PoliGAF 2013 |OT1| Never mind, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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percephone
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It uses both FYI. Sacre texts of islam include the Torah, the Psalms and the Gospels but the primary book is the qur'an.
CharlieDigital
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Can we blame the current state of Iran on Bush as well?
http://www.pressherald.com/news/nat...ts-iraq-about-iranian-flights_2013-03-25.html
Saddam would net have let this shit happen.
http://www.pressherald.com/news/nat...ts-iraq-about-iranian-flights_2013-03-25.html
Kerry confronts Iraq about Iranian flights
U.S. officials say the planes are being used to arm supporters of the Assad regime in Syria.
BAGHDAD - Just days after the 10th anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry confronted Baghdad for continuing to grant Iran access to its airspace and said Iraq's behavior was raising questions about its reliability as a partner.
Kerry said the plane shipments -- along with materiel being trucked across Iraqi territory from Iran to Syria -- were helping President Bashar Assad's regime cling to power by increasing their ability to strike at Syrian rebels and opposition figures demanding Assad's ouster.
U.S. officials say the planes are being used to arm supporters of the Assad regime in Syria.
BAGHDAD - Just days after the 10th anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry confronted Baghdad for continuing to grant Iran access to its airspace and said Iraq's behavior was raising questions about its reliability as a partner.
Kerry said the plane shipments -- along with materiel being trucked across Iraqi territory from Iran to Syria -- were helping President Bashar Assad's regime cling to power by increasing their ability to strike at Syrian rebels and opposition figures demanding Assad's ouster.
Saddam would net have let this shit happen.
The Librarian
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Republicans are bitching about how ACA contains "20,000 regulations." Well, we wouldn't need so many if we just had Medicare-for-all. But then you guys would just be bitching about socialized medicine. And government takeover of healthcare.
Well, they're already doing that. You can't win with these people.
Well, they're already doing that. You can't win with these people.
Definitely not.
Saddam may have been an oppressive dictator, but there was some semblance of law and order in Iraq under him.
Our invasion of Iraq completely destabilized the country (and the region, since it empowered Iran and their influence in Syria)
Plinko
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I love how regulations are a bad thing.
Every time they bring this up any democrat should just point to a giant scoreboard that says "Banking deregulation caused the financial crash."
Problem is that a lot of conservatives/republicans don't believe that's what caused the financial crash. In fact some blame it on regulations... yeah...
Clearly only the free market can solve this problem. Because old/poor sick people in need of expensive medical care is a lucrative market that the goverment and regulations just interfere with. Or something.
I think their primary objection is that the ACA dares to focus on those without care; too much help for those 47% freeloaders.
googleplex
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He people that tend to get disappointed in Obama are the ones with unrealistic expectations in the first place.
Aaron Strife
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Look, if you get sick, you die. That's how it was 500 years ago and that's how it should be today!
cooljeanius
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So apparently Michele Bachmann is facing a House Ethics Probe: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-probe-adds-to-bachmann-s-political-woes.html
The Technomancer
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Black Republican
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i see Kennedy iis being mentioned as the swing vote again just like with Obamacare even though he wanted the whole thing gone lol. But atleast this time he has some gay rights history. Maybe 6-3 on both Doma and Prop 8?
If we're lucky this and Fox will put each other out of business.
GenocidalMarshmallow
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If any of you want to learn more about forensic evidence and how innocent people are often put in jail, I strongly recommend you watch this:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/real-csi/
Basically people in jail often don't belong there. There are many innocents there and the ignorant belief that everyone in jail deserves to be there is stupid. Forensic evidence and "expert" testimony is shaky at best.
It doesn't help that the past few decades we've been trying to crack down and be tough on crime. It hasn't worked. Our jails are overcrowded, filled with mostly non violent drug offenders. Privatization is a huge problem. We're spending more on them than schools. The death penalty has not been proven to deter crime. Rehabilitation would be so much more useful. We isolate people, take away their humanity, treat them like animals, we release them and we wonder why they act like animals and go back to a life of crime.
