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PoliGAF 2013 |OT1| Never mind, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Oblivion

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empty vessel said:
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If you want the data, you can download it from the page:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=f8L

Between 2006 and 2012, there has been a net -60 jobs created in the public sector.

This is a serious problem.
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Thanks!

RDreamer said:
Oh my
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And we're not going to allow minorities to run roughshod over what you people believe in!
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Huh? Is the "you people" referring to the audience? That would make a bit more sense.
 
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speculawyer

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RDreamer said:
Oh my
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RAPERT: I hear you loud and clear, Barack Obama. You don't represent the country that I grew up with. And your values is not going to save us. We're going to take this country back for the Lord. We're going to try to take this country back for conservatism. And we're not going to allow minorities to run roughshod over what you people believe in!

Country you grew up with? Canada or Mexico? (Or did you mean 'in'.)
And your values is not going to save us.

The guy can't even speak English.

Oh, and he is a racist fuck.
 
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Tim-E

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Time for a Friday night dHP post!

Immigration and the Republican Divide

This past Monday, a group of eight senators, four Democrat and four Republican, announced a legislative plan to address the eleven million illegal immigrants who currently reside within the United States. Not only is the makeup of those making the announcement bipartisan, but the ideas within the proposal are as well. The legislation would create a path to citizenship for those who are already within the United States while making significant increases to border security. The following day, President Obama essentially endorsed the Senate proposal. Achieving true immigration reform is something that is politically beneficial to both parties, as it’s an issue that Democrats have sought to address for some time and it’s becoming increasingly obvious that the GOP’s disastrous support among Latinos is a recipe for defeat on a national level, something Senator John McCain admitted.

Senator McCain’s public admission of their dire electoral situation highlights the feeling among establishment Republicans who see the writing on the wall that says that unless they do something to address the 3-to-1 advantage Democrats have with Latinos, they are going to be in trouble in future elections. Despite this reality, the base and the non-elected, de-facto representatives of the Republican base are not so pleased with this idea.

Rush Limbaugh says that it is up to him to stop immigration reform from happening. He even believes that immigration is something that doesn’t even need to be addressed to get Latino support. “They have been convinced that Hispanics hate them because of immigration. Now, we know this isn’t true.” He goes on to say that it is the “welfare state” that is the most important issue for Latinos (is he insinuating that the Republicans create more “entitlement” programs to draw in Latino support?).

In the first half of President Obama’s term, health care reform was the primary legislative issue and it was incredibly divisive. Going into this next term, gun control and immigration are likely to be the two most discussed issues and they are far less divisive. And unlike the first term, immigration reform is not something that rallies the entire Republican base. When those in elected positions and their base are at odds completely, then it’s very likely that we’re not going to see the issue used as a rallying cry in two years like we saw healthcare used in 2010.

I ultimately think the bill (mostly intact) will pass both chambers of Congress and we will see serious immigration reform get to the President’s desk before next year’s midterms. And though it will take some Republicans to get the legislation passed, I am unsure of the impact it will have on how the American Latino population votes. It seems to me that Republicans think that this is their golden ticket to electoral heaven. The problem with this line of thinking is that legislative “wins” are typically credited to the sitting President. When the legislation is signed into law it will be President Obama all over the news, making trips to swing states to give speeches about how historic the bill is, not the party that’s in charge of one part of the federal government. When people look back on his time in office and if there was immigration reform passed under him, it will be Obama that gets the credit.

On top of this, I don’t think the infighting that is going to ultimately ensue from various branches of the Republican Party will make their work on the issue appear to be so positive. It will be a check mark for Democrats, but it’s silly to assume that on this one issue Latino party identification is going to result in a seismic shift to the other side.

