Fenderputty
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I like how wealth distribution is like some evil word reserved only for socialists when it's been standard practice like .... Forever.
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I like how wealth distribution is like some evil word reserved only for socialists when it's been standard practice like .... Forever.
NYCmetsfan
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NYCmetsfan
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Do we have anybody on Free Republic?
NullPointer
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Not bad, not bad at all.
Good thing that crazy program never happened. Can you imagine?
Edit: Actually, I just read something about Medicare I never knew:
So, now I get it.Wikipedia said:
eBay Huckster
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It's also worth noting that gerrymanders decay rather substantially over the course of a decade, given that we had the same level of doomsaying about 2000's round and then 2006 happened.
NYCmetsfan
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Good article about this kinda stuff and the relation to our current situation. Someone posted a slate or salon piece about it. Slavery in the US south is our original sin and its effects are still with us
PhoenixDark
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NYCmetsfan
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thinking about joining. would play along till 2014
CoffeeJanitor
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I feel like posting stuff from ThinkProgress is like posting things from Fox News.
But then we lean liberal here so whatever.
But then we lean liberal here so whatever.
eBay Huckster
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Well, that and TP actually tends to link to its sources properly.
Bingo.
NYCmetsfan
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Depends on the article, some of them are, some aren't. I don't dismiss Fox out of hand like many here (BTW I really hate when people in OT confuse local fox stations with Fox News). The one I posted is backed up by a lot of political science research.
Kos is more of what Fox is. Name calling, out of context, annoying moral self-righteousness
PhoenixDark
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from that FR thread
Very few people like this exist, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if this person is just talking big online. The amount of republicans and libertarians I know who have gone on Medicaid recently is pretty amazing (5). At work we've gotten an onslaught of new young patients for dental, little kids being brought in by their old white grandmothers. One of whom was reading an evangelical book in the lobby yesterday so I'd bet money she was a republican.
If you make 23k, or around that low range, you're probably going to benefit from this.
Very few people like this exist, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if this person is just talking big online. The amount of republicans and libertarians I know who have gone on Medicaid recently is pretty amazing (5). At work we've gotten an onslaught of new young patients for dental, little kids being brought in by their old white grandmothers. One of whom was reading an evangelical book in the lobby yesterday so I'd bet money she was a republican.
If you make 23k, or around that low range, you're probably going to benefit from this.
Aaron Strife
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"Obastardcare"
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The Autumn Wind
I imagine a team of monkeys on typewriters working around the clock to come up with this stuff.
Randolph Freelander
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Fox News, yall.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/11/foxs-dangerous-advice-to-millennials-opt-out-of/196419
I said in another thread that the campaign to dissuade young people from buying health insurance just to deal a political blow to President Obama is quite possibly one of the most horrible things I've heard about. One accident, one illness, and a young person could be bankrupted and incapable of getting a house, a car, or certain jobs.
Well, in the clip in the article, the Republican guy says young people can just wait for the accident or illness to happen and then sign up. :| :|
Hey, genius. It prevents insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions. It does not say they have to pay for the bad thing that happened to you last week. Nevermind that enrollment is not a year-round thing.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/11/foxs-dangerous-advice-to-millennials-opt-out-of/196419
I said in another thread that the campaign to dissuade young people from buying health insurance just to deal a political blow to President Obama is quite possibly one of the most horrible things I've heard about. One accident, one illness, and a young person could be bankrupted and incapable of getting a house, a car, or certain jobs.
Well, in the clip in the article, the Republican guy says young people can just wait for the accident or illness to happen and then sign up. :| :|
Hey, genius. It prevents insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions. It does not say they have to pay for the bad thing that happened to you last week. Nevermind that enrollment is not a year-round thing.
eBay Huckster
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PhoenixDark
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The behavior they say is the problem with current healthcare, and they are encouraging it when it meets their agenda?
Oh wait, its fox news.
Klein says the trade is medical device tax for sequester "renegotiation."
I don't love trading for the sequester, since, as noted, it's kind of a fake trade, but I also don't think there's any particular policy benefit to the medical device tax.
However, if the trade is that the sequester's cuts stay in place but can be moved around, I don't see that as much of a win at all. We need to start improving the economy, and we need a real CR/debt ceiling increase.
NYCmetsfan
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Some dems don't like the medical device tax repeal, not because its amazing policy but rather its another undercut of the law.
RustyNails
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This is like a twisted version of Monopoly where the idea is to simply stay alive.
I see that as a good thing. It lets Obama say he's so willing to compromise he traded away some of the major aspects of Obamacare without actually affecting any practical characteristics of the law.
Ideally we could also trade away the employer mandate....
