SpeedySwaf
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More like they'll try to pass their own bill. I can easily see Boehner trying to pass a bill that goes too far for most Dems, and not far enough for the Tea Party, meaning it'll still fall short.
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PoliGAF 2013 |OT3| 1,000 Years of Darkness and Nuclear Fallout
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More like they'll try to pass their own bill. I can easily see Boehner trying to pass a bill that goes too far for most Dems, and not far enough for the Tea Party, meaning it'll still fall short.
What Obama says, goes.
PhoenixDark
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In that case, I'm all for it. Haha Boehner...
Apparently his meeting with McConnell barely lasted 10 minutes.
Black Mamba
Member
They were there to exchange lube.
This will all come down to Boehner, now. Either he allows a vote on the Senate bill or the world economy crashes and it is on his shoulders and no one else.
NYCmetsfan
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They're so in love with suppressing the vote, they've moved on to suppressing the vote of their own followers.
McConnell: "Get you shit together. You gotta pass what I negotiate."
Boehner: "If I have to....I guess...." *goes limp*
So we're right back where we were 2 weeks ago lol
Aaron Strife
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I hope Boehner's caucus isn't sore about this.
It's never changed. It's always been Boehner. That scumbag.
Cry me a river.Poor House GOP
PhoenixDark
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Basically, the same situation we've been in for two weeks. Boehner knew this day was coming, he spent this time attempting to impress his caucus before the inevitable "we tried our best" cave. Given how crazy the right went yesterday with the WWII memorials, I'm starting to think it won't be good enough. Boehner is gonna be ripped big time today and tomorrow. All while Paul Ryan continues to get positive media coverage...
Black Mamba
Member
Good. Let Boehner lose his job, move Ryan to Speaker. Then Ryan will be exposed for all to see over the next year as the hack that he is. It will all be another step to the 2016 GOP implosion I've predicted when the party breaks itself apart.
They shouldn't get a single thing.
For realsies?
lol
Only thing that sucks about this: McConnell's race went from potentially up for grabs against Grimes to a sure winner. I think he will get some good press for being the sole Republican who could help make this debacle end.
OH WELL.
Black Mamba
Member
It's already part of the law. They're getting something already there.
It's like someone on twitter mentioned, Dems should offer to get rid of Death Panels, too.
His problem is the primary. If he wins that, he keeps his seat. But if he loses that, Dems could pick it up. This won't help him in the primary.
Wah wah.
Boehner cannot lead his caucus. Period. He has to be one of the worst Speakers of the House in the history of our nation.
Say what you want about Obama and his low key approach to negotiations vs. a Clinton (or Christie!)-esque "I'm the President, I'll walk in the room the second it happens" approach -- it's still a valid approach.
They should just add a little Javascript pop up to the enrollment process that says "Thanks to the GOP shutting down the government and refusing to raise the DL unless we gave them something, you have to click OK to proceed.".
Black Mamba
Member
looking close to done.
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thepotatoman
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I still don't get why Tea Party think Paul Ryan would be any different from Boehner in anyway. Hell, I don't know if there's a person Boehner has taken more ideas and strategies from than Paul Ryan.
The only change I expect would be a greater focus on entitlements, but Obamacare, not entitlements, is what has gotten the Tea Party so energized.
I actually hope they go ahead and put Paul Ryan in the speaker chair. It'll still just accelerate their destruction since entitlements are a lot more popular than Obamacare.
How do you guys think Paul Ryan would have handled the last few years differently?
The only change I expect would be a greater focus on entitlements, but Obamacare, not entitlements, is what has gotten the Tea Party so energized.
I actually hope they go ahead and put Paul Ryan in the speaker chair. It'll still just accelerate their destruction since entitlements are a lot more popular than Obamacare.
How do you guys think Paul Ryan would have handled the last few years differently?
Fenderputty
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Isn't there a chance this ends up as a three way race too?
Everyone in here was saying the only verification was the validation done when you file your taxes. Is there some other mechanism for income verification that we're all just unaware of that was actually delayed?
Those fucking Democrats making it easier for people to vote! What do they think this is?! A democracy?!