Good policy is good policy and I will be thrilled to see any legislation make its way to the President’s desk on this issue regardless of the Republican Party’s motivations. Ultimately, though, it’s going to take a lot more than a single piece of legislation and the image of their star Latino Marco Rubio selling the bill to repair the immense damage the party’s image has taken among Latinos.
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electricpirate

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Jackson50 said:
Yeah. Reid receives inordinate blame for the failure of filibuster reform. The fault lies with certain members of the Democratic Caucus. If there were sufficient desire for reform, he would not defy his colleagues. Not that he is irreproachable. He is one of the more prominent senators seemingly bewitched with the damn thing.
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I'm pretty ticked at schumer right now, I wrote him multiple letters about the issue and he didn't respond to a single one.

Also, he opposes my favorite bike lane. Dick.
 
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Averon

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Aaron Strife said:
Conservatives respect Carter now? And have turned on Clinton it seems, who seemed to be their BFF when they thought he'd endorse Romney (for god-knows-what reason).
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Conservatives been on the Clinton bandwagon since the Iowa primaries back in 2008. It started as a thinly-veiled attempt to divide the Dem party by egging on the rivalry the Obama and Clinton camps (remember when Rush wanted his listeners to vote in Dem primaries on Super Tuesday) had for each other. Then, after Obama won, the bandwagoning morphed into genuine cheer leading of nearly all things Clinton to contrast how awful and liberal Obama is in comparison. Now, with Hilary looking like she's running again in 2016, conservatives are doing a 180 on the Clintons after praising them for the past 4-5 years. It started will Bill's DNC speech and Benghazi gave them the excuse (not that they needed it) to go full throttle.
 
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TacticalFox88

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Averon said:
Conservatives been on the Clinton bandwagon since the Iowa primaries back in 2008. It started as a thinly-veiled attempt to divide the Dem party by egging on the rivalry the Obama and Clinton camps (remember when Rush wanted his listeners to vote in Dem primaries on Super Tuesday) had for each other. Then, after Obama won, the bandwagoning morphed into genuine cheer leading of nearly all things Clinton to contrast how awful and liberal Obama is in comparison. Now, with Hilary looking like she's running again in 2016, conservatives are doing a 180 on the Clintons after praising them for the past 4-5 years. It started will Bill's DNC speech and Benghazi gave them the excuse (not that they needed it) to go full throttle.
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I find it highly ironic that Benghazi not only failed to look like a scandal to the majority of Americans, that there's evidence that it likely pushed Hillary to run in 2016 out of spite.

Conservative strategies backfire more times than some GAF created threads.
 
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Snake

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Averon said:
Conservatives been on the Clinton bandwagon since the Iowa primaries back in 2008. It started as a thinly-veiled attempt to divide the Dem party by egging on the rivalry the Obama and Clinton camps (remember when Rush wanted his listeners to vote in Dem primaries on Super Tuesday) had for each other. Then, after Obama won, the bandwagoning morphed into genuine cheer leading of nearly all things Clinton to contrast how awful and liberal Obama is in comparison. Now, with Hilary looking like she's running again in 2016, conservatives are doing a 180 on the Clintons after praising them for the past 4-5 years. It started will Bill's DNC speech and Benghazi gave them the excuse (not that they needed it) to go full throttle.
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Yep.

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A reminder that the right would have thrown around all of the same "socialist" BS no matter who won in the end. To them, Hillary has merely been a foil to use against Obama. Had she won the same thing would have been done in reverse. The only difference with Obama, and it's significant, is that they can capitalize on otherization to a far greater degree.
 
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Amir0x

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some nutjob send this to my e-mail:

Overwhelming evidence has surfaced to prove that Sandy Hooks is a hoax. For example, the recently released CNN helicopter footage that is supposed to show children escaping from the school is obviously set somewhere else. The "grieving" parents are surprisingly joyful during their interviews. The footage from the early hours of the incident shows a traffic pattern that makes it impossible for emergency vehicles to operate. There are many other points with various degrees of credibility, but anyone doing serious research should find plenty to disprove the "official" story. In spite of this, many people still manage to believe the TV version of the Sandy Hoax drama.

