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theprodigy
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The Librarian
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Fenderputty
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Jusu curious here, but what in your opinion is sensible?
cooljeanius
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Good for Mayor Gray.
PhoenixDark
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Good, good.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
It's hard to read sarcasm sometimes, especially with the current republican party.What efforts? To shoot both their feet?
Dollar cost averaging bitches!!!
shadowsdarknes
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Aaron Strife
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are i cartoonists yet
are i cartoonists yet
I think blaming voters is a bad strategy to win votes.
shadowsdarknes
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Gotcha. And were these bills sent to the House and were they just rejected?
Sorry for the double post GAF I hate copying and pasting on my phone.
Aaron Strife
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Good thing i'm not running for office, most "independent" voters are fucking idiots
that's not to say party-line voters can't be just as bad but the ones who claim to be nonpartisan are annoying as hell
The Librarian
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Senate voting now: http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/
PhoenixDark
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GOP will probably hold their vote late tonight to jam the senate. A one week CR won't work, but it sounds like the Vitter amendment could be included.
Or will Boehner hold the vote around 6-7pm, purposely giving the senate the chance to put the ball back in House's hands? That way he could say he tried his hardest, but it's time to pass clean CR.
Aaron Strife
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The Librarian
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The bill has been tabled, sent back to the House.
I don't think Reid will go for a CR. He's already said as much, and it doesn't do them any good. What's going on with Boehner's caucus is his problem, not Reids, and this has been going on for months. What makes everyone think Boehner can solve this problem in another week?
I don't think Reid will go for a CR. He's already said as much, and it doesn't do them any good. What's going on with Boehner's caucus is his problem, not Reids, and this has been going on for months. What makes everyone think Boehner can solve this problem in another week?
Aaron Strife
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If we weren't on the edge of a government shutdown I'd want someone (Reid, Obama, Pelosi, Biden) to be like "You know what? We're not doing this crap. Pass an actual budget"
You fool! You gave him Bush ears! I'm so confused now.Ok how's this
Again I feel it necessary to reiterate that the Senate is constitutionally disallowed from being the chamber of origin for bills that spend money!
But yes, the House CR, having been amended into a clean CR, was passed through the Senate. The House could, at any time, pass the clean Senate CR and end the shutdown threat.
The Librarian
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"House GOP to move to strip subsidies from members of Congress and political appointees, Darrell Issa tells reporters"
https://twitter.com/russellberman/status/384747024681533440
https://twitter.com/russellberman/status/384747024681533440
With a mandate delay or not?
shadowsdarknes
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Yeah I figured so. Thanks for that.
The Librarian
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There will also be an individual mandate delay.
PhoenixDark
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How does that force Reid's hand lmao
I don't understand these people.
why would expect something that makes sense?
"HAHA! We got you now Reid! Your hand is forced, what are you going to do now!"
"No"
"OMG HE SAID NO, WHAT DO WE DO NOW!?"
I am relishing the role reversal. For the duration of Obama's term, he and Reid have been trying to work while the GOP just stood there and said, no.
Now the GOP is floundering around while Obama and Reid return the favor, and they're destroying themselves in the process. All Reid has to do is say no. It's just a question of how many times.
TacticalFox88
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I wonder if sometimes off-camera the Administration just outright bluntly says "These fucking morons" and then shake their heads.
Ugh, I'd love to hear conversations off-script.
Ugh, I'd love to hear conversations off-script.
Fenderputty
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This feels like the political version of hot potatoe. The house seems to think whoever ends up with the CR last is to blame too.
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thepotatoman
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Fair or not, those are the two most hated parts of the ACA. It'll be a bit harder for Dems to justify a shutdown over those two things.
I wonder how insurers would feel about being forced into setting a price assuming a individual mandate that never happened.
Am I jaded when my reaction to this was "Nice try Israel, stop trying to fuck up the reconciliation?"
Every country has spies in other countries. Israel has spies here, and have been caught before. So what Israel, we're trying to fix shit up here.
shadowsdarknes
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Senator Claire McCaskill makes a good point.
If Boehner would just let the House vote on the clean CR, we would find that there would be a pretty noticable bipartisan vote for an 'aye'.
But the leaders aren't even allowing for a vote.
If Boehner would just let the House vote on the clean CR, we would find that there would be a pretty noticable bipartisan vote for an 'aye'.
But the leaders aren't even allowing for a vote.
To be a fly on Obama's wall at night, or hell, any of the House/Senate democrats' wall.
jamesinclair
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Why is Obama leading from behind on this entire process?
PhoenixDark
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The problem is that ending the individual mandate effectively kills the law. It's a vote to end Obamacare, by another name.
Even those democrats on the fence realize they already voted for Obamacare x years ago, and won't get a pass for changing their mind now. It's not like republicans are going to say "ok Mark Pryor, you did the right thing and voted to defund Obamacare. Tom Cotton will drop out the race instead of beating you in the next election now." These democrats best hope is that the law is implemented and works well enough for working poor people that they show up to vote next year. Ending the law leaves democrats with their dick in their hand.
Try harder.
Sirpopopop
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I think blaming voters is a good strategy if your goal is to assign blame to the group that deserves it.
The undecided voter got the government they deserve.
Then each side didn't do a good job explaining and motivating those voters to their side.
It's the easy way out to just say, "Ah, they're all stupid."
They'd be completely fucked, since the law would keep guaranteed issue, and the prices have already been submitted. It would probably lead to a functional collapse of the healthcare system.
Sirpopopop
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No, I think the explanations were crystal clear. The voters just didn't pay attention.
The undecided voter makes statements like, "Why can't everyone in Washington D.C. just get along?!?!?!!!!??"
Anyone who makes a statement like that isn't paying attention.
Then they should market themselves better.
Yeah, I mean, I assume Israel has no spies in Iran!
Baraka in the White House
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I think the GOP, at least, is marketing themselves just fine.
Anyone having a hard time understanding what they're about can't be paying too much attention.
Sirpopopop
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The "marketing" scheme only works well with the American center during election season. Even then, it needs a buzz word to succeed like "47%." There aren't buzz words falling out of the sky for the health care reform.
Obama tried "marketing" after he was elected with all of his speeches and addresses that interrupted people's favorite television shows. It turns out folks didn't like that because they would rather watch Modern Family instead of a "boring old speech."
In fairness, the "undecided voter" (I prefer to call them "low information voters") has to navigate a media landscape where on the one hand, we have entire conservative media organizations actively misleading people, and a mainstream press bending over backward not to take sides. ("Republicans say the earth is flat. Democrats say they are wrong.") So getting word out is difficult, as seen by how little people understand about laws such as ACA. If your source of news is the mainstream press, you're pretty much screwed.
That said, I have relatively little sympathy for undecided voters. Getting answers has never been easier.
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