I forgot Douglas Schoen was a democrat.
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PoliGAF 2013 |OT1| Never mind, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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andthebeatgoeson
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Never understood this. I still end up coming here when I'm banned. And I waste time thinking of responses, then realizing I can't respond.
Obama Signs Order for $85 Billion in Spending Cuts
http://www.voanews.com/content/obama-signs-order-for-85-billion-in-spending-cuts/1613860.html
NYCmetsfan
Banned
These are flat out lies. How do they go unchallenged? Its not biased to say, "no, you're lying"
Aaron Strife
Banned
But he's not being serious about deficit reduction!
Dr. Pangloss
Member
Went to a used book fair today and got a copy of Robert Caro's The Power Broker. Only $4 and in good condition. I haven't read anything of his, but though I should start on the one about Robert Moses instead of the serial on LBJ.
Jack Remington
Banned
I keep reading a bunch of drivel about how the sequester is Obama's fault because it was his original proposal, or something. To put the sequester blame on Obama, you pretty much have to believe that in the absence of a ridiculous and unnecessary fight over the debt ceiling, Obama and the Democrats would have independently proposed and passed the sequester, which is ridiculous.
It's clear that the blame for the sequester and any economic harm it causes should rest 100% with House Republicans, since the sequester was literally the settlement in a hostage negotiation that they started. Right-wing minds are capable of some gymnastics that would make 14 year old Chinese girls stand in awe.
It's clear that the blame for the sequester and any economic harm it causes should rest 100% with House Republicans, since the sequester was literally the settlement in a hostage negotiation that they started. Right-wing minds are capable of some gymnastics that would make 14 year old Chinese girls stand in awe.
Black Mamba
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Obama deserves some blame for not calling the GOP bluff on the debt ceiling.
Byakuya769
Member
Ah, good times.
Jack Remington
Banned
If I weren't a junior member, I'd make a thread along the lines of: "Conservative GAF: have the debt ceiling and sequester fights made you less supportive of the Republican Party?" or something like that.
Anyone else (Oblivion) feel like making something along those lines?
Anyone else (Oblivion) feel like making something along those lines?
Link
The Autumn Wind
It's sad if those are the reasons anyone has become less supportive of the party. That means they were fine with all the obstruction of the past four years, the blatant racism and sexism, and being ok with letting the lesser off suffer to protect the rich and big business.
Jack Remington
Banned
Yeah, but here you can point to direct consequences of Republican belligerence and economic illiteracy: we lost our AAA credit rating, and a whole bunch of jobs are about to get cut. That's a lot more concrete than the nebulous "racism" that you can just sweep under the rug. Literally the only defense is to defer the blame to Obama and the Democrats, but as I've shown, you can defeat that tactic in two moves.
Black Mamba
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In the republican are clowns portion of today's show...
http://seattlebikeblog.com/2013/03/...not-good-for-the-environment-should-be-taxed/
Not even the onion could come up with this one, right?
http://seattlebikeblog.com/2013/03/...not-good-for-the-environment-should-be-taxed/
Not even the onion could come up with this one, right?
I honestly don't get how Republicans can say the sequester isnt going to be that bad. No, not bad at all, thousands of people will either see their wages or benefits reduced or simply let go. Not a big deal at all of those people who are already struggling struggle some more.
I swear, its as if they completely ignore the individual human element and only focus on the GDP and stock market. Past 40 years, man, look at the GDP and stock market go up! Our economy is doing great! (completely ignores stagnate wages for the middle class and absurd inequality)
I swear, its as if they completely ignore the individual human element and only focus on the GDP and stock market. Past 40 years, man, look at the GDP and stock market go up! Our economy is doing great! (completely ignores stagnate wages for the middle class and absurd inequality)
Aaron Strife
Banned
They'd probably tell them to get a steady job in the private sector, who can afford to keep employees on and hire new ones because they're not constantly under attack by a party opposed to their very existence.
Republicans=Muslims and US Government=Israel?
Oh, real funny.
Aaron Strife
Banned
That analogy would work better the other way around. Israel treats Muslims (well, Palestinians moreso) like dirt, and if they don't like that, well, they should go somewhere else then. Republicans want to cut public sector jobs, and if public workers have a problem with that, they shouldn't have been working in the public sector to begin with.
It'd be more like how the religious right treats gay people. We love you, truly! However, we also want to prevent you from marrying, holding a job or owning a house. If you can't deal with that, then maybe you shouldn't be gay.
Basically they're making it difficult for the sake of advancing an agenda.
ClassyPenguin
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A lot of people think the stock market is the entirety of the economy. Economic ignorance is widespread. Even amongst educated people.
