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PoliGAF 2013 |OT3| 1,000 Years of Darkness and Nuclear Fallout

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NYCmetsfan

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Diablos said:
I would hope when the vast majority of people see what they are getting under their new plan and how much better it is than their old one, they won't let idiots on the news dictate how they should feel about it.

But this is the US we're talking about here.
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I think people will see this... If they shop in the exchanges a lot of companies are offering a worse plan in these letters without saying they can shop around . They're using it as a way to funnel people to more expensive plans
 
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Palom

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I live in Idaho, and as such we're forced to go through the Federal exchange. However, after I signed up for a healthcare.gov account, I am now being told I have to give proof of my citizenship (in the form of a birth certificate) in order to do anything further. Is this normal, or is this just some bullshit addition my state did? I would assume the latter since this is Tea Party country. I mean, they already have my SSN.
 
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Diablos

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Palom said:
I live in Idaho, and as such we're forced to go through the Federal exchange. However, after I signed up for a healthcare.gov account, I am now being told I have to give proof of my citizenship (in the form of a birth certificate) in order to do anything further. Is this normal, or is this just some bullshit addition my state did? I would assume the latter since this is Tea Party country. I mean, they already have my SSN.
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Uhh nothing like that here in PA afaik.

Tea Party Nation has you by the balls, sorry.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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Palom said:
I live in Idaho, and as such we're forced to go through the Federal exchange. However, after I signed up for a healthcare.gov account, I am now being told I have to give proof of my citizenship (in the form of a birth certificate) in order to do anything further. Is this normal, or is this just some bullshit addition my state did? I would assume the latter since this is Tea Party country. I mean, they already have my SSN.
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Idaho has their own exchange. You don't go to the federal exchange
 
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Oblivion

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Woo! Great news. I'm gonna be able to get coverage through my employer starting on the 17th. This'll mark the first time in my life that I got a job with health insurance.

Seems Obama can't do anything right.

Palom said:
I live in Idaho, and as such we're forced to go through the Federal exchange. However, after I signed up for a healthcare.gov account, I am now being told I have to give proof of my citizenship (in the form of a birth certificate) in order to do anything further. Is this normal, or is this just some bullshit addition my state did? I would assume the latter since this is Tea Party country. I mean, they already have my SSN.
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When I tried to sign up for welfare a long time ago, I got rejected cause I needed to provide proof of residency, but I only had my green card (which you would think would be enough) but not my birth certificate.

That was for a state program though, so I don't know if it also applies to a national thing like Obamacare.
 
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speculawyer

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teiresias

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I'm going to silver-line the whole thing because despite the ridiculous website fiasco (seriously is there a list of all the contracted companies involved? I can't believe anyone would want to hire them at this point except to design an Angelfire site) approvals for the law continue to grow.

However they're growing slowly and not having some huge surge in approval. Here's the silver lining.

In the meantime the Republicans continue to rail against the law rather than suggesting constructive improvements. So it's sort of the whole boiling a frog in water analogy. If approval skyrocketed instantly they may have wised up and gotten on board, but at some point approval will be high enough but not so quickly that the party did anything to seem on the right side of the issue. At that point there will be literally years worth of material of them working and railing against it. Seems like it will be harder to run on that record for anyone involved or identified with the party.
 
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Jimothy

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lolbertarians
 
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Piecake

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In terms of elections, I am honestly not very concerned about the website disaster so long as its fixed in a couple months. People will forget about it just like they forgot about the shutdown. And whats the attack when its fixed? The website sucked, it didnt work for 3 months! -- Well, it works fine now and has been doing that for a while, so whats your point?

The whole kicked off your insurance thing has more staying power, so hopefully that will improve once people can actually buy insurance online and stories start coming out with most of the people being able to buy better coverage for the same or a cheaper price.
 
