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PoliGAF 2015 |OT| Keep Calm and Diablos On

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Chichikov

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lol @ the show ruining Dorne. The only kingdom to fend off the Targaryens and their dragons, reduced to Xena Warrior Princess goons.
Don't drag Xena into this schlock.

King David (yeah *that* king David): I know about Xena okay? I've written about her exploits.
Gabrielle: You write stories?
David: Mostly psalms, you wouldn't understand.

That show was a national treasure.
Game of Thrones is like porn, only with worse plot.
 
Don't drag Xena into this schlock.

King David (yeah *that* king David): I know about Xena okay? I've written about her exploits.
Gabrielle: You write stories?
David: Mostly psalms, you wouldn't understand.

That show was a national treasure.
Game of Thrones is like porn, only with worse plot.

It also seems to have totally ruined some people's ability to tolerate any character that's not distilled awesome. Any character they don't like or seems to have completed their "purpose" is to be killed, immediately!
 

ivysaur12

Banned
Kentucky has a Cyber Crime unit?!?!

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Huh. Is it true in some local areas? I was working in Northern Kentucky last semester on coop, and during orientation the HR lady tried to spin "right to work" as "you can quit any time you want to without even giving notice."

Wonder why she bothered, then?

Its powerful state wide and especially in the east.

and I hate pro "right to work" prop. (I may or many not work for labor btw, lol)

Kentucky has a Cyber Crime unit?!?!

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oscar award winning, thank you very much
 
It's especially funny with Christie, whose credentials as a moderate who could maybe carry the Northeast was basically all he had going for him. Now, he's thrown away the moderate, and between bridgegate and rooting for the cowboys he's thrown away the northeast.

He should've ran four years ago when donors were begging him to enter the race. Talk about shitting the bed.
 

Chichikov

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It also seems to have totally ruined some people's ability to tolerate any character that's not distilled awesome. Any character they don't like or seems to have completed their "purpose" is to be killed, immediately!
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Every character on that show *Is* distilled awesome.

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Dude, that's fucking Dawson. James Van Der Beek.

Now you've made him sad.

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He looks like he's got some kind of forehead extension.

Look at him in the CSI Cyber pic. Then look at the guy on the other side of the leading lady. Their chins are at the same height, but Van Der Beek's head keeps going for another 2-3 inches. What does he keep in there? Is he Megamind?

I have no idea what you're talking about.
Every character on that show *Is* distilled awesome.

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I meant GoT, lol.
 

ivysaur12

Banned
Sorry, I'm ignorant of Kentucky politics. Why are they going to elect a democratic governor?

Because they're still the unicorn that split tickets and because they (probably just) nominated a loony-bin Tea Partier as their nominee instead of someone more moderate.
 
In local politics, my hometown of Reading, PA had their mayoral primary today.

Reading is 58% Latino and not a single Latino ran for Mayor.

Instead, a 62-year old White guy in a city that's 29% White won the Democratic nomination over the incumbent Mayor, a Black man in his 60s (and my former middle school teacher, I'd like to add).

The other Dem candidates were also White and the lone Republican, of course was White.
 

KingK

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My god yes, I thought it was well litigated that they knew doubts but ignored them. The war was decided and they built a case about that.

Lets stop pretending we were all mislead, no. People were rasing questions since day one, the fastball or whoever's intel was know to be BS by the germans. The intel community didn't fail or was mislead. It was manipulated.

Its like watching the rewriting of history.

Yeah, i was only 11 years old when we invaded and i remember knowing even then about Hans Blix, the controversy over the shaky evidence, and the "freedom fries" fiasco when France didn't back our intelligence or invasion.

I have no idea what you're talking about.
Every character on that show *Is* distilled awesome.

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I used to love this show when i was a little kid. I saw the other day that it was up on Netflix and thought about checking it out, as i remember almost nothing about it.
 

NeoXChaos

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The Kentucky Governors race is ultimately going to be a test of whether state politics are still separate from federal politics at least in Kentucky's case. Montana, West Virginia and Missouri will have their test in 2016 as they are the remaining states that vote Republican for President but have Democratic Governors.
 

ivysaur12

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The Kentucky Governors race is ultimately going to be a test of whether state politics are still separate from federal politics at least in Kentucky's case. Montana, West Virginia and Missouri will have their test in 2016 as they are the remaining states that vote Republican for President but have Democratic Governors.

