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PhoenixDark

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WASHINGTON — Estimates from 19 states operating health insurance exchanges to help the uninsured find coverage show that at least 8.5 million will use the exchanges to buy insurance, a USA TODAY survey shows. That would far outstrip the federal government's estimate of 7 million new customers for all 50 states under the 2010 health care law.

STORY: States readying their push to get people insured

USA TODAY contacted the 50 states, and 19 had estimates for how many of their uninsured residents they expect will buy through the exchanges. About 48 million Americans were uninsured in 2011, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

"For the most part, that's a very good thing," said Paul Ginsburg, president of the Center for Studying Health System Change. "First, these are people who need health insurance. And second, the scenario that only sick people will enroll is less likely."

Under the law, also known as the Affordable Care Act, people without health insurance provided by their employers, the government or their parents will have to buy insurance on the exchanges, which are websites where they can compare prices and choose policies. They will pay a fine if they decline to buy the insurance.

To stay financially viable, insurers need healthy people to help round out the costs of those with chronic conditions. The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office did its own research to determine 7 million people would enroll for the 2014 exchanges.

California alone said it expected to sign up 5.3 million people.

"I am not aware of any enrollment expectations that may have been set," said Melissa Fox, a spokeswoman for the Pennsylvania Insurance Department. Pennsylvania is allowing the federal government to create its exchange.

To diversify the health of the pool, the Department of Health and Human Services has targeted three states where half of uninsured people ages 18 to 35 live: Texas, Florida and California.

The states said they made their estimates based on how many individuals are uninsured and aren't likely to become insured by an employer, what insurers in their states expect and conversations with HHS about reasonable goals.

"It's not a positive development for the Republican opponents who would like to see this fail," Ginsburg said. "But it's still very early in the process."

Opponents of the law say 7 million new people will buy insurance, but they may be the wrong people to keep costs down. "They could sign up 7 million sick people," said Michael Cannon, director of health policy studies for the Cato Institute, a libertarian think-tank opposed to the law. "It will be hard to sign 7 million that are healthy."

It's also possible that many new insurance customers may simply shift from getting insurance through employers who drop their health insurance coverage when they realize their employees can buy affordable insurance on the exchanges, said Ed Haislmaier, senior research fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation. According to the CBO, 2 million fewer people may receive their insurance through their employers in 2014.

Ginsburg said more people may sign up for the exchanges because not all of the states are expanding Medicaid to adults who make less than 137% of the federal poverty level. Adults in that category who make at least 100% of the federal poverty level are eligible for subsidies through the exchanges.

"Having a target and having a metric to reach that target is important," HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told USA TODAY. "I'm optimistic we'll have millions of people sign up. We've been working a long time on this." Last week, Sebelius announced $67 million in grants to groups across the country that will spread the word to potential insurance customers about the law and the exchanges.

The open enrollment for new insurance customers in the exchanges starts Oct. 1 and ends March 31, 2014. States either created their own exchanges, have a partnership exchange with the federal government or defaulted and had the federal government created an exchange for them.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...h-care-law-uninsured-estimates-obama/2671489/

So far so good. Just gotta see how many of those people are young/healthy. That's going to ensure this law either lives or dies.
 
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kehs

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So what's the opposite of humility?

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Why is obama honoring the undefeated dolphins?
 
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ivysaur12

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Oh lawd

Scalia: Court shouldn’t ‘invent new minorities’


“It’s not up to the courts to invent new minorities that get special protections,” Scalia said to the audience at a Federalist Society event in Bozeman, Mt., presumably talking about the Court’s recent rulings on marriage equality.

When the Court ruled against the Defense of Marriage Act, which had prohibited married couples from receiving federal marriage benefits, Scalia wrote a scathing dissent, in which made a similar argument.

“We have no power to decide this case,” Scalia wrote. “And even if we did, we have no power under the Constitution to invalidate this democratically adopted legislation. The Court’s errors on both points spring forth from the same diseased root: an exalted conception of the role of this institution in America.”

Scalia also noted during Monday’s address to the Federalist Society that while changes were made to the Constitution to give greater civil rights to minorities and voting rights to women, that the court shouldn’t operate that way today, according to the AP’s account.
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jamesinclair

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You know what blew my mind today?

Bloomberg is 71.

And he wanted Ray Kelly to run for mayor (barf, barf).

Also 71.

What is it with these old people? Why can't they look their age and find a rocking chair?
 
