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PoliGAF 2013 |OT3| 1,000 Years of Darkness and Nuclear Fallout

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Metaphoreus

This is semantics, and nothing more
This all just turns on whether the exchange set up by the Secretary is considered "an Exchange established by the State under 1311" within the meaning of 1401. I see no reason why it shouldn't be so considered, because all 1321 does is authorize the Secretary to establish an exchange on behalf of a state that does not, i.e., 1321 authorizes the Secretary to establish an "exchange established by the State under 1311." The reason this makes sense is because of the language used. The Secretary establishes "such Exchange," which is a reference to an exchange under 1311.

Yes, it's indisputable that a key issue in these cases will be whether an exchange established by the Department of Health and Human Services under 1321 is an exchange established by a state under 1311. It's silly that that's an issue at all, but the federal government's lawyers have to play the hand they've been dealt.
 
The website likely won't be fully working until late November, possibly December. Plans need to be finalized by Dec 15th in order to go into effect on Jan 1st...so yea, this is an utter disaster.
 
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thepotatoman

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The website likely won't be fully working until late November, possibly December. Plans need to be finalized by Dec 15th in order to go into effect on Jan 1st...so yea, this is an utter disaster.
That's terrible if true, but what makes you think it'll take that long?
 
The website likely won't be fully working until late November, possibly December. Plans need to be finalized by Dec 15th in order to go into effect on Jan 1st...so yea, this is an utter disaster.

Its getting better every day. What makes you think it won't be working for another month?
 

KingK

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The Daily Show's opening segment about CNBC's coverage of the JPMorgan settlement was fucking fantastic lol.

edit: Holy shit at this Voting Rights segment. That NC GOP committee member...I almost couldn't believe that wasn't scripted.
 

OMG big number! I see nothing that states that's how long it will take. The article also says there's 500 million lines. So they have to fix 1/50th of the website and they've already fixed a lot...


I think the article reveals whose really behind this

CGI Federal, a unit of the CGI Group, based in Montreal, has the biggest contract and is responsible for the architecture of major parts of the system, but not for its integration.
Ted Cruz got his Canadian friends to sabotage it!
 
OMG big number! I see nothing that states that's how long it will take. The article also says there's 500 million lines. So they have to fix 1/50th of the website and they've already fixed a lot...


I think the article reveals whose really behind this


Ted Cruz got his Canadian friends to sabotage it!

those damn Canadians! :lol
 
OMG big number! I see nothing that states that's how long it will take. The article also says there's 500 million lines. So they have to fix 1/50th of the website and they've already fixed a lot...


I think the article reveals whose really behind this


Ted Cruz got his Canadian friends to sabotage it!

Even then 500 million seems ridiculously high. Like excessively. Are they counting machine code cause that might put a number near that high.
 

xnipx

Member
Maryland doing its part...
I can't believe the nfl turned down the opportunity as much public money funds the fucking stadiums.

http://m.medicaldaily.com/baltimore-ravens-promote-obamacare-super-bowl-champs-sign-130k-deal-260719

The Super Bowl champion Baltimore Ravens have signed a sponsorship deal with Maryland Health Connection, the state’s online insurance exchange required under the Affordable Care Act known as Obamacare.

The deal surprised some in Washington, given the National Football League’s (NFL) decision in June to decline a sponsorship from the White House to promote the new federal-state health care exchanges. The state of Maryland will pay the Ravens $130,000 to promote the health care exchange throughout the regular football season, with an additional option should the “defending” champions improve their 3-4 record to make the postseason.
 
Larry Sabato

Having shifted North Carolina and Louisiana into the Democratic column, our current ratings give Democrats a 50 to 48 edge in the Senate, with two toss-ups in Alaska and Arkansas. Democrats are now favored to retain the Senate, which is the price the GOP has paid for the government shutdown. They’ve got a lot of work to do to ultimately net the six seats they need to flip the Upper Chamber. Even though Republicans can do so simply by turning over seats in states that Mitt Romney won in 2012, they’ll need the national environment to significantly improve for them in order to make their move.
 
Because their bubble isn't big enough:

Republicans are moving one step closer to claiming unique territory on the Internet: Websites that end in “.gop.”

The domain project fits into that vision, Gillespie said, because it can potentially “foster a broader sense of community” for Republicans on the Internet and boost GOP branding through sites such as news.gop or polling.gop.

Most people and groups seeking sites with .gop domains will be able to register them in “real time,” said President Chris Jankowski in a statement. “But certain names that are especially relevant to our community are subject to a different process for registration which is standard industry practice.”

