TacticalFox88
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We should go the China route. More scientists and engineers in government.
Too many dammed lawyers.
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We should go the China route. More scientists and engineers in government.
Too many dammed lawyers.
Have we talked about this yet?
Romney campaign gave Red Cross donation...a month after the election
fucking LOL
Romney campaign gave Red Cross donation...a month after the election
fucking LOL
Black Mamba
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About 200k jobs added to 2012 tallies, fellas. To go along with this last months' 150k performance.
100k over the last 2 months of the year and 100k the first 3 months based on the 400k revision from april 2011-march 2012.
And this is why I told PD he was wrong about job reports. The reports don't matter, the reality matters. And in reality, the economy was adding jobs at a decent enough pace even if the jobs numbers lagged behind the real figures. edit: Silver predicted 150k as the benchmark for Obama reelection. Obama easily beat it.
And if next year's revisions show we averaged about 200k or more in all of 2012, that will show even to a greater extent why Obama won so easily and people started to feel better about the economy.
There are a lot of good indicators going on right now. Jobs market seems to be back to 200k (or maybe above that by a bit), housing is moving up as is new starts, consumer spending is up along with savings, wages and disposable income is increasing (though not a lot), and auto sales doing well.
People seemed to have balanced their personal budgets and are spending again. The Christmas season would have actually been decent if not for Sandy (the NE cratered).
And this is all the more reason why it is so fucking important that Congress at least delays the damn sequester for the rest of this year. We are turning the corner and only congress can slow it down with austerity,
100k over the last 2 months of the year and 100k the first 3 months based on the 400k revision from april 2011-march 2012.
And this is why I told PD he was wrong about job reports. The reports don't matter, the reality matters. And in reality, the economy was adding jobs at a decent enough pace even if the jobs numbers lagged behind the real figures. edit: Silver predicted 150k as the benchmark for Obama reelection. Obama easily beat it.
And if next year's revisions show we averaged about 200k or more in all of 2012, that will show even to a greater extent why Obama won so easily and people started to feel better about the economy.
There are a lot of good indicators going on right now. Jobs market seems to be back to 200k (or maybe above that by a bit), housing is moving up as is new starts, consumer spending is up along with savings, wages and disposable income is increasing (though not a lot), and auto sales doing well.
People seemed to have balanced their personal budgets and are spending again. The Christmas season would have actually been decent if not for Sandy (the NE cratered).
And this is all the more reason why it is so fucking important that Congress at least delays the damn sequester for the rest of this year. We are turning the corner and only congress can slow it down with austerity,
I don't get it, what's wrong with it?
cartoon_soldier
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Yea I don't either.
TacticalFox88
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Ok?
They probably had leftover money when the campaign ended. I don't see what's wrong with that. Do you think they should have done it as a political move during the campaign? I don't see why this is "LOL" worthy.
Didn't they run a rally after Sandy that was ostensibly a charity event for the Red Cross that the Red Cross didn't have anything to do with? Or something like that.
Escape Goat
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What a monster.
The Librarian
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.Brian. needs to learn the proper usage of the LOL. .Brian., please follow Brian Beutler on Twitter for a quick and easy guide.
PhoenixDark
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No I'm saying when you analyze Bush's numbers do you account for his first January (Jan 2001). Makes no sense to overlook Obama's first January
Black Mamba
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That belongs to Clinton.
The Librarian
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Is this from excess funds or something? Because they should have been paying their staffers instead..
Oh, GREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT.
Harry Reid you goddamn idiot.
speculawyer
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Indeed. Way too damn many lawyers that don't know shit.
I'm mostly an engineer
Too many religious engineers who try to comment on science.
I'm not too pissed off at Reid, to be honest. Not cause this isn't a big deal - it is - but let's be real here. There's quite a few democrats in the senate (Joe Manchin, Claire McCaskill, lookin in your direction) who want to keep the filibuster in place just to provide them cover on certain pieces of legislation.
Aaron Strife
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No, I wouldn't. Clinton was president for the majority of January 2001 so I would count that in his totals.
I'm not overlooking Obama's first January, I'm not counting it in his totals because he was president for 10 days in January while Bush was president for 20.
cooljeanius
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"mostly"?
Carpe Libertatem
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If it wasn't for those Democrats, the Democrats might not have a majority in the Senate (or a slim one).
Filibuster reform probably would've been regretted later, when the Republicans take back the Senate. (and yes I know it's not even serious reform, just making them talk etc)
Aaron Strife
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I'd be okay with republicans being able to take advantage of filibuster reform. They'd be the majority, why shouldn't they?
