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PoliGAF 2013 |OT2| Worth 77% of OT1

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empty vessel

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jamesinclair said:
What should bother you are his dangerous transportation plans
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I don't know anything about them (nor do I need to, as I'm not a New Yorker), but I agree that substantive policy positions--and the willingness to carry them through or fight against them--is what matters. But transportation is one policy among many, and if the alternative is worse, bad transportation policy alone wouldn't stop me from voting for somebody.
 
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RALEIGH, N.C. — North Carolina lawmakers have approved a bill greatly expanding where concealed handguns are legally allowed.

The Republican-backed bill approved by both the House and Senate on Tuesday allows concealed-carry permit holders to take firearms into bars and restaurants and other places where alcohol is served as long as the owner doesn’t expressly forbid it.[
The measure will also allow concealed-carry permit holders to store weapons in locked cars on the campus of any public school or university. Guns will also now be allowed on greenways, playgrounds and other public recreation areas.

The final bill dropped a controversial provision that would have repealed the long-standing law requiring a background check and permit issued by county sheriffs for handgun purchases.

The measure now heads to Republican Gov. Pat McCrory’s desk.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...f4c3d4-f3fc-11e2-81fa-8e83b3864c36_story.html

Guns in a bar? What could go wrong?

What the fucking fuck, North Carolina...
 
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jamesinclair

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empty vessel said:
I don't know anything about them (nor do I need to, as I'm not a New Yorker), but I agree that substantive policy positions--and the willingness to carry them through or fight against them--is what matters. But transportation is one policy among many, and if the alternative is worse, bad transportation policy alone wouldn't stop me from voting for somebody.
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In nyc, transportation policy is more critical than in most cities, and is an area the mayor has strong control.

Personal stuff is important though. Being such a fuckup makes it very hard to be taken seriously at the bargaining table
 
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PhoenixDark

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I liked Weiner as a congressman, and I think he could be a good mayor. I want to see whether he actually plans on clashing with the NYPD on stop-and-frisk among other things.
 
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Ugh, Bill O' said that any legal immigrant that overstays their VISAs should be fined $50,000 and/or spend 6 months in prison.
 
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After posting a picture of a large pistol on his Facebook page last week, Missouri state Senate Majority Whip Brian Nieves (R-Washington) engaged in a long exchange about abortion in the comment section, in which he said abortions to save the life of the mother are actually just "a matter of convenience."

Nieves asked one of the commenters who was offended by the gun photo if he supports "partial-birth abortions" -- a political term used to describe the "dilation and extraction" abortion procedure that is used rarely in the third trimester.

When the commenter replied that late-term abortions "are almost entirely due to complications in the third trimester that would effect the life of the mother," Nieves replied, "Really? Didn't you say you have an advanced degree? Your statement about 'Life of the Mother' is one of the most common yet kindergarten ways of proving that you don't even know what a partial birth abortion is!!"

The commenter then listed some medical conditions that may develop late in the pregnancy and influence a woman's decision to abort, including heart failure, severe or uncontrollable diabetes, serious renal disease, hypertension, and severe fetal deformities. He also included other reasons women may seek abortions later in a pregnancy, including an inability to afford an abortion in the first trimester and an inability to locate medical assistance.

To that, Nieves replied, "'Life of the Mother?' Your own argument proves it is a matter of convenience!"

Nieves is not the first Republican lawmaker to claim that women never need abortions to save their lives. Former U.S. Rep. Joe Walsh (R-Ill.) said last October that there should be no abortion exception for the "life of the mother" because "with modern technology and science, you can't find one instance" in which a woman would actually die. "And as far as health of the mother, same thing," Walsh continued.

Of course, there could be many medical reasons for a woman to need to terminate her pregnancy in order to protect her life or health, but the most common is an ectopic pregnancy. Ectopic pregnancies, or pregnancies that occur outside the uterus, are a life-threatening condition that occur in one in every 40 to one in every 100 pregnancies, according to the National Institutes of Health.

Nieves' office did not respond to HuffPost's request for comment.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/23/brian-nieves_n_3640587.html?ref=topbar

These people won't stop talking about it. Keep it coming, GOP. Crazy train ain't full yet.
 
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My fiancee, someone about as averse to politics as I am to her changing her hair styles, chimed in on the Weiner sexting:

"Have you seen the news abt Weiners sexting problem?"

"Yeah, that guy is a grade a Clown"

"His wife was standing next to him saying he is a better man and they'll get thru it together...

"My husbands a$$ would be out of the door if he repeatedly sexted women, wth??"

:lol
 
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jamesinclair

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thcsquad said:
Dangerous? Ineffective, maybe, but I don't think adding a Bronx ferry is dangerous.

http://secondavenuesagas.com/2013/05/22/on-candidate-weiners-lackluster-transportation-plan/
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" There is nothing about safe streets. DOT and its ability to dictate bus lanes and speed up the Select Bus Service rollout is roundly ignored. The only nod to congestion pricing is to call it “dead,” and East River Bridge tolls garner nary a mention. Weiner proposes smart parking meters and thinking hard about stemming truck traffic in the form of a “renewed focus” as ways to improve traffic flaw in the city."

Nothing for buses
Nothing on fares
Nothing on improved subway service

He wants to remove bike lanes
He wants to spend money on ferries to get the rich to their rich jobs

So yes, ineffective and dangerous.
 
