NYCmetsfan
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Good to see Yellen, she's still rather conservative but it's the best the system will accept at this point.
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PhoenixDark
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I'm actually waiting until Boehner folds. Gonna let them spread as much FUD and "we're winning" shit. Then I'll swoop in at the end with epic trolling.
I actually didn't troll any GOP friends after Obama won. I told them Obama would win, showed them Silver's charts, and kept quiet as they talked about skewing. And on November 7th I just chilled out. So I'll sure to go full troll after this debt shit is over.
NYCmetsfan
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NBC just called out Boehner saying they counted enough votes to pass a clean CR
Yep.
And that pride is going to have them continue to bluff all the way over the edge of the cliff.
You ain't got no passion, Maury.
At least Dems are spending it in noble places and not, you know, masturbating to the thought of default
Black Mamba
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Paul Ryan with a WSJ Op-Ed
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303442004579123943669167898.html
Ignoring his outright fabrications and stuff, what I don't get is that he basically is arguing a framework of trading the sequester cuts for long time entitlement and structural reform.
Okay, fine. Why does the debt ceiling and government need to be held hostage to have those negotiations!? He makes no solid case for that anywhere in the op-ed.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303442004579123943669167898.html
Ignoring his outright fabrications and stuff, what I don't get is that he basically is arguing a framework of trading the sequester cuts for long time entitlement and structural reform.
Okay, fine. Why does the debt ceiling and government need to be held hostage to have those negotiations!? He makes no solid case for that anywhere in the op-ed.
Of course he doesn't. If he did he would be admitting that this entire thing is the GOP's fault.
Me too, I didn't say a word...
well actually I posted this picture the night Obama won-
with the caption: "I feel like Cartman in this pic, right now."
Black Mamba
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TOO MUCH BREAKING NEWS AT ONCE!!!
don't even care about yellen, lol. just the knowledge that larry summers' worthless ass got robbed is victory enough.
Exactly. Throughout this whole process I have not heard one satisfactory reason as to why a standard budget process should be used to enact legislative gains. Sadly that point is not considered by a good chunk of the American people.
Aaron Strife
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That electoral map i posted a million times was also posted on facebook and my right-wing friends staunchly disagreed with it
I really enjoyed election night
NYCmetsfan
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Because he knows without them and the threat of default nobody will vote for the cuts he wants
Black Mamba
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We know he knows that, but my point is he doesn't even try to make an argument other than the false "it's been done before" bit.
What he describes is normal budget negotiations than routinely happen without the spector of default looming. I want to see him argue why that condition is now necessary.
Rhetorical question above I know, but in the interest of venting...
He can't say in public what the actual answer is which is "we have no other leverage".
The best they have been able to come up with in the absence of being able to say that is "Democracy is about compromise, and Democrats aren't willing to negotiate on anything and this is the only way to bring them to the table". Which itself is a flawed concept on multiple levels.
How a significant part of the country buys into that and thinks Republicans have the moral high-ground here I don't know.
Paul Ryan's op-ed:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303442004579123943669167898.html
I just can't with this.
EDIT: OH IT WAS ALREADY POSTED A WHILE AGO K
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303442004579123943669167898.html
I just can't with this.
EDIT: OH IT WAS ALREADY POSTED A WHILE AGO K
I wish Boehner would just call the damn vote already, but at this stage I think he is worried about losing his speakership. He's probably can't sleep, with Eric Cantor a moment away from knifing him in the back. That guy is like Starscream to Boehner's Megatron.
Truly a master of taking advantage of the electoriate's short memory.
Truly a master of taking advantage of the electoriate's short memory.
PhoenixDark
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Actually a lot has been written recently about how joined at the hip they've been. If Boehner is fucked, it's likely Cantor is too.
The tea party won't have the votes to remove Boehner this year IMO. As I said in the other thread, I think he'll decide not to run for re-election after this farce.
NullPointer
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Paul Ryan said:
smokeandmirrors
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Yeah that about sums it up.