Aaron Strife
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Sounds like a great compromise.
Drudge's source is Breitbart's website (in a story in which they say the GOP is in a better position than they were in the '95 shutdown and are in a "position of strength" so take this story as you will), and the story says the deal is a six-week DL extension and only opening the government until December 15th. I don't see how that helps anyone since I know I, as a Federal Employee, am not going to be partaking in Christmas retail shopping unsure whether I'll be without a paycheck again after December 15th.
Minimum 12-month DL extension, and a full-year CR with the possibility of an actual budget superseding that if a budget compromise is reached, should be what the administration holds out for.
PhoenixDark
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do yourself a favor and follow this guy on twitter, for laughs on October 16th
https://twitter.com/Shaftan
https://twitter.com/Shaftan
NYCmetsfan
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Not happening until the law is in full effect, a year or two from now. Otherwise you'll have the republicans hammering 'why do businesses get a break but not Americans'. We need to have like two years of successful enrollment before we start doing major adjustments.
And I'm not as cheery about how that would be viewed. People still aren't sold on Obamacare and while the shutdown has improved its popularity and helped establish the idea its going nowhere, turning around and repealing a part of that (the relative smallness isn't going to matter if the GOP portrays it as a great victory) is going to undo part of that. Why should dems give anything? I don't get it. There's no need except to try to help boehner save face.
Watching all in, Hayes is hitting a good point. While the demand was no negociating with the hostage takers, we're now negotiating and giving things away to Republicans to open the government even if technically it will come after. While its still MUCH better than 2011 and democrats will 'Win' but its still negotiating before the fact.
If we do get rid of sequestration or even a delay I am in favor of giving small things up like the tax.
You'd have to find another source of funding, and preferably one that was as "invisible" as that one was to the average American.
I think it's only projected to bring in 30 billion over 10 years though, so it's not like it's a huge funding gap to fill.
Finally got around to seeing McCain on Fox. MacCallum acts like he just took a Cleveland Steamer on her chest.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mccain-to-fox-news-no-the-shutdown-is-the-gop-s-fault-video
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mccain-to-fox-news-no-the-shutdown-is-the-gop-s-fault-video
PhoenixDark
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btw that's from a Breitbart story posted this morning, so it's outdated.
This deal better not be some 6 week or 6 month bullshit. Full DL raise/full govt open or nothing.
mightynine
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Because in their mind, those people can go get "real" jobs.
And then out of the other side of their mouth, complain about how there are no jobs.
It's maddening.
They do this double talk so well, like suggesting the individual mandate be delayed a year, which they would then blame Obamacare on premiums going up.
He keeps this shit up and he'll be George Bushed.
jamesinclair
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Huh? Covered California has shown estimates with subsidies for weeks now, without requiring any signup.
All I hear is a loud buzzing sound and a soft evil laugh.
Oh god, it's an anti gay marriage bullshit speech. I think I'm going to throw up.
NullPointer
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1. What is the obsession with talking about things being shoved down their throats?
2. Why is State government seen as a noble part of civil society and the Federal government not so?
3. "The government is not America, the people are." I think this is where I disagree with most conservatives. Government is the people working together to define, regulate and enforce the laws and freedoms of civilization. Once again, why is the state government seen as integral but not the Federal government? I thought the US Constitution was the supreme law of the land?
Single parents can't exist?
Randolph Freelander
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The state government argument is just a red herring anyway. They use the same tactics at the state level as they do at the national level. They do not want a social safety net, and many of them can't formulate their own reasons why, they're just repeating the crap they hear from Limbaugh and Hannity and Beck.
And this is after earlier in his speech when he said that the government wasn't recognizing the country is made up of different people and cultures with diverse values and should be more responsive to that.
NullPointer
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Which was after saying that "shared values unite us as Americans".
It sure seems like a shell game. The Federal government, the State government, and the People taken as a whole - lets just bounce our ideas between them with little apparent logic driving it.
I see our system of government as the stable and shared expression of our civilization in action, for the people as a whole, and not just some market segment or enterprise for profit.
For conservatives is that expression only found in religion? In the Constitution? In State governments? In business? Or whatever audience they're speaking to? I have a hard time seeing it.
Edit: You'd also think that if "the profound truths of marriage are written on the human heart" that somebody could've stood up and presented a coherent and compelling and rational argument in various courts across this country in defense of protecting 'traditional marriage'. But... nope.
Randolph Freelander
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I'd like to introduce my conservative friends and family members to a little phrase called "We the people" and "government of the people, by the people, for the people."
The government is just us. The people. That's all it is. We make of it the things we value.
The government is just us. The people. That's all it is. We make of it the things we value.
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