The critics often say that it is crazy to believe that Sandy Hook is a hoax, but this is simply an irrational emotional response. Their main argument is that the media and the government would not make such a big lie and then lie so poorly. This is the exact working principle of the "Big Lie", one of Hitler's techniques. Many people know about this technique and then fall for it anyway. Another common claim is that it's hard to fake that many deaths, but the "victims" could have been easily paid off to live with new identities. Regardless of the facts, sheeple believe what is shown on TV. They are suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome - they've learnt to love Big Brother. Accurate information and logic do not matter to them. Without the means to defend themselves, they are just sheep being led to the slaughter.

The proposed gun control legislation does not improve public safety, but reduces the ability of the people to resist tyranny. High capacity magazines are not necessary to kill unarmed people or commit crime, but are very important for fighting armed minions of a tyrannical government, and deterrring a foreign enemy invasion. Making fighting weapons less available to people reduces their ability to defend themselves. People without the ability to defend themselves are at greater risk than people that can defend themselves.

While the threat of a crazy gunman exists, it pales in comparison to the threat of a murderous government. Murderous governments are not fiction, but historical fact and have emerged virtually everywhere where gun control has been put in place. Even today, millions of political prisoners are being tortured to death in communist countries. People point to the many Western nations that have gun control but no murderous governments as examples, but these governments know that if they were to start killing their own people, Americans would step in. America is the last bastion of freedom on the planet and that is why America is under sustained attack.

The biggest threat to America today comes from within. That threat is traitors in high positions. These traitors work covertly and watch their actions carefully lest they become exposed in a manner that removes the doubt of the public, most of whom cannot believe that such massive treason can take place in our society. They have chosen the ideal cover for their goals of subverting America - the guise of public servants. Using their positions of power, they have gradually eroded our freedoms and rights to further increase their own power. America is now on the brink of dictatorship, where this small group of traitors can have unlimited control of the nation.

The ignorance of the public makes tyranny possible. Many people still believe the Sandy Hoax made for TV drama/story. This amazing feat of ignorance can only be explained by a mental disorder. This type of mass psychosis is one of the conditions necessary for a brutal regime to come to power with popular support. This is the type of mass psychosis that has fueled the public support of murderous dictators like Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. This type of mass psychosis is now prevalent in America and the traitors know it. It is no surprise that they are now seeking to disarm the rest of us, so that we cannot resist their planned tyranny.

Gun control legislation is in direct violation of the Constitution that the legislators have sworn an oath to uphold. The Constitution recognizes and protects the right of the People to own firearms and to use them for self-defense. These are not privileges granted by the Constitution, they are God-given rights that are recognized and protected under the Constitution. They are rights that every legislator has sworn an oath to protect, regardless of religion. Legislation that violates the Constitution is an act of treason. Planning such legislation is planning to commit treason. Feindstein is one of the people planning this, but she is not alone. Feindstein herself has suspicious links to communist China. With leaders like this, it is not surprising that China's economy bloomed while California's withered. Her co-conspirators may have similar alternative allegiances. If they can disarm the people and rewrite the Constitution, there will be nothing to stop them from making policies to imprison people opposed to them, or to use their positions of power for profit at the expense of the nation. They are already filthy rich from having done that.

Some people say that the weapons available to the people are not sufficient to protect freedom from tyranny, because the state has much more powerful weapons. There is truth to this criticism and this is because the state has been gradually eroding self-defense rights of the people for some time now. Under the Constitution the people should be able to possess the same weapons as the government, without restrictions. That includes fully-automatic weapons. Needing a permit for concealed carry is already an infringement of the Second Amendment. At the same time, the state has been arming itself to the teeth, including armored vehicles and drones. These weapons are a threat to our freedom and our lives. That money should be used to build our communities, instead of holding us hostage. The legislation that infringes on our rights needs to be removed and our rights must be restored and vigilantly guarded.
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THANKS 'MERICA FOR PRESERVING THE WORLD'S FREEDOM AS THE WORLD'S LAST BASTION OF FREEDOM

fucking moron.
 