I thought Obama was going to push for Summers but was facing heaving resistance from Senate Democrats saying they would never confirm him?
Interesting, I've read otherwise but you're more in the know. Who would be the other contenders for the Speakership from the GOP?
Boehner's job is terrible, but I don't feel sorry for him because the current situation is largely of his own making.
Hmm, I'm actually curious the trigger for that. I assume we'll hear more, and McCain will certainly raise a stink about it, but he can go fuck off.
RustyNails
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Just read that house republicans are furious at Harry Reid,who they think is controlling Obama and is the brains behind Obama's no negotiate policy.
There's been stories about how Reid has basically told both Obama and Biden to stay away from negotiations and leave it to him. Which is fine by me: too many chefs spoil the broth as they say. Reid has been in the Senate long enough to know how this will play out.
NullPointer
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Sounds good to me, along with Obama getting out there and reiterating his position every day as he's been doing. Its the best of all options I think.
"You may feel a slight sting. That's pride fucking with you. Fuck pride. Pride only hurts, it never helps. You fight through that shit."
(Shamelessly stolen from NullPointer, but I like to imagine that's how Obama's call to Boehner went this morning)
NullPointer
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Of course if you take the analogy further it goes in some interesting but possibly prescient places.
Captured in the web of some uhh, colorful characters, and forced into doing some very bad things.
But aside from some anal violation it all works out in the end.
PhoenixDark
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Reid convinced Obama to leave Biden out of this
Thank god. Biden is a cool dude but seems more concerned with getting something done than getting something done right. I suppose the same is the case with Obama, but at least Obama is willing to play hardball (like now).
Reid is definitely not the guy I want in my corner to change senate institutional rules. But if I'm heading into a political fight, I want him in my corner no questions asked. Same with Pelosi.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/joe-biden-government-shutdown-debt-ceiling-97969.html?hp=l4
Thank god. Biden is a cool dude but seems more concerned with getting something done than getting something done right. I suppose the same is the case with Obama, but at least Obama is willing to play hardball (like now).
Reid is definitely not the guy I want in my corner to change senate institutional rules. But if I'm heading into a political fight, I want him in my corner no questions asked. Same with Pelosi.
smokeandmirrors
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Angry Fork
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So is Yellen a center-right nominee that is being lauded because she's a woman or is she actually something of a liberal/leftist? I don't know anything about her but I get the impression the fandom is a result of the other option being worse like everything else democrat. Is that the case?
Of course if you take the analogy further it goes in some interesting but possibly prescient places.
Captured in the web of some uhh, colorful characters, and forced into doing some very bad things.
But aside from some anal violation it all works out in the end.
If getting raped is working out in the end.
smokeandmirrors
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So I missed Obummer talking today. Did he get blackman angry yet or was he still channeling his inner cool?
Mostly inner cool, but he made a good showing nonetheless. Especially during the Q&A.
I have little doubt that as days go by Obama will continue to amp up the pressure until we get closer to the actual do-or-die dates. Near the end we'll start seeing primetime national addresses, where he'll nail in the idea that what's coming [without House action] is nothing more than the Republican Party choosing to crash the economy.
If Boehner lets it get that far he'll probably move to perform the dual-cave on the budget/debt ceiling and from then on will try to portray himself as being "the bigger man" for choosing not to unleash hell on Earth.
Black Mamba
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Where's that itsfuckingnothing.gif when you need it?
Dr. Pangloss
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If it ultimately comes down to it, the Democrats could go "negotiate" and "compromise". After all, a negotiation is all about both sides getting something. They can demand stuff too and turn the argument back around about why the Republican's are not really "negotiating". But I prefer our current method to this fictional scenario. "Negotiating" with these clowns is not worth it.
NYCmetsfan
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Nobody on Capitol Hill knows what's coming next, not even Boehner
NYCmetsfan
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10/10
What would uncompromising photos be? Just normal ones?
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