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NYCmetsfan

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Oblivion said:
Was reading this depressing article on what Republicans have done to North Carolina:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-18/north-carolina-takes-perilous-lurch-to-the-right.html

Pretty insane how NC went from the least dumb southern state to being indistinguishable with the other Carolina.
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On taxes, the Republicans cut the corporate rate, ended the progressive personal income tax and eliminated the estate tax, which affected, on average, fewer than 75 families annually and will cost the state $300 million in lost revenue over the next five years. The legislature also decided not to continue the earned income-tax credit for the working poor.
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This is literally the NC GOP saying Screw you, got mine.

The governor said he has headed off some right-wing moves, vetoing a bill subjecting welfare recipients to drug tests and killing a measure that would have created an official state religion.
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That makes up for everything else.

And this is LOL worthy
Goodnight, he said, is a Democrat.
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Yet, Goodnight points out she’s a registered Republican.
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reggieandTFE

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ivysaur12 said:
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=519287BD-9F82-49B9-9627-C63FE5C04C1C



Do I laugh? I'm really not sure.
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I'm as pro Home and Community Based Service (HCBS) funding as anyone on this board is likely to be, but FUCK those community advocates who are worried about highlighting the inconsistencies of the Perry machine rhetoric when it comes to the ACA. I'm sick and tired of being from a "liberal" state that is constantly attacked by right-wing governors who spend taxpayer money trying to "steal" jobs from here while we're paying for the minuscule social services they deliver so that their old people and "retards" don't starve in the street.
 
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“Long before Obamacare was forced on the American people, Texas was implementing policies to provide those with intellectual disabilities more community options to enable them to live more independent lives, at a lower cost to taxpayers,” the statement read. “The Texas Health and Human Services Commission will continue to move forward with these policies because they are right for our citizens and our state, regardless of whatever funding schemes may be found in Obamacare.”
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Huh? This makes no sense. Even if you thought the community whatever thing was good and that you've been doing it before Obamacare was in place, that doesn't take away the fact that you douchebag hide is taking money from the federal government from the same program you've been shitting on.
 
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PhoenixPause said:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...h-care-law-uninsured-estimates-obama/2671489/

So far so good. Just gotta see how many of those people are young/healthy. That's going to ensure this law either lives or dies.
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If this does happen and over 8 million people get insurance, almost half being young people, which far outgains the Admin's desires, the GOP is going to look so foolish again. They're down to so little actual arguments already, too.

Regarding Cruz and birthers, apparently the true birthers are turning on Cruz.

But don't take our word for it. Orly Taitz, long known as the Birther Queen, wove these two issues together seamlessly when we spoke to her about Cruz. Some people in Congress, Taitz said, are "pushing this huge amnesty" bill, which would offer a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants that she says will cost Americans jobs. "They're saying, 'Trust us, we'll check E-Verify,'" Taitz says, "but they're failing to address the issue that Obama failed E-Verify."

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"With Ted Cruz we have similar issues as we do have with Barack Obama," Taitz told us. She's focused on two problems: verifying the documents, and dual citizenship. Even if you believe President Obama's birth certificate and Social Security number are genuine — Taitz does not — you still haven't settled the problem of dual citizenship, she says. Obama's father wasn't an American citizen, therefore, she claims, Obama was also a British citizen at birth, and a Kenyan citizen at age 2. "There has been no decision by a court about whether someone who was a dual citizen at birth, and has split allegiance, is eligible" to be president, Taitz says. And that goes for Ted Cruz. Renounce his Canadian citizenship? So what? "How did he gain his American citizenship? He wasn't born in the United States of America… He inherited his citizenship from his mother. But at the same time his father was a citizen of Cuba."

Further, she asks, "If you renounce your foreign citizenship, is it enough?" She floats the idea of a Muslim Brotherhood member born in the U.S. with dual citizenship in a place like Iraq, who traveled to Iraq for some time and then came back the U.S. and renounced his Iraqi citizenship. Would that be good enough?
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And from some random birther commentators:

Not unusual to be born in a foreign country and have dual citizenship as my self, my daughter, Senator McCain etc etc. but to not realize and only denounce it when it becomes public knowledge seems disingenuous or display of ignorance. I would now move to investigate if he took advantage of Canadian banking laws.
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My own personal opinion is that Cruz should not be taken seriously. I am forever baffled how these clowns create controversy in an effort to get themselves talked about. He does not qualify to be president in my opinion. The fathers of the constitution made that pretty clear in the language of the time. It is only sleeze-bag lawyers of today that want to make an issue of it.
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Here is a freep thread, some do not support Cruz as a naturally born citizen: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3056520/posts?page=13#13

lolz. This is what happens when you play with fire.
 
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Wilsongt

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When people say they regret their choice of electing Obama in 2008... I think these people fail to realize that Obama has been working with things stacked against him since 2010 and has been unable to effectively be a good president.
 