The stigma attached to this is unbelievable, they can't get jobs and they need money so they resort to going back to deviance.
Politicians need to learn to listen to experts like criminologists and not give in to the fear of the people that demand we crack down on crime. They want votes, obviously, but the best way to change things is to speak on this subject and educate the people.
Of course, as long as people are ignorant enough to believe Fox News, they'll believe all criminals are evil people out to harm they and they should be forever isolated from society. We've come a long way from the Middle Ages, but we have a long road ahead of us to catch up with the rest of the industrial world, i.e. Europe.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/real-csi/
Basically people in jail often don't belong there. There are many innocents there and the ignorant belief that everyone in jail deserves to be there is stupid. Forensic evidence and "expert" testimony is shaky at best.
It doesn't help that the past few decades we've been trying to crack down and be tough on crime. It hasn't worked. Our jails are overcrowded, filled with mostly non violent drug offenders. Privatization is a huge problem. We're spending more on them than schools. The death penalty has not been proven to deter crime. Rehabilitation would be so much more useful. We isolate people, take away their humanity, treat them like animals, we release them and we wonder why they act like animals and go back to a life of crime.
The stigma attached to this is unbelievable, they can't get jobs and they need money so they resort to going back to deviance.
Politicians need to learn to listen to experts like criminologists and not give in to the fear of the people that demand we crack down on crime. They want votes, obviously, but the best way to change things is to speak on this subject and educate the people.
Of course, as long as people are ignorant enough to believe Fox News, they'll believe all criminals are evil people out to harm they and they should be forever isolated from society. We've come a long way from the Middle Ages, but we have a long road ahead of us to catch up with the rest of the industrial world, i.e. Europe.
I am going to go cry in a corner now...
RustyNails
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Sadly, she will use this opportunity to raise money by saying the federal government is out to silence her because she speaks the truth on creeping Shariah courts and Obama's secret pact with Rasputin's cabal.
I don't know, people I talk to almost universally are pretty disturbed when they find out that private prisons exist, liberal or conservative. I've talked to one racist libertarian I know who didn't care, but every other conservative or liberal I've met thought it was nuts. The problem is most people just have never heard of it.
rocketknight
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My state hasn't accepted the expansion, but using the governor's own numbers, after three years the state would be paying $250 per person per year to give 400,000 currently uninsured people health care. This, we are told, is unaffordable. Seems like a steal to me :/
Link
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CNN: Congresswoman, do you care to comment about the recent ethics probe being launched against you?
Bachmann: [running away] Four Americans DIED!!
speculawyer
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Yeah, that is what I instantly thought. The victim card is her stock in trade. This is obviously the authoritarian Obama administration persecuting her for her Christian views. Send $25 now to help Michelle fight against that evil Obama . . .
speculawyer
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Yeah, the practice should be banned. All business obsess over one thing . . . how to grow their market. And we absolutely do not want to have anyone out there with the incentive of growing the prison population. We have already had cases of judges being bribed to throw more kids into Juvi because it benefited a private Juvi business.
And this is not just a corporate problem. Correctional worker unions have pushed policies to ensure that prison populations grow. They should be banned from advocating such things.
speculawyer
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Another nail in the coffin for the political future of Governor Ultrasound McDonnell.
PhoenixDark
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Warner is up for re-election next year but is basically untouchable in Virginia so it won't matter. I had heard he wasn't enjoying his time in the senate though, and considered running for governor again.
He'd be a good VP for Hillary.
He'd be a good VP for Hillary.
yea, the SC is going to kill DOMA and Prop 8. How widely the language is on the Prop 8 case will be the big factor, but its pretty clear all these politicians feel this is the way the SC will rule, and feel its safe/beneficial to come out on the "winning" side
Fun fact: Only 15 congressional Democrats remain publicly opposed to marriage equality (5 senators, 10 congressmen)... but let's see where that is at the end of the day.
Oh, and they're all men.