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FyreWulff

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Private roads:

- take twice as long because of all the tollbooths
- don't match up because the owner wants to make it work for their use. You'd go from one private road with super wide lanes because they want to run construction equipment down it, to a super narrow one because the owner prefers to only let small cars go down it
- snow clearance optional in the winter. you'd have to buy a plow for the front of your vehicle.
- the private owners would have to negotiate with every single property owner along the way, and possibly rent out the road's land to keep it open, raising the toll prices
- You'd wouldn't be able to go much anywhere since private owners would have no incentive to build roads that go "nowhere" (ie not towards a work or shopping center of activity)
- lol good luck building your road as a bridge over someone else's road. private roads would allow the top 1% to "ring" private land for cheap and prevent anyone from building into it.

There's a good damn reason why roads tend to be a government-run public endeavor.
 
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Piecake

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FyreWulff said:
Private roads:

- take twice as long because of all the tollbooths
- don't match up because the owner wants to make it work for their use. You'd go from one private road with super wide lanes because they want to run construction equipment down it, to a super narrow one because the owner prefers to only let small cars go down it
- snow clearance optional in the winter. you'd have to buy a plow for the front of your vehicle.
- the private owners would have to negotiate with every single property owner along the way, and possibly rent out the road's land to keep it open, raising the toll prices
- You'd wouldn't be able to go much anywhere since private owners would have no incentive to build roads that go "nowhere" (ie not towards a work or shopping center of activity)
- lol good luck building your road as a bridge over someone else's road. private roads would allow the top 1% to "ring" private land for cheap and prevent anyone from building into it.

There's a good damn reason why roads tend to be a government-run public endeavor.
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Or we could just not have roads and go pure mass transit. That is much easier to monetize. Question is, would that be a Libertarian dream or nightmare?
 
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Wilsongt

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Now a nominee for Parents of the Year:

NJ Parents Sue Over Gay Conversion Therapy Ban

A New Jersey couple is challenging a measure signed into law this past August that prevents licensed therapists from performing gay conversion therapy in the state because they believe their 15-year-old son is gay and needs the controversial treatment.

"[The unnamed teen] has a sincerely held religious belief and conviction that homosexuality is wrong and immoral, and he wanted to address that value conflict because his unwanted same-sex attractions and gender confusion are contrary to the fundamental religious values that he holds,” the lawsuit claims.

Gay conversion therapy, or “reparative therapy,” is a practice that attempts to “convert” people who are sexually attracted to the same sex into heterosexuals. The method has been widely regarded by gay rights activists, psychologists, and patients who have undergone conversion therapy as ineffective and, in some cases, harmful. A 2007 report from the American Psychological Association found that the “results of scientifically valid research indicate that it is unlikely that individuals will be able to reduce same-sex attractions or increase other-sex sexual attractions through [sexual orientation change efforts.”

In August, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie signed legislation that bans the use of gay conversion therapy on young people in the state, citing the expert opinion of the American Psychological Association. While he expressed concern about “government limiting parental choice on the care and treatment of their own children,” Christie ultimately decided that the risk of kids growing up with suicidal thoughts, depression, and substance abuse problems was paramount to the right of parents to seek the treatment.

But the denial of that right is exactly what the parents of one unnamed teen, who the court documents call “Joe Doe,” are challenging. The parents say that the American Psychological Association’s report, along with others used by the governor and legislature in deciding on the ban, were inaccurate and unreliable.


“The Legislature, in enacting this legislation, relied on reports that this was harmful,” said Demetrios Stratis, an attorney associated with the case. “We believe that the literature and reports are not accurate and what the legislation relied on is erroneous and that there are constitutional implications.”

The suit seeks a preliminary injunction to stop the law from being enforced. The parents are also seeking “nominal damages” and attorney’s fees. A decision on whether the injunction will be granted should happen as early as Dec. 2.
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Wow. There are no words.
 
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Oblivion

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Oh god, just read that Rand Paul's threatening to take his ball and go home if people keep making fun of him.