Those premium sites – register.gop and jobs.gop are two possibilities – won’t be doled out on a first-come, first-served basis. Rather, the committee says it will seek to find the right custodian for those sites, to take the lead on developing them, or to forge partnerships between multiple Republican groups to manage them.

And the committee is developing a process to screen out mischief-makers who don’t actually represent Republican groups or candidates.

“There’ll be a process,” Gillespie said. “We don’t want people who are actually interested in harming the Republican Party [to get] a .gop, or people who espouse views that are antithetical to the party, or contrary to the United States for that matter, or offensive in terms of how they would operate it. So yeah, there is an element of control here.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/republicans-get-set-to-unveil-gop-98703.html#ixzz2ic6mq41K

I want www.unskewedpolls.gop

edit: haha, a comment said www.foxnews.gop flawless victory.
 
Because their bubble isn't big enough:

“There’ll be a process,” Gillespie said. “We don’t want people who are actually interested in harming the Republican Party [to get] a .gop, or people who espouse views that are antithetical to the party, or contrary to the United States for that matter, or offensive in terms of how they would operate it. So yeah, there is an element of control here.”

Good fucking luck.

I'd be up for buying a bunch. Have them all redirect to like lemonparty.org or marxists.org
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
So Jon Stewart interviewed Alan Greenspan the other day? Since I hadn't heard ANYONE mention this, I'm assuming it was a pretty lame interview?

Its an ad campaign. Do they not have to buy ads like other people?

Yeah, but that's practically gift wrapping a right wing talking point.
 
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thepotatoman

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Even then 500 million seems ridiculously high. Like excessively. Are they counting machine code cause that might put a number near that high.

It has to be something like that. That or the specialist is outright lieing for some reason. I honestly don't believe it

I'm actually a programer who works for a government contractor. Maybe I underestimate big projects since I've only been on 2 small projects so far, but I just can't believe it would be that big. I mean that literally, I think it's a fake statistic.

If it's really that big, then the $500 million dollar figure is probably accurate, and it'll need some huge maintenance costs to go with it, and moving to a new company would require a huge cost just to get everyone up to speed about what all that code means.

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jWILL253

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I feel like all the Red states in the South are colluding with the Supreme Court on a master plan to send us back to the 1950's.

These voting laws are atrocious, but they won't be removed for a while because there are neo-cons in the high courts. Racist, sexist neo-con judges scratching the backs of racist, sexist neo-con governors and congressmen...
 
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thepotatoman

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Obama conspiracies are easily the craziest conspiracy theories you'll ever hear.

Usually conspiracy theory start with identifying a motivation, and then finding any weak evidence you can to support it. With things like the Moon Landing, the Kennedy Assassination, and 9/11, the conspiracy theorists at least identified a very plausible motivation behind each of those conspiracies.

Obama conspiracies start out insane on the even motivation front. What supervillain sits down and thinks "poor people are more likely to vote for me, therefore I shall develop a complicated and diabolical scheme to make everyone poor so I can remain president forever!".
 
This is so insane that it reads like an Onion article.
How does Obama hook people on government with a government program that isn't working? It makes no sense. If Obamacare is a grand scheme to cripple America, it should be running smoothly to hook enough people...then screw them later. That's how scams work.
 

Diablos

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The argument being made by those challenging the IRS rule extending tax credits to federal exchanges is that the statute limits the availability of tax credits to state exchanges, and the IRS doesn't have the authority to contradict a statute by regulation.

The argument goes something like this (I'm summarizing this article):

1.) Section 1311 of the PPACA provides rules for states setting up an American Health Benefit Exchange. While the section provides that states "shall" set up those exchanges, the federal government can't command states to participate in federal programs.

2.) Recognizing that it couldn't actually command states to establish exchanges, Congress, in section 1321, requires the federal Dept. of Health and Human Services to establish exchanges in states that fail (or refuse) to do so in compliance with 1311.

3.) Section 1401 amends the Internal Revenue Code to provide a tax credit for certain taxpayers. The credit is equal to "the sum of the premium assistance amounts . . . with respect to all coverage months of the taxpayer" during the year. A "coverage month," in turn, is defined as any month if, "as of the first day of such month the taxpayer . . . is covered by a qualified health plan . . . that was enrolled in through an Exchange established by the State under section 1311" (and if the taxpayer pays the premium for coverage for such month). If an exchange wasn't established by the state under section 1311, then there can be no "coverage month," and if there is no "coverage month," then there can be no credit.