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thcsquad

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jamesinclair said:
" There is nothing about safe streets. DOT and its ability to dictate bus lanes and speed up the Select Bus Service rollout is roundly ignored. The only nod to congestion pricing is to call it “dead,” and East River Bridge tolls garner nary a mention. Weiner proposes smart parking meters and thinking hard about stemming truck traffic in the form of a “renewed focus” as ways to improve traffic flaw in the city."

Nothing for buses
Nothing on fares
Nothing on improved subway service

He wants to remove bike lanes
He wants to spend money on ferries to get the rich to their rich jobs

So yes, ineffective and dangerous.
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The bike lanes comment was a joke:
http://www.wnyc.org/blogs/transportation-nation/2013/may/23/nyc-mayoral-candidate-weiner/
 
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jamesinclair

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thcsquad said:
The bike lanes comment was a joke:
http://www.wnyc.org/blogs/transportation-nation/2013/may/23/nyc-mayoral-candidate-weiner/
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Look at what you provided - he stated the ribbon cutting ceremonies part was a joke, not the removal.

Brian pressed him on bike lanes. "Are there any you would take out?" he asked. "Prospect Park West?"

"I don't like the bike lane on Prospect Park West," Weiner said, "I reserve the right to do things and policies and propose things -- again, I'm not getting wrecking crews out or ribbon cuttings started -- you know, I've not been a fan of that one, but I understand people are and I'm not looking to relitigate every bike lane in the city."
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dramatis said:
To be fair there are people in NYC who hate the bike lanes. My mom doesn't bike OR drive but because of people calling in on Chinese radio complaining about the bike lanes, she thought they were horrible and congested traffic.
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There are people everywhere who hate something.

But facts are more important than knee-jerk reactions, especially when it comes to policy. Bike lanes have reduced congestion, not increased it. Policies like pedestrianizing times square have actually made auto trips faster.

Theyve also drastically increased safety, but cyclists and pedestrians.

Month after month the stats come in and its all the same - safer streets, no added congestion.

The fact that Weiner will ignore those studies because some knee-jerk campaign contributor isnt able to idle his limo is dangerous.
 
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Bishop E.W. Jackson Jr., the Republican nominee for Virginia Lt. Governor, suggested in a radio interview Tuesday that African Americans’ sexuality is to blame for urban violence.
Asked about President Obama’s remarks on the nation’s divisions in light of the George Zimmerman verdict, Jackson blasted Obama for “racializing” the real problem. Though asked about how as Lt. Governor he would stem violence, he responded by attacking sex.

JACKSON: The first thing I’m doing, I do know, which is to say that I prefer “Americans of African decent.” I think we have got to stop balkanizing ourselves and racializing ourselves and first of all start thinking of ourselves as Americans, see these problems as American problems, not as black problems or white problems, but American problems and come together and work on them. I certainly intend to go into these communities where at risk youth are — I’ve been doing it all my life in ministry — and talk to them about the need for being married before you bear children. Stop treating your bodies as sexual objects. For men, to stay in the home and raise the children that they father. But this is not a short-term, wave your wand solution. We can’t solve this overnight. But we’ve got to begin to rebuild the family because in my view, that’s where the problem really lies.
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Jackson has made his opposition to people acknowledging their ethnic and racial identities — which he derides as “the hyphenated American” — a frequent message dating back at least to 2009.

But while conversations about the importance of responsible parenthood are legitimate, Jackson’s suggestion that “Americans of African decent” or any at-risk youth are somehow inviting violence because of their sexuality feeds into a dangerous “blame the victim” perception.

Last month, Jackson suggested that the Great Society programs that helped lift millions of the nation’s poorest and oldest Americans out of extreme poverty, had been worse for Black families than slavery.
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Da fuq?
 
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Wilsongt said:
I have never, ever seen a batch of people as ignorant as the current batch of Republicans, and I teach college freshmen.
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I certainly wouldn't want extremist librul teachers like you indoctrinating young adult minds with your dangerous views. First Derek Black, then who's next?
 
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PhoenixDark

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The frustrating thing is that they can say this shit and nothing will happen. Steven King made an undeniably racist comment yesterday and won't be punished because his district agrees with him. Sure EW Jackson is going to lose badly, but those who aren't running state-wide will continue to benefit from lily white, super conservative gerrymandered districts.
 
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TacticalFox88

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"We have bridges old enough to qualify for Medicare."

Goddamn.
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Sends a pretty clear message: Dems care more about middle class. Largely unanswered by GOP.
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Thought this hit on something about Obama's speech.

The two parties are divided between a party that's exclusively for "business" and another that's about the "middle class," "buisness," etc. Go back and listen to Republican vs. Democratic speeches its quite stark

(Yes I know the Democrats support businesses but not exclusively like republicans, see Minimum Wage Rise, Pushing for a Public Option, attempts at Wall Street reform)
 
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el retorno said:
nothing will change. my guess is he's trying this push so their august recess is fun
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Agreed. Good speech, some interesting ideas, but I doubt much will be addressed. The home refinancing idea (Romney's), could fly in the senate though, we'll see.

I want to see the college plan he hyped. A lot of this sounds like stuff that I wanted to see when democrats had a super majority and the House.
 
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