Aaron Strife
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I hope she gets fucking indicted. She's an embarrassment to my state. Jim Graves' loss was the one blemish on an otherwise perfect night.
The irony of all this is she and her supporters run their campaigns explicitly on battling corruption in Washington when they're worse than even the most corrupt Democrats (I'm not going to defend Charlie Rangel or Bill Jefferson).
TacticalFox88
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When Prop 8 and DOMA are overturned, my eyes will be GLUED to Fox News and Twitter.
Oh god, the tears will be glorious!
Oh god, the tears will be glorious!
speculawyer
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Man, if John Roberts provides the 5th vote they'll be calling for his hanging. But Kennedy wrote the opinion in Lawrence v. Texas so perhaps Roberts will provide the 6th vote (or will be in the minority).
TacticalFox88
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Or Scalia is the 5th vote.
He was trolling the right-wing for thirty plus years to sieze this big moment. :O
Rocket Scientist
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I'm really curious to see what the defense lawyers have cooked up. Honestly can't see what kind of legitimate arguments one could offer. Guess it's easy money for them, just repeat some of the crazy things conservatives want you to say.
Y'all see that Roberts' lesbian cousin and her girlfriend are going to be in the audience for the oral arguments on the two cases? He didn't invite them, so he's not tipping his hand quite that obviously, but it's going to be hard for him to go against gay marriage with her staring him down the whole time. Plus imagine every Christmas and Thanksgiving from now til he dies.
Definitely past the tipping point on Marriage Equality.
Most important thing will be how broadly SC rules against Prop 8.
EDIT: also clear that all the major political announcements of support (including Obama's) were post tipping point, but it is not clear (to me at least) when that was.
Sometime between Jun 2008 and June 2012
Most important thing will be how broadly SC rules against Prop 8.
EDIT: also clear that all the major political announcements of support (including Obama's) were post tipping point, but it is not clear (to me at least) when that was.
Sometime between Jun 2008 and June 2012
The prop 8 argument is pretty well-established, I think: GLBT isn't a suspect class, therefore rational basis applies, and the government has an interest in encouraging heterosexual sex to perpetuate the species. Now obviously this position is full of holes, but it is at least some kind of argument.
On the other hand, considering that, it occurs to me that SCOTUS may find GLBT a suspect class as part of the ruling, which would be almost as big news as legalizing marriage. So that'll be interesting to watch.
Tipping point is past us. The SC would rule against it, or rule decidedly for a "separate but equal" domestic partnership status if it where not.
Roberts cares about legacy (thank god)
EDIT: jeebus save me! They are calling learning a family member is gay, then reevaluating support for SSM "the Portman Effect" on CNN
EDIT 2: electric boogaloo
There is still a TON of work to be done. It is still legal in 29 states for an employer to fire you for being gay.
Aaron Strife
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Too bad they're retiring.
So glad a policy is only acceptable when a Republican supports it. Fucking garbage. The media were co-conspirators in sinking Kerry in 04 over this bullshit.sc0la said:EDIT: jeebus save me! They are calling learning a family member is gay, then reevaluating support for SSM "the Portman Effect" on CNN
CoffeeJanitor
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Everyones getting in before the shit hits the fan, lol
RustyNails
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I wonder how much that GOP intern got over coming up with ridiculous term at CNN.
TacticalFox88
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As Supreme Court reviews DOMA, military’s same-sex couples draw attention to unequal treatment
Shameful. Gay partners aren't given base housing, and I'm sure if their military partner had to live in a base overseas like Japan or Korea, the amount of housing assistance living off base would still only be set for a single service member. I don't even think gay spouses can get an ID card for an overseas base, like a regular dependent (ex: me) can. DOMA is bonkers, but we all know that.
Shameful. Gay partners aren't given base housing, and I'm sure if their military partner had to live in a base overseas like Japan or Korea, the amount of housing assistance living off base would still only be set for a single service member. I don't even think gay spouses can get an ID card for an overseas base, like a regular dependent (ex: me) can. DOMA is bonkers, but we all know that.
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