4.) Section 1513 amends the Internal Revenue Code to provide penalties to "applicable large employers" who fail to provide health insurance--this is the "employer mandate." However, the penalty is only triggered if "at least one full-time employee of the applicable large employer has . . . enrolled . . . in a qualified health plan with respect to which an applicable premium tax credit or cost-sharing reduction is allowed or paid with respect to the employee." "Applicable premium tax credit" refers to the credit created under section 1401; "cost-sharing reduction" refers to a cost-sharing reduction under section 1402. 1402 specifically states that "no cost-sharing reduction shall be allowed with respect to coverage for any month unless the month is a coverage month[.]" Hence, if an exchange wasn't established by the state under section 1311, then there can be no "coverage month," and if there is no "coverage month," then (a) there can be no credit (as mentioned above); (b) there can be no cost-sharing reduction; and (c) there is no employer mandate for employers in that state.

5.) Section 1501 imposes the "individual mandate," but exempts certain taxpayers who can't afford insurance. In determining whether a person can afford insurance, the law takes into account any credit allowed under section 1401. For at least some taxpayers--the article I'm summarizing estimates about 12 million--the availability of the credit would push them out of this exemption, and so impose a penalty. But, if there is no credit available, then those 12 million would not be subject to the penalty.

6.) Despite the plain language of the law, the IRS rule purports to extend the tax credits to individuals in states where the federal government has established an exchange. In effect, the IRS has (a) granted tax credits that Congress has not authorized and (b) raised taxes that Congress has not imposed. Regardless of whether you think credits should be available on federal exchanges, who can argue with the proposition that the IRS should not craft regulations that contradict acts of Congress?

This argument, when properly understood, is pretty persuasive. That's not to say that it will win, but it's well worth your time considering the actual argument being made rather than just a newspaper report summarizing it.
*facepalm*

Wonder if this will make its way to the SCOTUS... their original decision blew a hole right into the law, clearly ACA opponents are looking to exploit that...
 

xnipx

Member
So Jon Stewart interviewed Alan Greenspan the other day? Since I hadn't heard ANYONE mention this, I'm assuming it was a pretty lame interview?



Yeah, but that's practically gift wrapping a right wing talking point.

What talking point? We voted for Omalley to use our tax dollars as he sees fit. And using it to promote a law through the states most popular team seems legit to me.
 

FLEABttn

Banned
Hearings this morning about the ACA website violating HIPAA. I'm not sure how that would be ever be the case. Frank Pallone-D is on TV calling this a "monkey court".
 

zargle

Member
Hearings this morning about the ACA website violating HIPAA. I'm not sure how that would be ever be the case. Frank Pallone-D is on TV calling this a "monkey court".

This is funny to me, I have been in multiple Business Intelligence classes this last year, and in more than one HIPAA has come up and I have been told by professors and classmates that about 30% of hospitals and such are actually HIPAA compliant.
 
HIPAA is so dumb. Everyone I've met who has had to comply with it has said, "Oh, but it's just so easy to get around it!", and those who have actually tried to comply with its spirit, as well, have just made things more inconvenient for people like me who do actually want to share their medical information between doctors.
 
Did anybody see the Daily Show with Jon Stewart last night?

It featured Charles Krauthamer and it was pretty good. He acknowledged that the champion successes of Liberalism (The New Deal, Social Security, Medicare Medicaid) were great things. The way he argued for entitlement change was actually refreshing.

Typically the rhetoric behind changing entitlements is so disgusting and selfish sounding. Jon Stewart said something along the lines of "If more conservatives had actually phrased their argument like that, the conversation we as Americans would be having would be much different."

Instead, we have to deal with "Herp Derp Obama is a baby-killing socialist who just implemented death panels". And this kind of rhetoric has severely harmed the level of discourse in this country.
 

Wilsongt

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Did anybody see the Daily Show with Jon Stewart last night?

It featured Charles Krauthamer and it was pretty good. He acknowledged that the champion successes of Liberalism (The New Deal, Social Security, Medicare Medicaid) were great things. The way he argued for entitlement change was actually refreshing.

Typically the rhetoric behind changing entitlements is so disgusting and selfish sounding. Jon Stewart said something along the lines of "If more conservatives had actually phrased their argument like that, the conversation we as Americans would be having would be much different."

Instead, we have to deal with "Herp Derp Obama is a baby-killing socialist who just implemented death panels". And this kind of rhetoric has severely harmed the level of discourse in this country.

You're giving the current crop of republican leaders a little too much credit by thinking they can actually rephrase their rhetoric into an intelligent argument.

Their only area of expertise is managing to mangle logic into a series of false and shitty statements that are able to be understood by their constituents and then cause a bandwagon effect until it becomes a major talking point.

They earn gold medals in mental gymnastics and false platitudes.
 
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