Well, Montana is trending blue, while the other are trending Red, so I wouldn't really use those in the same breath. Also, Montana's population is much smaller than those other states, making more volatile swings more likely.
 

User 406

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Sorry, I'm ignorant of Kentucky politics. Why are they going to elect a democratic governor?

In the coal mining areas, Dixiecrat union populism has persisted in outweighing Dixiecrat racism.

Coal mining is a brutally nasty and dangerous job, and the people who do it aren't as easily turned towards giving up their hard won bargaining power for the sake of Southern Strategy identity politics.
 

Wilsongt

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Herp de derp derp derp. I guess Romney cam use this defense now. too?

Walker has been accused of altering his views on immigration policy, and perhaps changing them back, and changing them again*. When Baier asked him how potential voters could trust him given his fast feet, Walker said the shift didn’t actually count because he’d never been in a position to influence immigration policy.

“There’s not a flip out there,” Walker said. “A flip would be someone who voted on something and did something different. I don’t have any impact on immigration as a governor or former county official.”


As Lewis points out, “This new rule would seem to entrap his opponents who are in the U.S. Senate, while largely granting him a get-out-of-jail-free card on a large number of issues.”
 
Interesting approach when federal government has failed.

California and leaders of 11 states and provinces signed an agreement on Tuesday to limit their output of heat-trapping greenhouse gases 80 to 95 percent by 2050, a goal they hope will help prevent runaway climate change.

The target, which is based on a 1990 benchmark, will allow the individual governments, which collectively represent more than $4.5 trillion in GDP and 100 million people, to tailor reduction plans to fit their regional needs.

Called "Under 2 MOU" for a Memorandum of Understanding designed to help keep global temperature increase below 2 degrees Celsius, the pact seeks to provide a template for countries to follow to cut emissions.

The temperature mark is the warming threshold at which governments say climate change could become catastrophic and irreversible.

Later this year at a United Nations climate change conference in Paris, negotiators will attempt to reach an international agreement for nations to cut emissions.

“This global challenge requires bold action on the part of governments everywhere,” California Governor Jerry Brown said on Tuesday. “It’s time to be decisive. It’s time to act.”

Signatories of the agreement were Acre, Brazil; Baden-Württemberg, Germany; Baja California, Mexico; Catalonia, Spain; Jalisco, Mexico; Ontario, Canada, British Columbia, Canada; Wales, and the U.S. states of Oregon, Vermont and Washington.

Ontario Environment Minister Glen Murray described the agreement as one of the strongest of any under international negotiations and gives sub-national governments a common voice at the Paris conference.

"We are actually locking ourselves in to a very clear set of objectives and a very clear way of demonstrating how we achieve those objectives,” Murray said in an interview with Reuters on Tuesday. “That's an historic first."

In April, Ontario said it plans to join California and Quebec's carbon cap-and-trade system, North America's largest.

California sets an overall limit on carbon emissions and allows businesses to hand in permits to meet their obligations. The governor in April issued an executive order to cut greenhouse gas emissions 40 percent by 2030.

The plan for how California will achieve the 2030 target will be hammered out over the next year by the California Air Resources Board (ARB), which oversees the cap-and-trade program.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/05/19/us-climate-change-agreements-idUKKBN0O42IV20150519?irpc=932

Jerry Brown does what Obawon't
 

Wilsongt

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Are we going to continue to forget the days of a super-majority, when Obama was too busy making fancy speeches to actually pass legislation?

Yes, Im still bitter about how badly he fucked up his first year.

Unfortunately, he was too busy trying to fix a shattered economy to worry about the climate during that period.

http://news.yahoo.com/religious-objections-bill-rejected-la-house-committee-192405611.html

Jindal is taking a page out of Emperor Obama's book.

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) — Louisiana lawmakers on Tuesday shelved a divisive religious objections bill pushed by Gov. Bobby Jindal that has thrust the state into the national debate about where religious freedoms end and the rights of same-sex couples begin.