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Tim-E

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So when our European allies are attacked by their own governments, our armed private citizens, and not our Armed Forces, will be the ones to defend them en masse?
 
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Tamanon

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Dax01 said:
I mean, I think I know why, but why are religious institutions opposed to birth control?
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My theory is that it's rooted in the desire to be right. And being right in modern religious terms means being the biggest. Birth Control means less people, less guilt(important for organized religion.

Also, it's a way for the Church to make money.
 
mckmas8808

mckmas8808

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Dax01 said:
I mean, I think I know why, but why are religious institutions opposed to birth control?
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It acknowledges the realization that people will have sex before marriage. That's the only truth. Most aren't opposed to birth control though. Just some.
 
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Link

The Autumn Wind
Amir0x said:
some nutjob send this to my e-mail:



THANKS 'MERICA FOR PRESERVING THE WORLD'S FREEDOM AS THE WORLD'S LAST BASTION OF FREEDOM

fucking moron.
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That's where I would simply reply with "I don't send you my fan fiction, please don't send me yours."
 
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gcubed

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Snake said:
Yep.

ir4bYA7IPGMj1.jpg


A reminder that the right would have thrown around all of the same "socialist" BS no matter who won in the end. To them, Hillary has merely been a foil to use against Obama. Had she won the same thing would have been done in reverse. The only difference with Obama, and it's significant, is that they can capitalize on otherization to a far greater degree.
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i think there will be tons of otherization for Hillary as well, either for being a woman or not being womanly enough
 
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cartoon_soldier

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DragonSworne said:
Why do many right wing folks idolize Reagan? Wasn't he a pretty crappy president?
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Republicans are good at creating stories and idols that are not based on reality.

The re-election landslide and job growth helps as that's what people remember, they don't care that he didn't cut spending or whatever to do it.
 
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airmangataosenai

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adamsappel said:
Oh, this is rich. Reagan was an actor in uniform. He was in the First Motion Picture Unit and made training films. He even falsely claimed to have liberated Auschwitz, and would tell war stories that were just the plots to his war films!
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Yeah, what makes the picture most amusing to me is how despite "Serving", both Bush Jr. and Reagan actively avoided combat positions during an actual war. I'd say that this is worse than Obama not joining during a time of peace.

That's to say nothing of Bush's period of being AWOL from his Guard unit.
 
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Jackpot

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Dax01 said:
I mean, I think I know why, but why are religious institutions opposed to birth control?
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The religious reason: Thou shalt not spill your seed upon the ground. Back in ancient times people believed sperm held everything needed to make a baby and the woman was just an incubator, ergo wasting sperm was the same as having an abortion. Now we know better but they still maintain this antiquated rule.

The social reason: More babies = more soldiers, more farmhands, more strength. A tribe's power depended on how many people it could send into battle. Combat in those days was meeting on an open field with axes and bows and going at it till one side remained.

The current reason: Being able to have a say over your sex life gives the church control. It doesn't matter if the reason is bollocks, it's still an extra way the church can exert influence therefore it gives them more power.
 
Guileless

Guileless

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Lots of people on here mention they are vexed by friends who push these conspiracy theories. I wish I was, just once, so I could vent the full measure of my indignation on them.
 
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Amir0x

Banned
Tim-E said:
So when our European allies are attacked by their own governments, our armed private citizens, and not our Armed Forces, will be the ones to defend them en masse?
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Seriously! American militia to the rescue!

Link said:
That's where I would simply reply with "I don't send you my fan fiction, please don't send me yours."
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What I actually sent him was a lot more venomous than that! But I doubt it'll reach him in any event
 
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Tim-E

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For anyone interested in political drama/thrillers, David Fincher and Kevin Spacey's new show "House of Cards" is on Netflix and it's pretty entertaining so far.
 
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