That bill was definitely split.
I love that movie, by the way. It's also better than the book.
teruterubozu
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SNL has been ripping Obama for awhile now. They were pretty ruthless before the elections, actually.
cartoon_soldier
Member
SO Mitt and Ann are still very bitter at losing...LOL
What was the joke?
empty vessel
Member
It's true, he does. But:
That means he has mountains of data showing that higher spending spurs growth.
ClovingWestbrook
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Feelsgoodman
NYCmetsfan
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Any thing interesting on the Sunday Morning shows besides Rodman praising a dictator?
Stephanie Kelton was on Chris Hayes' show. I know several people here are fans.
cartoon_soldier
Member
So this was happening today:
cartoon_soldier
Member
I am trying to find information myself.
It looks like an annual congressional civil rights march.
The picture is Cantor w/ Son with Steny Hoyer w/ daughter
The Edmund Pettus bridge is bloody Sunday bridge from the Selma to Montgomery marches.
Look at those state rights!
NYCmetsfan
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The Edmund Pettus bridge is bloody Sunday bridge from the Selma to Montgomery marches.
Look at those state rights!
That's John Lewis in that pic too. Who the tweet is from.
Also next year is gonna be the 50th anniversary of the Civil Rights act of 64. What a great time for SCOTUS to strike down the voting rights act.
SHOW ME WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION IS SAYS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS THE POWER TO STOP THIS STUFF, STATE RIGHTS! WE MUST ASK REMISSIONS FROM LAWYERS FIRST!
PhoenixDark
Banned
Boynton has been involved with the LaRouche movement since the 80s. Pretty depressing.
NYCmetsfan
Banned
SHOW ME WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION IS SAYS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS THE POWER TO STOP THIS STUFF, STATE RIGHTS! WE MUST ASK REMISSIONS FROM LAWYERS FIRST!
Sad that this kind of stuff still seems to go on.
http://www.salon.com/2013/02/28/ope...ral_candidates_body_found_homicide_suspected/
really? That's weird but its not like it changes the actions of that day and the rest of her life.
PhoenixDark
Banned
That's a ridiculous charge considering we don't know anything about the case yet.
cartoon_soldier
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The Culture Vulture
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Looking for honest takes.....
Considering we haven't had a budget in his administration along with the sequestration, fiscal cliff and all the other self imposed dilmenas; at what point do democrats says this goes behind Republicans are being difficult and acknowledging that Obama isn't a very good leader?
Considering we haven't had a budget in his administration along with the sequestration, fiscal cliff and all the other self imposed dilmenas; at what point do democrats says this goes behind Republicans are being difficult and acknowledging that Obama isn't a very good leader?
Kelton needs to speak up more when she's on these shows.
He's not the greatest, but he's dealing with an unprecedented bunch of fuck heads in the house. They are free to do whatever they want because they gerrymandered the fuck out of their states. They have no fear of losing their seat to anyone except those who are further to the right than them. It is really incredible.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Never, although if he had lost in November the knives would have been out in seconds. The major problem is that republicans will not compromise an inch, that can't be ignored. But it should also be noted that Obama simply is not a leader, isn't good at the inside game, and still doesn't know how to play Washington.
Consider the sequestration. John McCain and Lindsy Graham are on record saying they would support tax revenue in exchange for "entitlement" cuts to replace the sequester; basically they want a grand bargain. Instead of working with them, the WH spends 100% of its time appealing to the GOP leadership (McConnell and Boehner) who have no interest in a deal. A big senate bill with McCain's stamp of approval would pass the senate easily. Boehner would then be forced to put it up for a vote, and with dem support plus less than 20 republican votes it would pass.
I am not saying I support cutting benefits, just acknowledging the political reality that both sides are obsessed with a big deal that cuts the deficit. But it won't happen unless Obama calls up McCain, Graham, and some moderate house republicans to strike a deal. Instead his staff meets with the GOP leadership's staff, they fight, and nothing gets done. Bill Clinton or even Joe Biden could get this done.
750k people will lose their jobs over this shit, for nothing. Given Obama's obsession with history, you'd think he would realize that creating jobs and avoiding a double dip recession look good on a president's resume.
The Librarian
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Please get rid of that avatar now.
James Meredith broke hard right too.
It doesn't bother me, those people did great service to this country at a great personal price, they deserve our gratitude, now it's true, it's not a get out of jail card against any future transgressions, but it's enough to cover "not agreeing with me about general politics".
NYCmetsfan
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True. Maybe that's not the best example but it still does go on. There was a CNN special not too long ago
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