I wonder how much Boehner hates Cruz for getting him in this mess.
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I wonder how much Boehner hates Cruz for getting him in this mess.
Boehner should hate himself for his own stupidity.
worldrunover
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How about Boehner sack up and have a vote on the clean CR? Don't blame Boehner's castration on Cruz.
worldrunover
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But I'm showing fiscal responsibility by not paying my credit card bill!
PhoenixDark
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Why do you think we'll get to that point? You realize that mere days before the 17th, the market will begin to implode and it'll become very clear Something Bad is about to happen unless the ceiling is raised. Boehner has assured Wall Street there won't be a default. In order to ensure it, all he has to do is call a vote. That's it.
He's chasing a republican grand bargain that his own party will most likely reject unless it's so far right wing that it becomes a PR nightmare. When that fails, he's pretty much out of options on that end.
Fuckers get Citizen United-ed.
I wish I could say you reap what you sow, but we all reaping that shit.
History repeats itself, this is just like the Nazis.
No, wait, I'm not comparing the tea party to Nazis, I really really am not, just bear with me for one minute here.
What I am comparing is rich short-sighted industrialists in Germany who because they were afraid that the communists were coming for their stuff, decided to support and finance the Nazi party so they can take care of communists. They thought they can use crazy and then control or discard it, but they couldn't.
Also, I would like to stress that I'm not overly afraid of the GOP crazy caucus, I think the demographics of the US will make them disappear pretty damn soon, I'm just commenting on how time after time (and there other examples), rich people try to use crazy to advance their economic interests, and it almost always blow in everyone's faces.
Prior to the shutdown, I held this view. I still think it's unlikely. But I'm not so sure now.
Cruz clearly had no end game. He was making things up procedurally as he went, and this was the natural end state: government shut down, GOP is blamed, Obamacare carries on. He's in way over his head, and managed to pull an entire body of Congress with him. Lemmings.
Yup. He's got no one to blame but himself. He's just gotta schedule a vote. But nope, gotta dig in. He's a coward.
Just for the record, in your model, what happens to Boehner if he fails to deliver on his promises to Wall Street?
rocketknight
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Ghaleon, you mean lemmings in suicide vests, not just lemmings.
jamesinclair
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Probably golf
Black Mamba
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I agree which is why I think he'll do it.
But again, when you deal with the irrational, sometimes things go very badly.
Boehner also stated that a shutdown wouldn't happen.
Bwahaha. Pretty much.
j_k_redtail
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(1) A clean CR - which would pass both houses of Congress. (2) A debt ceiling hike, which is necessary to avoid catastrophe. (3) And finally: a conference on an actual, full year budget, which is something the Senate has been requesting for several months now.
That's all. Crisis over. These are not policy demands; these are the requirements for a functioning government. Boehner could get this started tonight if he wanted to. They need to hammer that point home.
Fenderputty
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A shutdown doesn't bite the hand that feeds their campaigns though.
This is why I still have some hope.
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thepotatoman
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I'm most worried that Boehner is 100% convinced Obama will cave like he has before, and Obama is 100% set against setting a new hostage taking precedent.
If that's the case I don't know how that situation could be changed before catastrophe hits. But I guess none of us know exactly what Boehner and the people who influence Boehner are really thinking.
Maybe by waiting until the time frame between when we officially become in danger of hitting the debt ceiling but before the ceiling actually gets hit? Maybe less than an hour after the debt ceiling gets hit?
What happens if the debt limit gets hit anyhow? Does it instantly take effect or is there a fuzzy time frame when it gets hit but we don't know it's been hit?
If overconfidence is the problem, what happens in the last of the last minutes is the only thing that's important.
If that's the case I don't know how that situation could be changed before catastrophe hits. But I guess none of us know exactly what Boehner and the people who influence Boehner are really thinking.
Maybe by waiting until the time frame between when we officially become in danger of hitting the debt ceiling but before the ceiling actually gets hit? Maybe less than an hour after the debt ceiling gets hit?
What happens if the debt limit gets hit anyhow? Does it instantly take effect or is there a fuzzy time frame when it gets hit but we don't know it's been hit?
If overconfidence is the problem, what happens in the last of the last minutes is the only thing that's important.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Any word on how this affects disbursement of already granted Pell grants?
