit, took his sweet time, but still wound down).
\
Click to expand...

I agree, thats why Im not voting Obama.
 
C

Clevinger

Member
AlteredBeast said:
Stream of consciousness time, my apologies in advance:


Some of the posts in here really bother me for different ways, whether it is the ignorant conservatives that come in here or the liberal back-patting, but the absolutely worst posts in here are these:

- I love donating my time to the amazing ground game that is the Obama re-elction campaign. Obama has a record fundraising month? I can't wait to donate my money and time!

Honestly, the amount of cognitive dissonance for the Obama Administrations complete failings on civil liberties and the use of evil military tactics is astounding. Had Bush killed tens of thousands of civilians by the use of drones, you people would be up in arms. Had Bush done things that would allow him to detain indefinitely US citizens without due process or habeas corpus, you would have been screaming. Had Bush signed ACTA and consistently done other things outside of the Executive Branch's purview, you would have called for impeachment. In fact, when Bush did many of these aforementioned things, you guys were calling him the worst president ever, begging for impeachment (I am talking outside of the bogus wars, which Obama, to his credit, took his sweet time, but still wound down).

Partisan dissonance is why we constantly elect representatives that we hate because we feel that, although Congress is bought and paid for by big special interests, our guy is still fighting the good fight. Anything to not let those crazy right wing nutters into power. If that is our attitude when we go to the polls, then we have already lost.


-" I went to this awesome rally. Famous musicians/politicans/actors were there. It was awesome, they even passed out flyers telling us who to vote for."

WTF? How is any of this a good thing? Great, we are using hacks and shiny things to promote nothing at all except the party line. Did the flyers telling you who to vote for that got passed out have a big square on it with a D in the middle? "Here, you lazy piece of shit students and other young people. You are easily convinced and assuaged by celebrities and flashing lights. Here is a leaflet for candidates you need to vote for. Make sure you post this on Twitter/Facebook/Youtube and let your friends know how awesome this party is!" It is sad to see when GAFFERS are as easily fooled as other sheep in both parties that walk lock-step with whatever their party does.

Imagine if we all put the same fervor behind a candidate like Jill Stein? "She still wouldn't win," you say. This is the age of the internet and the Movement Society. Had Ross Perot been a younger, more charismatic person, while still being exorbitantly and independently wealthy, who knows how high he could have reached, and that was an era before the internet. In this day and age, a candidate like that with enough backing (money) wouldn't be limited by the thought of "can they even hit double digits?" but instead by, "could they pull out a win? Barring that, could the fact that they are so passionately supported cause some real reform and change by them getting 20 - 25% of the popular vote?"


Where is the substance of this race? Where is the pacifistic student movements pushing student political groups towards total denouncement of the despicable military foreign policy we continue through Obama? Where is the denouncement of the military industrial complex?

The biggest problem in my opinion in the country is the fact that the Democrats are all bark and no bite. They can't pass shit and they can't do shit. When they are not in power, they have these amazing social movement ideas and are able to get all these amazing messages across to the youth of this country. Anti-War messages, the Decriminalization of drugs, social equality, infrastructure investment, etc. gain power and movement in a society in which they are the underdog. As they get into power, it almost seems like those groundswells of activity and passion are squelched by thoughts of "Great, my representative, my congressperson, and my president have Ds next to their names, we are finally getting what we want." The worst thing for a democrat is complacency.

Remember, Republicans and Democrats alike were prepared to vote for SOPA and PIPA until the entirety of the internet populace got together to protest and voice their frustration. They will listen to us if we do it on other issues, as well.

Imagine had the same voices of disgust and outrage from 2006 were the ones calling their democratic representatives in 2006-2010 to have them work on real progressive change. Imagine had they set their minds on creating a real solution to skyrocketing healthcare by way of real UHC, and not this lukewarm piss that is the ACA. Imagine had they had the balls and sense to say, "We are dialing down on this out of control military spending and will now take a portion of it to spend on renovating and replacing our decrepit energy grid, investing in alternative energies, etc. We are tackling skyrocketing education costs, ending the longstanding practice of future economic slavery thanks to one person working their ass of to try and achieve the American Dream. We are shifting the disproportionate amount of taxes from the lower income earners to the higher income earners, ensuring fairness in the system for all.
ETC. x10000000.

/rant, blogpost,livejournal, whatever.
Click to expand...

You said you'd vote for Romney, no matter all of the other terrible things he will do, if he just promised to raise taxes. You're just as silly, if not more, as all those people you're looking down on.

Also funny seeing you look down on people who are out there trying to canvas for someone, even if they're the lesser of two evils. At least they're out there trying to improve things, not just ranting on a message board about how all the idiotic masses aren't out there fixing America like they should be.
 
