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PoliGAF 2012 |OT4|: Your job is not to worry about 47% of these posts.
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Sirpopopop
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Looks like the Boeing issue in SC isn't quite over yet.
https://www.charlestonbusiness.com/news/45506-machinists-union-mass-mail-boeing-s-c-employees
Unions looking to organize at that plant down there.
https://www.charlestonbusiness.com/news/45506-machinists-union-mass-mail-boeing-s-c-employees
Unions looking to organize at that plant down there.
This will be Ryan's first national debate and Biden has been at this for 30 years. Rational observers will take that into account. If he ends up running in the future he will have numerous primary debates to erase the memory of this one. Of course a Bentsen/Quayle "You're no Jack Kennedy" moment would be damaging to Ryan, but those sorts of theatrical moments are rare.
I think the bigger thing to keep in mind on this topic is that Ryan will be bending to the center as far as he can, which of course is off message from the political career he has crafted thus far. To the extent that he looks like a moderate he will help Romney in the general election but he will hurt his own chances at winning a Republican presidential primary in the future. I full expect that team Obama has crafted a debate strategy with this in mind. The will want to distract Ryan with concerns for his political future all night.
i dont think the debate will matter in that. I think that if he is part of a failed ticket, and some of the reasons why the ticket failed was because of his past policies, his white house ambitions are over
Good mornin', PoliFolks! Such a beautiful day!
Ohio is becoming the electoral darling of Dems everywhere, hehe..
I told my best friend in Cleveland that I'd root for the Browns as my fave AFC team if they deliver Ohio for Obama, including me visiting her and going to a game each year (meanwhile, she visits me and we go to a Saints game). She's working on it, and sounds pretty damn confident.
Ohio is becoming the electoral darling of Dems everywhere, hehe..
I'd vote for him if he did.
Though they are talking about Ryan's aspirations, not Biden's.
? No one is suggesting this
This debate is weird. Because of the Romney win last time, way more importance is being given to this - and focus is going to be put on style, and this time they are looking for Biden's style to attack the already apparent lack of substance in the Ryan plan. It's embarassing that the media will set it up this way, but that's what's happening.
Secondly Biden doesn't have to go easy on Ryan, as he was forced to with Palin. This could go one of two ways - full retard or Rocky IV. For either person.
Thirdly, polling shows that Biden is actually the underdog in this debate, although lord knows why, but Ryan is expected to do better here.
Fourthly, and I have been banging this drum for a while, Ryan's voice is literally aggravatiing. Hearing him talk policy wonkinshness in that voice for that long will not do him any favors.
So I think it's going to come down to gaffes or implosions. Either way it is one of the most artificially important VP debates ever, second only to the Palin one.
It could also help in Wisconsin. In that I don't mean it'd gain polling points, just that if Ryan wins that might gain Romney a few polling points.
ryutaro's mama
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Sounds similar to people saying Biden would come off as sexist to Palin.
Yup. Or a kid backtalking his dad. Eddie Munster.
Isn't SC a right to work state? Or am I mistaken in that?
Good. Ryan's an immature twat that never grew up. He deserves to be "son'd" more than anyone else in politics. Whenever anyone at all asks him about the details of his plan he already asks like a whiny little twit and tries to slide out of it exactly like any crafty toddler might.
According to Tagg (lol) Romney, that's a good thing.
Dude Abides
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Yes. That doesn't make organization impossible, though, just a lot more difficult.
It's not a poll. It's the projection from a complex model he developed.
Has this been posted? Because it's hilarious.
http://www.google.com/search?q=completely+wrong&hl=en&prmd=imvnsu&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=8OF2UO-bC4bliwKhuYDYDg&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ
http://www.google.com/search?q=completely+wrong&hl=en&prmd=imvnsu&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=8OF2UO-bC4bliwKhuYDYDg&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ
Do you mean in an abstract sense, or is he really your pick for the 2016 democratic primary?
Ah ok. Well, best luck to them. But after dealing with failed union drives for two years straight where I work and all the ugly crap that went down with it this year, my attitude towards unions has soured to the point where I hope they fail.