Most likely Republicans want to make it based on pre-tax income and make it harder for people to get covered.
ridethepiggy
Banned
All comes down to Boehner. Either way he's done as speaker.
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thepotatoman
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No! I need it to go to Wednesday to get my 16 day prediction exactly correct.
Black Mamba
Member
Yes, I believe so. They tried to get it up and running, but couldn't. Honestly, I'm a bit confused how they would verify income other than basing it on last year's tax returns. You can't verify someone who didn't file taxes, lost their job, just got a new job, etc that I know of.
Always possible. If that happens, McConnell may be done no matter what. Oh god, that would be hilarious. A Tea Party idiot runs as an Indie and causes the dem to unseat the majority leader. Not enough lolz in the world.
theprodigy
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that would be even dumber than Mourdock knocking out Lugar in 2012 :lol
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thepotatoman
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And yet he still found a way to force Obama to give them massive spending cuts and extend the bush tax cuts.
Black Mamba
Member
hah!
haha!
TBH, if this is a short delay of the cadillac tax, what does it matter? Companies were shedding the cadillac plans nearly 3 years before the tax was implimented, a year or 2 delay won't change much.
worldrunover
Member
Fox should love this; Obamacare is terrible, thus people going to the Obamacare website will see all its terribleness and register to vote for Republicans, right?
ridethepiggy
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this is hilarious. Tea Party has just ruined the GOP's chances to get anything substantive out of this.
Please let this signal a quick end. Please.
worldrunover
Member
If it's only 30-50 House Rs who oppose then it shouldn't even break the Hastert rule. What's Boehner waiting for.
I absolutely cannot believe that a budget conference is part of what the GOP are thinking they "won" in this when the dems have been asking for one for months. I mean, WTF is going on with these people? LOL.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Wait so we're just delaying this for 6 months? We have to deal with this shit again early next year? What's the point?
Black Mamba
Member
Well, the Senate hasn't voted on anything yet...
This is a win. If they try this again in 6 months, they'll be fucked in the Primaries.
Vestal
Junior Member
Shhh!!!!
Let it be signed and delivered then we mock them. Don't want the getting any ideas like reading or anything like that.
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
Last week Obama even said they could put a conference in the CR bill and add absolutely any items they want to discuss to it and he'd accept it.
Invisible_Insane
Member
The failure to make social security payments does not have the immediate impact of making borrowing more expensive in the same way that failing to pay bondholders might. And that has unfortunate consequences even for people who aren't personally holding treasury bonds.
I wasn't holding you personally accountable for negotiation, just suggesting a reason why a public preoccupation with debt service, even if feigned, might be appropriate.
Black Mamba
Member
A new round of sequester cuts hit in January, ones that really hurt military. Belief if Dems have leverage to ease sequestration then and if the DL is further away, GOP can't do shit.
Plus, by then, Obamacare will be actually alive (insurance kicks in Jan 1st). GOP won't shutdown gov't to take people off insurance.
The other idea is the GOP won't threaten default or shutdown again. They've come out losing big time this time. If they do do it again, 100% they lose the House.
jamesinclair
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Poligaf to food stamp thread, cleanup needed in food stamp thread.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Ahh i see, makes sense.
Sorry, but that thread just needs to be nuked from orbit. Too many clueless people.
Well, it's obvious, in hindsight, that they turned down every attempt by Dems to legitimately discuss an actual budget because they'd planned to do this. It's exceedingly sad and pathetic that now that this whole thing has royally blown up in their faces they want to try and get brownie points for suggesting a budget conference.
Black Mamba
Member
apparently original reporting wrong:
empty vessel
Member
But this is exactly what I'm talking about. It needn't have that consequence at all. And to suggest it does suggests powerlessness of the entire country in the face of rich investors. It's not true, and it doesn't do anybody any favors to pretend it is true. It makes us worse off. Politicians will do what they have to do given political realities, but there is no reason for us as citizens discussing issues of the day to countenance it (or, worse, promote it).
What's a "reinsurance fee"? Sorry, I'm being lazy. I'm on an LTE connection and don't really want to google it.
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