From everything I've been reading, I think this is Boehner's weakness -- remember, the 2011 Grand Bargain went exactly this way. Boehner told the House GOP all the awesome things they'd be getting. Forgot to mention they'd have to vote for a tax increase. I suspect he tends to sell the benefits and hope the costs will just sneak by, which is not, in my experience, a good way to accomplish his kinds of goals.
So Monday the strategy was ping-pong. Tuesday the strategy was the conference. Today the strategy is a grand bargain. I'm curious to see what tomorrow's strategy is.
ClassyPenguin
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oh you.
PhoenixDark
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Wall Street goes on the dark internet to hire a hitman for bitcoins, obviously.
No, he loses his investments, destroys the economy, is forever disgraced, etc. Again, we're talking about a complete global meltdown, I don't keep bringing up the Wall Street comment because I believe they're going to directly punish him if he doesn't keep his word. The point is that Boehner is an old school corporatist republican. He's going to retire to a life of golf with lobbyists and K/Wall Street barons. Unless we default, at which point he would have fucked all those people over and ruined the country...
In which case he'd probably retire in disgrace and to a life of golf with lobbyists and K/Wall Street barons.
PhoenixDark
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All I can say is that Boehner is a rational actor in this farce, and thus will not blow up the world economy.
ClassyPenguin
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Evilore should take note
I'd say he's been a rational actor who has taken a hard right turn to irrationality. I hope he does not play with the debt ceiling but I am less confident in that now than I was a few days ago.
LMAO WTF
This is what passes for "moderate".
LMAO WTF
Not that I wasn't already a little bit, but he makes me fucking ashamed to have interned in that district office when Souder was there.
Of course, it could be worse, my lady-friend interned with Boehner when in 09.
We both regret these decisions now, fyi.
This was my take on it as well, but with every day that passes I'm less and less sure of that.
LMAO WTF
I don't even know what to say to that.
"Wait, 'centrist'?"
Thagomizer
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www.cnn.com/articles/the-republican-party-cannot-stand-by-and-let-obama,34074/
Hope this hasn't been posted yet.
Hope this hasn't been posted yet.
Ohhh you are a little bastard
LMAO WTF
A wild moderate appears!
Ohhh you are a little bastard
To be honest I never even knew we had a debt ceiling, because it's never an issue to raise it. :jnc
So the idea is to just hold the executive branch hostage until you get what you want. It's not very original, but I will concede that it takes giant brass balls.
By the time this is all over, we'll see exactly how much political capital President Barack Obama has spent.
By the time this is all over, we'll see exactly how much political capital President Barack Obama has spent.
The problem is essentially fabricated; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIbkoop4AYE
I didn't even know Australia has a debt ceiling.
Anyone know when they enacted that stupidity?
Couldn't find any info online.
Edit: oh and Greatest Country In World Unable To Keep William H. Gross Stamp Gallery Open
more at the link.
"C'mon baby, if you won't go out on a date with me, can I at least feel your tits? COME ON."
To be fair, we're just wrapping up the second full day of shutdown. Back in '96 the thing went on for three weeks, and my coworkers tell me stories about it (well, so much as stories come out of that sort of thing since everyone is home), so to act as if this is some unprecedented length of time is being rather reactionary. Granted, I don't like being furloughed, and I was too young and unengaed to remember how the politics played out in '96, but it's not like we've been going months so far.
this is exactly why this shutdown will reign polling hellfire down on the GOP. The idiotic freshmen senators are politically and socially inept. Whenever they open their mouths they reming the country that they are doing this. A day of the news talking heads yapping about "both sides are at fault" ends up with stupid comments from the GOP like this
The Technomancer
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Can't, whats up?
We won't see any numbers like that until tomorrow at the earliest.
PhoenixDark
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And yet he won't grow a pair and actually challenge his party on the floor.
You'd think a bunch of representatives from Virginia would have revolted by now, given the implications shut down has on their economy.
SpeedySwaf
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Don't know about approval, but I think there was a poll on blame where 46% blamed the GOP, 36% blamed Obama+Democrats, and 13% blamed both.
So 49% of those polled haven't been paying attention to anything? Sounds about right.
entremet
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49 percent are conservatives lol.
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