The Librarian
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Blame doesn't fall on the conservative/liberal line here in Democratic circles. Jon Tester was for the talking filibuster. Carl Levin was against it. Those are some examples.
It's more newer senators vs. older senators.
Elections are supposed to have consequences/benefits. There's no "regretting."
Shadow Hog
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It means he mostly solves practical problems.
That, or maybe he occasionally tackles problems like "what is beauty", despite that falling within the purview of one's conundrums of philosophy.
Wall Street surges to five-year highs; Dow ends above 14,000
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/p-500-posts-biggest-monthly-001324596.html
Obama's making Wall Street rich just so he can tax them!
I feel like we should have a bottom 90% wage ticker instead of that. That, i think, would be a better indication of our nation's economic strength than how well the stock market is doing
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The Autumn Wind
What's the difference? They'll change it the second they're in power anyway.
Carpe Libertatem
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I somehow think your opinion on this might change when they're actually in power and try to push through judicial nominees or legislation you don't like.
This makes no sense. If the Republicans managed to win majorities in both chambers and the Presidency and proceeded to push through legislation you didn't like - and the only thing that could have stopped them was a filibuster, you wouldn't regret changing the rules? (yes I know the filibuster would still be there)
Right now, the only purpose I see for reforming the filibuster would be solely for nominations. The Republicans still control the House. It's not like they're going to suddenly start passing legislation that Democrats will like (even more so if the filibuster is reformed).
They already tried to kill it entirely, and we're only talking about removing the silent filibuster!
speculawyer
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So Wall Street has soared and oil production is up more during Obama's administration than at any time in the last 40 years.
But Obama is a business hating socialist.
Fucking people live on stereotypes more than they do on real facts. I guess that is why is is the lazy Kenyan Muslim socialist.
Reid absolutely must let the Senate actually recess. Obama is now in court fighting for two years of decisions beacause Reid agreed to stay in pro forma session so McConnell could filibuster. It's 100% Reid's fault and the only way he can make up for it now that he's fucked over Dems on the filibuster is to actually recess.
speculawyer
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Yeah, I don't understand those types. At all. Engineers should be scientist types that wanted practical skills to get a job. But some seem to have figured out how to build stuff but still not understand the fundamental science behind the way things work.
I'm both I'm just more Engineer in the way I think and what I do.
The Librarian
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If it's something as vital as, say, privatization of Social Security, I'd scream my head off, but regret changing the rules? No. This is a democracy. If Republicans win an election where they get a majority, they should implement their agenda because that's what the public elected them to do. Now, if the public doesn't like what they do they can hold rallies and call their senator/congressmen.
This makes perfect sense.
Eh? I thought the reason the Senate never recessed is because the House never let them recess.
Reporting at the time led me to believe Reid was accomodating McConnell, who was blocking the motion to recess. Googling some other sources just now, it seems that was only part of the story: McConnell advised the House leadership on how to help him prevent Obama recess appointments, by having them enter pro forma sessions. Thanks for the proceedural correction.
Eh?
The Librarian
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lol, I wouldn't have known either unless I read something about that court opinion to put an end to recess appointments. It's in the Constitution. Neither house can adjourn for more than three days without the approval of the other house.
"Eh" was just another way of me saying "huh?". Did that come off differently than I intended? Haha.
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from 'The Master'
speculawyer
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I wish. I am merely a miserable pile of secrets.
Yeah. Reid receives inordinate blame for the failure of filibuster reform. The fault lies with certain members of the Democratic Caucus. If there were sufficient desire for reform, he would not defy his colleagues. Not that he is irreproachable. He is one of the more prominent senators seemingly bewitched with the damn thing.
empty vessel
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If you want the data, you can download it from the page:
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=f8L
Between 2006 and 2012, there has been a net -60 jobs created in the public sector.
This is a serious problem.
I read some article recently about how the new Egyptian government's STEM background was the reason why they had such a political tin ear.
I can't imagine what the rational was, beyond the all scientists are social incompetents stereotype.
I go to law school
"They mostly come out at night... Mostly." -Newt
Aliens 1986
TheLaughingStock
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Is it possible under the current law/system for a federal program within the government like SS to default independently? I don't really understand how it could happen in isolation.
Under current law, if scheduled benefits exceed SS tax revenues for long enough that the IOUs in the SS trust fund are depleted, benefits would be reduced. Congress would have to specifically take action to allow SS to spend more than SS tax revenues once the trust fund is gone.
CoffeeJanitor
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I switched from science to engineering recently and the difference is massive. Many more religious engineers.
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