Aside from being a horrendously childish move, who is he trying to threaten here? I mean, Rand Paul entered politics to begin with to stop the Kenyan socialist from destroying America. Now he's saying that he won't save the country if people keep being mean to him? Really?



Also, CBS is now conducting an investigation into their primary source on that stupid Benghazi video. They even took it off their site. Good for them, but at the same time, it serves them right for trying to hype up a nontroversy.
 
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Tamanon

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Oblivion said:
Oh god, just read that Rand Paul's threatening to take his ball and go home if people keep making fun of him.

Aside from being a horrendously childish move, who is he trying to threaten here? I mean, Rand Paul entered politics to begin with to stop the Kenyan socialist from destroying America. Now he's saying that he won't save the country if people keep being mean to him? Really?



Also, CBS is now conducting an investigation into their primary source on that stupid Benghazi video. They even took it off their site. Good for them, but at the same time, it serves them right for trying to hype up a nontroversy.
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I don't understand how this could happen to 60 Minutes. Any other news outlet that focuses on getting the news out ASAP and correcting later, sure. But 60 Minutes is slow on the uptake generally. It seems everything normally is quadruple-vetted. It's just really weird.
 
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RustyNails

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Tamanon said:
I don't understand how this could happen to 60 Minutes. Any other news outlet that focuses on getting the news out ASAP and correcting later, sure. But 60 Minutes is slow on the uptake generally. It seems everything normally is quadruple-vetted. It's just really weird.
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Obama sent his black panther goons with billy clubs to CBS office and made them remove the video.
 
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teiresias

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Oblivion said:
Also, CBS is now conducting an investigation into their primary source on that stupid Benghazi video. They even took it off their site. Good for them, but at the same time, it serves them right for trying to hype up a nontroversy.
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If this had been about something having to do with Bush then Dan Rather would have resigned already . . . oh wait.
 
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Having not seen 60 Minutes (or anything on CBS for that matter), did this episode talk about the Republican view that it was the Democrats fault Benghazi fell, or the truth?
 
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PhoenixDark

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I can understand Paul's initial dismissal of the story - he's a politician and most would have done the same thing. But once Politico and others jumped on the story it was clearly not a liberal MSNBC smear, and the evidence was quite blatant from the start. He extended the story by playing the victim card, now he looks like an idiot.

Obviously this story won't matter in a couple years but if he couldn't handle the heat now, how will he handle national spotlight attention during a presidential primary? I'm sure there are democrat AND republican operatives just waiting to torpedo him with stuff, especially his comments on the Civil Rights Act.
 
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Tamanon

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Rhomega Beta said:
Having not seen 60 Minutes (or anything on CBS for that matter), did this episode talk about the Republican view that it was the Democrats fault Benghazi fell, or the truth?
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They used as a source a guy who laid out a laundry list of all the things Obama had done wrong on site and what he should've known to do. It was basically a Republican wet dream, which should've immediately triggered red flags since he wasn't already being used by the GOP to attack Benghazigate.

Then it turned out he actually wasn't even there.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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Tamanon said:
I don't understand how this could happen to 60 Minutes. Any other news outlet that focuses on getting the news out ASAP and correcting later, sure. But 60 Minutes is slow on the uptake generally. It seems everything normally is quadruple-vetted. It's just really weird.
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Life imitating the newsroom
 
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Averon

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The media's been salivating for a major Obama scandal for a while now. So far, the Obama administration has been one of the "cleanest" so far, and that seems to annoy the press. Of course, the GOP's all too happy to help the media find one...or manufacture one if need be.
 
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Wilsongt

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Averon said:
The media's been salivating for a major Obama scandal for a while now. So far, the Obama administration been on of the "cleanest" so far, and that seems to annoy the press. Of course, the GOP's all too happy to help the media find one...or manufacture one if need be.
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The GOP is having a fieldday with websitegate. All the major news organizations are jumping in.
 