R

ryutaro's mama

Member
cartoon_soldier said:
I wasn't aware that millions of people selected the winner of basketball games.
Click to expand...

Not about people voting for the winner of a game.

The point is, when shit was dire and people counted them out, they DIDN'T have 2 bad performances in a row.

I like that people think that Obama has no clue what he has to do in these final 2 debates, like he has no idea he fucked up in Game 1.
 
A

AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
Clevinger said:
You said you'd vote for Romney, no matter all of the other terrible things he will do, if he just promised to raise taxes. You're just as silly, if not more, as all those people you're looking down on.

Also funny seeing you look down on people who are out there trying to canvas for someone, even if they're the lesser of two evils. At least they're out there trying to improve things, not just ranting on a message board about how all the idiotic masses aren't out there fixing America like they should be.
Click to expand...

Perhaps I should change my avatar back, because I apparently needed a winking picture next to my post. I am not voting for Romney. For any reason.

Yay for complacency! The lesser of two evils is going to really get this country going, for sure.

Rock the Vote! Don't forget your list of candidates you should vote for. Don't worry about independent thought or research, that is unnecessary, and frankly embarrassing.
 
O

Officerrob

Banned
Obama extending his lead in the Quinnipiac Virginia poll is one of the craziest things I have ever seen. Also, it seems very few people are moving away from Obama in these state polls
 
C

Cloudy

Banned
Honestly, the amount of cognitive dissonance for the Obama Administrations complete failings on civil liberties and the use of evil military tactics is astounding. Had Bush killed tens of thousands of civilians by the use of drones, you people would be up in arms. Had Bush done things that would allow him to detain indefinitely US citizens without due process or habeas corpus, you would have been screaming. Had Bush signed ACTA and consistently done other things outside of the Executive Branch's purview, you would have called for impeachment. In fact, when Bush did many of these aforementioned things, you guys were calling him the worst president ever, begging for impeachment (I am talking outside of the bogus wars, which Obama, to his credit, took his sweet time, but still wound down).
Click to expand...

I've posted in this thread that I find Obama's use of drones a gravely cynical attempt to protect himself from charges of weakness by the GOP. You may call it cognitive dissonance but I think it's pragmatic rationalization (which admittedly isn't that hard to do when drones aren't dropping bombs in my backyard).

A guy like Obama with no Military background, who's openly accused of sympathizing with the enemy by people who should know better (even Romney said so after Libya!) CANNOT go up against the Military and/or National Security Apparatus because he'd be met with instant rebuke/suspicion from the opposition, the media and even his own party. It'd be political suicide if he came in and said, "Okay, let's roll all this Bush stuff back". If an attack happened, he would be blamed. No politician is going to open himself up to that. For example, he tried to close Gitmo and try the folks there very early in his term. What happened? He got slapped down by BOTH parties and the GOP even has the audacity to say it's one of his "broken promises" on the campaign trail!

The next best thing is to embrace the military apparatus he found in office and use it to project strength to inoculate himself from the typical "weak on defense" charge leveled against Democrats. He's been pretty successful with that. And it's the reason this Libya thing isn't destroying him right now.

I don't like the drone policy but I'm not sure what Obama can do about it in our current political environment. I do believe it kills less people than when you put troops on the ground so I rationalize it that way. I don't know what the best answer is but I'm a realistic Obama supporter and I don't think Romney would be any better on this or most any other issue. Sorry but a vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Romney. I don't understand anyone protesting Obama's drone policy with a vote for a guy who would probably be worse!
 
P

pigeon

Banned
Officerrob said:
All 3 Quinnipiac polls:

Colorado: Romney 48%, Obama 47% (was Obama 48/47 prior)
Virginia: Obama 51%, Romney 46% (was Obama 50/46 prior) LOL
Wisconsin: Obama 50%, Romney 47% (was Obama 51/45)
Click to expand...

These are excellent polls for Obama, even the Colorado one (these guys had Romney up by five in CO in July, so this represents Obama doing four points better than July and only a couple of points worse than September). These numbers suggest a significantly slimmer, or shrinking, bounce for Romney, more like two points or less.

Cell-phone gap.
 
F

Forever

Banned
Cloudy said:
I've posted in this thread that I find Obama's use of drones a gravely cynical attempt to protect himself from charges of weakness by the GOP. You may call it cognitive dissonance but I think it's pragmatic rationalization (which isn't that hard to do when drones aren't dropping bombs in my backyard).

A guy like Obama with no Military background, who's openly accused of sympathizing with the enemy by people who should know better (even Romney said so after Libya!) CANNOT go up against the Military and/or National Security Apparatus because he'd be met with instant rebuke/suspicion from the opposition, the media and even his own party. It'd be political suicide if he came in and said, "Okay, let's roll all this Bush stuff back". If an attack happened, he would be blamed. No politician is going to open himself up to that. For example, he tried to close Gitmo and try the folks there very early in his term. What happened? He got slapped down by BOTH parties and the GOP even has the audacity to say it's one of his "broken promises" on the campaign trail!
Click to expand...