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jamesinclair

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Wilsongt said:
When people say they regret their choice of electing Obama in 2008... I think these people fail to realize that Obama has been working with things stacked against him since 2010 and has been unable to effectively be a good president.
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I didnt realize the GOP was forcing him to destroy civil liberties. Poor Obama.
 
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GhaleonEB

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jamesinclair said:
I didnt realize the GOP was forcing him to destroy civil liberties. Poor Obama.
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Obama has been a major disappointment on civil liberties. But I think he was clearly referring to things the President needs Congress for, namely social and economic policy. The GOP set a strategy of pure obstructionism, and it's stymied the economy severely since they took power in 2010.

Obama made his own mistakes along the way, but the overwhelming share of the responsibility lies with the GOP.
 
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jamesinclair

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GhaleonEB said:
Obama has been a major disappointment on civil liberties. But I think he was clearly referring to things the President needs Congress for, namely social and economic policy. The GOP set a strategy of pure obstructionism, and it's stymied the economy severely since they took power in 2010.

Obama made his own mistakes along the way, but the overwhelming share of the responsibility lies with the GOP.
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And you know for a fact people regret their vote because they incorrectly attribute gop obstructionism to Obama, rather than correctly pinning the nsa crimes on him?
 
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PhoenixDark

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Only one in four young American adults are aware of the online health insurance marketplaces that will open on Oct. 1 as part of the federal health care reform law, according to a report released Wednesday.

In a survey of adults ages 19 to 29 by the non-profit nonpartisan Commonwealth Fund, just 27 percent said they knew they would be able to purchase insurance on the marketplaces, also known as exchanges, starting Oct. 1.

The young adult population has been the focal point of the Obama administration’s campaign to promote the marketplaces. The White House has said that it wants to enroll 2.7 million people ages 18 to 35 in the exchanges by next year; 7 million people in total are expected to sign up for health coverage.

The new report underlines the challenge that the administration faces in reaching that population.

They’re trying everything: the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services announced Monday that it was launching a video contest, in tandem with the pro-reform group Young Invincibles, to publicize the new coverage options under the law. The department also awarded last week nearly $70 million in grants to “navigators,” groups that will help the uninsured get covered under the law.

It should theoretically be pretty easy to make the case for coverage to young people. According to a June 2013 survey from the Kaiser Family Foundation, roughly three in four Americans ages 18 to 30 said insurance is something that they need.

But the White House also needs to get young and healthy people enrolled in coverage to make the law work financially. The Affordable Care Act prevents insurers from discriminating against sick and older people who want to get insured, a population that is likely to cost insurers more, so companies need young and healthy people to pay into the system to offset that new spending.

If they don’t, and costs go up for insurers, those costs will be passed onto their customers, driving up the overall price of insurance.
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http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...ung-adults-know-about-obamacare-exchanges.php

Why the administration waited so long to discuss October 1st exchange open baffles me. I work with insurance, and we tend to be advised to inform patients of insurance changes a year in advance.
 
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PhoenixDark

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KingGondo said:
Communication is such a weak point of this administration. Extremely disappointing, especially considering how lauded Obama was for his eloquence in 2008.
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On one hand you have a nonstop misinformation and outrage machine, largely focused on mediums that directly impact middle aged and older Americans (radio, email, Fox News).

The White House has Hollywood, athletes, a literal army of tech gurus...and still can't control the message on this or anything else. How is there no one in the White House advocating the use viral videos like this to help sell or explain shit. Or, you know, get Obama on the Daily Show to sell this directly to young people.

It's like a repeat of the Obamacare fight, where the White House literally sat back and let republicans smear the law until Obama decided to go on a townhall trip; but by then the public was thoroughly confused, and they still are.

If anything the last 5 years have shown that he's really not that good at communicating when compared to someone like Bill Clinton.
 
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Snake

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PhoenixPause said:
If anything the last 5 years have shown that he's really not that good at communicating when compared to someone like Bill Clinton.
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And yet, when he was President, Clinton "communicated" little beyond his own personal political popularity (something that Obama has done well enough himself). The crazies dominated much of the discussion in the 90s just as they do today, and Clinton conceded to them even more with even less to show for it at the end of his term.

Meanwhile Obama is implementing major healthcare legislation that will affect millions of Americans in an age of increasingly de-centralized and self-chosen communication, as opposed to Clinton who failed the communications game entirely and gave up on healthcare.
 
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Aaron Strife

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Snake said:
And yet, when he was President, Clinton "communicated" little beyond his own personal political popularity (something that Obama has done well enough himself). The crazies dominated much of the discussion in the 90s just as they do today, and Clinton conceded to them even more with even less to show for it at the end of his term.