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RustyNails

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PhoenixPause said:
Obviously this story won't matter in a couple years but if he couldn't handle the heat now, how will he handle national spotlight attention during a presidential primary? I'm sure there are democrat AND republican operatives just waiting to torpedo him with stuff, especially his comments on the Civil Rights Act.
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Good point. Rand Paul has shown to have very thin skin. Also very interested in Christie being Christie with national media. He will be such a sourpuss.
 
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Jimothy

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Averon said:
The media's been salivating for a major Obama scandal for a while now. So far, the Obama administration been on of the "cleanest" so far, and that seems to annoy the press. Of course, the GOP's all too happy to help the media find one...or manufacture one if need be.
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The media has muddied the waters so much with stories about the IRS and Benghazi that legit beefs with the administration (drone strikes, whistleblower persecution, etc) get lost in the torrent of bullshit. Journalism in America is fundamentally broken.
 
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demon

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Jimothy said:
The media has muddied the waters so much with stories about the IRS and Benghazi that legit beefs with the administration (drone strikes, whistleblower persecution, etc) get lost in the torrent of bullshit. Journalism in America is fundamentally broken.
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Yeah I raise an eyebrow when I see someone say there have been no legitimate scandals in the Obama administration when Benghazi and healthcaredotgovgate come up. I guess it depends on what your definition of "scandal" is.
 
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Diablos

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/06/unemployment-benefits-set_n_4226421.html

WASHINGTON -- More than a million Americans will lose unemployment insurance at the end of the year unless Congress takes action, according to a worker advocacy group.

The National Employment Law Project said Wednesday that the 1.3 million Americans currently receiving long-term unemployment insurance will abruptly lose federal benefits, which kick in once state aid runs out, between Christmas and the new year. In the ensuing months, another 850,000 jobless workers will run out of state benefits and not receive an extension.

"Congress cannot conscionably ignore or dismiss the economic realities facing far too many unemployed workers and their families," NELP director Christine Owens said in a press release.

Flirting with a holiday deadline for unemployment benefits has been a familiar congressional ritual during the Obama administration. Last year, Democrats successfully won a continuation of benefits through a deal to resolve the so-called fiscal cliff. In 2011, Congress attached a reauthorization of the benefits to an expiring payroll tax cut. The year before that, lawmakers attached the benefits to an extension of Bush-era tax cuts for the rich.

But policymakers haven't said anything about the benefits lately. What will they do this year?

Congress struck a deal last month to end a two-week government shutdown and fund the government until the beginning of 2014. Long-term unemployment insurance could perhaps hitch a ride on the next bill to fund government operations after the mid-January deadline.

Members of Congress showed little interest in preventing a $5 billion reduction to food stamp benefits last week, however. That cut affected all 47 million food stamp recipients, far more than the number of people who receive unemployment benefits.

Congress first gave the long-term jobless extra weeks of benefits as the economy tanked in 2008. The federal compensation takes over when workers run out of state benefits, which typically last for six months. Though combined state and federal jobless aid once lasted for 99 weeks, Congress has scaled back the federal programs in some states and a declining proportion of the unemployed now receive benefits.
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Given what we just saw happen with food stamps I can't imagine UE benefits will be extended like they were for 2013.
 
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Piecake

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Wilsongt said:
But but but... According to Rick Perry unemployment is at 14%, our job numbers are terrible, and Obamacare is the worst thing to ever happen in Earth's 6000 year history!!!
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Well, that is probably what it is actually at. Lot of people give up or are on disability insurance. Would be really high if we counted part time workers who wanted full time work
 
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bonercop

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Diablos said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/06/unemployment-benefits-set_n_4226421.html


Given what we just saw happen with food stamps I can't imagine UE benefits will be extended like they were for 2013.
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it really is remarkable to watch how much long-term damage america is doing to itself right now. it's easy to forget sometimes with how ridiculous these politicians are, but we're watching history happen here.

not even being hyperbolic. the Tea Party nonsense will have repercussions for the US economy for decades.
 
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