Except this is nothing that Obama didn't promise to do when he ran in 2008, for all those who were paying attention. I mean the GOP made a huge issue out of it when he said he'd go into Pakistan if he had to. I don't think his foreign policy is political calculus, I think he's taking what he believes to be the pragmatic solution to the problem.

I am absolutely convinced that pragmatism is Obama's guiding principle and in that respect he is my ideal president. I ask for no more from my leaders.
 
C

Clevinger

Member
AlteredBeast said:
Perhaps I should change my avatar back, because I apparently needed a winking picture next to my post. I am not voting for Romney. For any reason.

Yay for complacency! The lesser of two evils is going to really get this country going, for sure.

Rock the Vote! Don't forget your list of candidates you should vote for. Don't worry about independent thought or research, that is unnecessary, and frankly embarrassing.
Click to expand...

I take that part (voting Romney if he raises taxes) back then. My apologies.

I'll just say this. Hoping for a miracle so that a Ross Perot gets 30% of the vote, instead of the 10% he would if he was really lucky, is foolish. You might as well just pray to your diety. And even with that miracle (which would result in the huge movement you're talking about), he'd only be hurting the candidate whose views are closest to his - the one that could have actually been elected and done some positive things.

It's simply impossible to change the status quo at the presidential level right now, and probably will be for our lifetimes. That's reality. But it's not impossible to change it at the congressional level, which can heavily affect what that president does. It's not impossible to get far left (or libertarian, if that's your thing) candidates into Congress where they actually get power and actually affect things and influence the public debate. It's not impossible for a left leaning Tea Party-esque movement to get some power in Congress.

It's just that people who want third parties barely even look at that aspect. They look straight to the top of the ticket. They think not voting Obama (or voting Stein) will accomplish something, anything. It's just dumb. I mean, it's well meaning as hell, but it's dumb

edit: One last thing. Ironically, if voters hadn't wasted their votes on Nader in 2000 we wouldn't have Citizens United today, which not only makes it harder for third parties at the presidential level, but also at the congressional level. It's a perfect example of how voting third party at the presidential level is counterproductive, despite the good intentions.
 
G

GhaleonEB

Member
Ohio really is Obama's firewall. Romney is likely at or near his peak post-debate surge, and he hasn't made a dent in the polls. The internals of the NBC/WSJ make it clear there are very few persuadable voters remaining there, and a very large swath of the electorate has voted or will have soon.

I know there are hypothetical scenarios where Romney can win without Ohio, but no really plausible ones.

Definitely agree that Biden is likely to do well. I think Ryan's budgets are prime targets for Biden's empathetic approach to governing. If Biden gets all Biden-y, Ryan will be in for it.
 
A

Aaron Strife

Banned
Officerrob said:
Obama extending his lead in the Quinnipiac Virginia poll is one of the craziest things I have ever seen. Also, it seems very few people are moving away from Obama in these state polls
Click to expand...
The debate probably had a more muted effect in the swing states, since they've been pummeled with advertising compared to the other 40ish states.
 
C

Cloudy

Banned
AlteredBeast said:
Perhaps I should change my avatar back, because I apparently needed a winking picture next to my post. I am not voting for Romney. For any reason.

Yay for complacency! The lesser of two evils is going to really get this country going, for sure.

Rock the Vote! Don't forget your list of candidates you should vote for. Don't worry about independent thought or research, that is unnecessary, and frankly embarrassing.
Click to expand...

Your stance would work in a parliamentary system. In a 2-party system, you have to pick a side or you might as well not vote IMO.
 
I

Incognito

Troll
Some really good polls for obama this evening (making studying for my business stats go down much easier...). So it looks like obama just needs to summon up the courage to not look like a zombie during the 2nd and 3rd debates (a tall order, i know..) to wrap things up

"Your stance would work in a parliamentary system. In a 2-party system, you have to pick a side or you might as well not vote IMO."

Pretty sure we're getting close to a parlimentary system, if we're not there already
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

I feel like everything about my body is denying my current job at this point
19
2K
sono replied
Show us your gaming setup: 2025 Edition
2 3
106
10K
Mr Hyde replied
Post your backlog list!
2
82
4K
TheDrunkenMerchant replied
[Wired] AI Is Already Taking Jobs in the Video Game Industry
2 3 4 5
224
12K
kevboard replied
How about a Pic and a Story? Preface: Feeling Grateful, Hopeful, Loved & Motivated
0
209
Oner replied
Top Bottom