Meanwhile Obama is implementing major healthcare legislation that will effect millions of Americans in an age of increasingly de-centralized and self-chosen communication, as opposed to Clinton who failed the communications game entirely and gave up on healthcare.
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Yeah, let's not forget Clinton's entire strategy after Republicans won the House was to simply take the more sensible Republican positions and rebrand them as his own. His major accomplishments in the Gingrich era all have a decidedly conservative bent (welfare reform, repealing Glass-Stegall)
 
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Oblivion

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Snake said:
And yet, when he was President, Clinton "communicated" little beyond his own personal political popularity (something that Obama has done well enough himself). The crazies dominated much of the discussion in the 90s just as they do today, and Clinton conceded to them even more with even less to show for it at the end of his term.

Meanwhile Obama is implementing major healthcare legislation that will effect millions of Americans in an age of increasingly de-centralized and self-chosen communication, as opposed to Clinton who failed the communications game entirely and gave up on healthcare.
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True dat. I give Obama a lot of shit, but oddly enough, he hasn't caved into the crazies nearly as much as Clinton did. Hell, Clinton almost seemed thrilled to get a chance to "appeal to the center".
 
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GhaleonEB

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jamesinclair said:
And you know for a fact people regret their vote because they incorrectly attribute gop obstructionism to Obama, rather than correctly pinning the nsa crimes on him?
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I feel comfortable with the assertion that the degree of GOP obstructionism is not fully understood by the American public, yes. We've had a lot of polling over the course of Obama's first term, and it showed that pretty clearly. Civil liberties are incredibly important to you (good!) but I think you are ascribing your priorities to the public here. The economy and jobs loom large, and those are the areas where the GOP have the greatest ability to obstruct and sabotage.

How many people know that the Senate has passed a budget, but the Senate GOP are filibustering to prevent a House-Senate conference from taking place, and that this is the reason we have to have another CR? Probably relatively few.
 
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Remember when Bobby Jindal was going to be the "Republican Obama"? Well...

Three years ago in August PPP declared Bobby Jindal to be the most popular Governor in the country. 58% of voters approved of him to only 34% who disapproved. Jindal's fortunes have seen an amazing shift since that time though, and our newest poll finds him to be the most unpopular Republican Governor of any state- and the second most unpopular Governor in the country overall.

Just 28% of voters now approve of Jindal to 59% who disapprove. That's an 11 point decline in his net approval just since February when he was already at a poor 37/57 standing. Even Republicans are pretty divided on Jindal (43/42) while independents (35/45) and Democrats (14/78) generally give him poor marks.

Jindal's White House prospects are dismal if his home state voters have anything to say about it. Just 17% of Louisianans think he should run for President in 2016 to 72% who believe he should sit it out. He ties for 4th among Republican primary voters as their top choice for their 2016 candidate- Rand Paul leads with 18% to 17% for Jeb Bush, 11% for Paul Ryan, 10% for Jindal and Chris Christie, 8% for Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz, 5% for Rick Santorum, and less than 1% for Susana Martinez. (That's also an embarrassingly poor showing for Santorum given that he easily won the state's primary last year.)

Jindal wouldn't be likely to get to a general election but the news for him there is bad too- he trails Hillary Clinton 47/40 in a hypothetical match up. Every other Republican we looked at is more competitive with Clinton in the state- Ryan leads her 46/44, Paul does 45/44, Bush ties her at 44 each, and she leads Christie just 42/41. It looks like Clinton would have a chance to make Louisiana unusually competitive in any instance, but particularly so against Jindal.
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http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2013/08/jindal-plummets-and-other-notes-from-louisiana.html
 
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Snake said:
And yet, when he was President, Clinton "communicated" little beyond his own personal political popularity (something that Obama has done well enough himself). The crazies dominated much of the discussion in the 90s just as they do today, and Clinton conceded to them even more with even less to show for it at the end of his term.

Meanwhile Obama is implementing major healthcare legislation that will affect millions of Americans in an age of increasingly de-centralized and self-chosen communication, as opposed to Clinton who failed the communications game entirely and gave up on healthcare.
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he's right though, people were oddly okay when Clinton fed them a shit sandwich between GOP toast.
 
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http://news.yahoo.com/gop-takes-anti-washington-message-town-halls-175606962.html

ORRVILLE, Ohio (AP) — Microphone in hand, Republican Rep. Jim Renacci gave his constituents a grim report on Washington's gridlock.

House Republicans, he said, had passed a number of bills that would boost energy production, cut regulations and rein in spending. But, he added, President Barack Obama and Senate Democrats haven't done their part.