PhoenixDark
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Is this true? Interesting
RustyNails
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Someone kill CNN
"Amtrak Joe vs The Young Gun"
"Amtrak Joe vs The Young Gun"
Dude Abides
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Yeah, the lengths employers will go to in order to deny their employees representation can be pretty disgusting.
Romney would give uninsured a choice
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/11/romney-would-give-people-with-pre-existing-conditions-a-choice/?wprss=rss_politics
Another idea from the fantasy world, as this would never happen. Insurance companies aren't going to take pre-existing condition people unless they get lower risk (ex: young people) people to offset the risks/costs. No relatively healthy uninsured person (or someone that cannot afford it) is going to voluntarily sign up for insurance without a mandate, especially, as he mentions, they can get care anyway.
The only way this happens is if everyone's insurance rates go up to offset the flood of high-risk, uninsured, pre-existing condition people. Great idea!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/11/romney-would-give-people-with-pre-existing-conditions-a-choice/?wprss=rss_politics
Another idea from the fantasy world, as this would never happen. Insurance companies aren't going to take pre-existing condition people unless they get lower risk (ex: young people) people to offset the risks/costs. No relatively healthy uninsured person (or someone that cannot afford it) is going to voluntarily sign up for insurance without a mandate, especially, as he mentions, they can get care anyway.
The only way this happens is if everyone's insurance rates go up to offset the flood of high-risk, uninsured, pre-existing condition people. Great idea!
Mine was way better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k8sMJdIhJg&feature=youtu.be
Wow, Republicans must be worried about Carmona
Wow, Republicans must be worried about Carmona
littleworm
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So since the thread hasn't moved 20 pages yet, I'm guessing the polling numbers aren't out yet?
Half and half
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To try and lock-in the Republicans who think Romney is too moderate. Also, Ryan is an "ideas" guy with big numbers.
He was a favorite of conservatives. It gave him credibility with them just like Palin did with McCain.
By choice, he means you'll have the ability to look for a charity to help you out in the event you can't get insurance and you end up with significant medical issues. Hooray, you have the freedom to look for help that might not exist! Isn't that better than getting help for certain?
RustyNails
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Thread moves 20 pages if there's a collective panic attack. State polling numbers came out early morning.
We had plenty of polls.
Half and half
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Romney may be talking about some kind of pre-existing condition insurance pools just for sick people. Something that is prohibitively expensive for most Americans.
Funny how determining Romney's policies is like playing Mad Libs.
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"some form of insurance" - or maybe insurance that doesn't cover their condition.
Funny how determining Romney's policies is like playing Mad Libs.
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"some form of insurance" - or maybe insurance that doesn't cover their condition.
And then he tried to go back to the center.
Bachmann would be icing. I'd be okay with two of those three Senate candidates winning. Obama and marriage need to happen.
Palin wasn't known by the base, just like the rest of the country. Ryan is and has been for a while a beloved figure by the base (why Romney picked him as you say). Palin was more of a "I am losing, let's do something crazy and see what happens."
This interview is like word salad. None of it makes any sense. It's partially fantasy and partially vague words resembling what we already had for healthcare before Obamacare.
Employer? Our employer was awesome through the whole ordeal. The union drive people were nothing short of thugs. To the point that the police had to get involved, restraining orders were being filed, some employees were outright quitting rather than put up with it all. I realise not all drives are like this, but it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
Huh? So it's tracking towards Romney?
Edit, nvrmind, I guess your quote is more recent.
Thread explosion imminent.
Sirpopopop
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Maybe PD should have taken that bet with Mamba!
Sirpopopop
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If Romney gets in office, I'm going to guarantee him 8 years. He doesn't have to do anything and he will get good economic numbers. Obama did some of the lifting, and Romney will coast in as if he did a good job.
Democrats aren't insensitive jackasses like Republicans, they won't let the fiscal cliff hit us. Once that passes, the only thing that could derail is an implosion in Europe or China. I suppose starting a trade war with China could end up doing that for us, but I don't think Romney will actually go charge China with being a currency manipulator.
God, how that would be such sweet, sweet entertainment. Heads exploding everywhere!
But after some consideration, as much as I love Republican tears, I'd rather a big, juicy, undeniable mandate.
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