"It's not the easiest thing when you only control one-third of the federal government," said Ohio's Renacci, faulting the Democrats who control the Senate and the White House for the stalemate as he flipped through a series of PowerPoint slides intended to send a message that Republicans are focused on "Making Washington Work."

This summer at the behest of their leaders, House Republicans like Renacci are fanning out across the nation to press this anti-Washington, blame-Democrats pitch at town hall-style meetings. They're trying to counter claims that they are responsible for a "do nothing" House and feed on the public's antipathy for anyone linked to Washington. They gloss over the fact that they are in control of the House and have played a significant part in the inaction on a host of issues, suggesting that there's little they can do in the face of what they call Democratic roadblocks.

The message suggests partisan battles are ahead this fall when Congress returns to Capitol Hill and also could preview the GOP's likely argument to voters in next year's midterm congressional elections — keep Republicans in control of the House so they can provide a check on Obama's power.

Democrats say the GOP argument will fall flat because Republicans control the House.

During a news conference earlier this month, Obama said Republicans had shown an "ideological fixation" with repealing the health care law, his signature legislative achievement, and there was "not even a pretense now that they're going to replace it with something better."

"It's a totally cynical playbook designed to mislead the American public," said Democratic strategist Jeremy Bird, a former Obama campaign aide. "They've been the most obstructionist branch of government, perhaps in American history."

Republicans are trying nonetheless.

About 60 miles west of Charlotte recently, Rep. Patrick McHenry, R-N.C., tried to commiserate with a public that doesn't look kindly on the capital, saying: "If you're frustrated sitting here in Polk County, imagine how frustrated I am going there and seeing it up close." In upstate New York, Rep. Tom Reed, R-N.Y., told people at a pig roast that "we need to be fighting Washington, D.C. We need to be standing up for our rights."

And in Lincoln, Ill., GOP Rep. Aaron Schock told an audience at a coffee shop that the Democratic-controlled Senate had "sat on their hands" while the House sought to repeal Obama's health care law. "The president right now is doing a very good job of trying to make it look like the House is dysfunctional," Schock said. "Really what we're trying to do is carry out the wishes of the people."

Back in Ohio, a standing-room-only crowd of more than 100 greeted Renacci in Orrville, home of The J.M. Smucker Co., famous for its Smucker's jams and jellies.

After a short film describing a typical day, Renacci walked his constituents through a 30-minute slide presentation that focused on steps he and House Republican colleagues had taken to spur job growth, promote diverse sources of homegrown energy and tame the federal deficit.

He made no apologies for opposing Obama's health care law, citing it as a reason why many businesses had decided not to expand their work force.

"I am definitely one of those people who have voted to repeal Obamacare 40 times," he said.

During a question-and-answer session, Jared Bauman, a 26-year-old physical therapist, said he agreed with Renacci on the flaws of the health care law but said he had grown impatient with the House's repeated attempts to repeal the law.

"It just kind of gets a little frustrating. I start to roll my eyes. OK, we're not getting anywhere," he said.

When several attendees pressed the congressman to support comprehensive immigration reform, Renacci said the immigration system was broken but securing the border had to be the first priority. He repeatedly cited the length of the Senate bill as a reason to oppose it.

"We'll get immigration reform right by making sure we avoid mistakes of the past. You know what the mistakes of the past are? Let's throw 2,400 pages in a big bill, let's throw it out there, let's let people understand it after we pass it," Renacci said. "That's not going to happen again."

Many of his constituents' questions and comments turned to a general unease with Congress and the Obama administration.

"Is everyone in Washington that out of touch?" asked one man.

Renacci took the comment in stride, joking about Washington's reputation for being a foreign place to the rest of the nation while also adding: "Look there are some really good people in Washington."
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How fucking delusional can you be? This is the pot calling the kettle black. If Republicans controlled the other 2/3rds of government we'd be in real deep shit right now. Just look at North Carolina.
 
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GhaleonEB said:
The GOP set a strategy of pure obstructionism, and it's stymied the economy severely since they took power in 2010.

Obama made his own mistakes along the way, but the overwhelming share of the responsibility lies with the GOP.
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I don't see how GOP obstructionism is equivalent to misjudging the severity of the recession? Then, Obama decided that tackling unemployment and increasing economic growth were not the top priorities on his agenda.
 
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TheLaughingStock said:
I don't see how GOP obstructionism is equivalent to misjudging the severity of the recession? Then, Obama decided that tackling unemployment and increasing economic growth were not the top priorities on his agenda.
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Stimulus spending was reversing unemployment trends steadily until 2010 elections and the end of that spending.
 
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