But the Republican governor, who is courting Christian conservatives for a likely presidential bid, quickly fought back against the defeat, seeking to enact the bill's provisions without legislative support.

Both Republicans and Democrats on a House legal committee voted 10-2 for a procedural move designed to kill the proposal, ending weeks of controversy about the bill and handing Jindal a significant defeat for his legislative agenda.

Hours after the bill was rejected, Jindal issued an executive order aimed at doing the same thing as the bill, only on a smaller scale limited to the executive branch.

"What we are seeing today in America is an all-out assault on religious liberty," said Jindal, who called the executive order the "next best thing" to signing the bill.

The order would be effective several months beyond his administration's end unless Louisiana's next governor rescinds it, Jindal said.

Stephen Perry, a vocal critic of the bill who heads up the New Orleans Convention and Visitors Bureau, dismissed Jindal's order as "largely a political statement" that "will have very little practical impact."

Perry, a former chief of staff to one of the state's previous Republican governors, said case law and even the state constitution limit the governor's ability to rule by fiat.

"No Executive Order of a governor may create substantive law, even in an emergency situation," he said in a statement.

Meanwhile, Rep. Mike Johnson, the lawmaker who sponsored the proposal, said he would push for another hearing this legislative session.

"We don't throw in the towel. We always stand for freedom," said the Bossier City Republican. "We're entering a new era in America where changing ideas about the institution of marriage conflict with the old ideas about religious freedom."

Louisiana's constitution bans same-sex marriage, and there are no statewide discrimination protections for gays and lesbians. But Johnson proposed the bill because he predicts a U.S. Supreme Court ruling expected in June will strike down gay marriage bans across the country.

As written, the proposed law would prohibit the state from denying individuals, businesses and nonprofits any licenses, benefits, jobs or tax deductions because of action taken "in accordance with a religious belief or moral conviction" about marriage
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Opiate

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Anyone who lives in Louisiana can tell you he was never reasonable. He was just young and an ethnic minority in the republican party.

I agree. There are so few that any which exist are given very ample opportunity to succeed.

The reason why you get prominent politicians as inept as Jindal is a direct consequence of this: if your party needs prominent minority candidates but only a small handful of minority candidates even exist in the first place, then you're going to end up having to prop up some very bad candidates.

By contrast, there is a far greater number of minority Democrat candidates, so they can choose to weed out the crazies. Not that crazy/bad Democrat minorities do not exist, just that they don't have to be given a podium because Democrats have a variety of alternatives available.
 

Wilsongt

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Ted Cruz is good at hitting all the spaces on that false equivalency bingo.

“Is there something about the left — and I am going to put the media in this category — that is obsessed with sex?” Cruz said after many questions about same-sex marriage and gay rights. “ISIS is executing homosexuals — you want to talk about gay rights? This week was a very bad week for gay rights because the expansion of ISIS, the expansion of radical, theocratic, Islamic zealots that crucify Christians, that behead children and that murder homosexuals — that ought to be concerning you far more than asking six questions all on the same topic.”
 
Ted Cruz is good at hitting all the spaces on that false equivalency bingo.

Eh to be honest I'm still puzzled why liberals have no problem attacking right wing Christians yet suddenly have little to say about Islamic extremists who have similarly ignorant views on a host of issues, and also want to force others to abide by their laws. I've been hearing for years about how dangerous fundamentalist Christians are, according to the left. Aren't fundamentalist Muslims just as bad if not worse?

My general view is that all three Abrahamic religions are trash so I'm biased.
 

OmniOne

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Ted Cruz is good at hitting all the spaces on that false equivalency bingo.

He's right. I need to stop insisting on trampling on other peoples religious freedom to deny me equal protection under the law. I should just be glad I'm not getting stoned to death in public.

Keep touching the gay stove.*popcorn.gif*
 

Wilsongt

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Eh to be honest I'm still puzzled why liberals have no problem attacking right wing Christians yet suddenly have little to say about Islamic extremists who have similarly ignorant views on a host of issues, and also want to force others to abide by their laws. I've been hearing for years about how dangerous fundamentalist Christians are, according to the left. Aren't fundamentalist Muslims just as bad if not worse?

My general view is that all three Abrahamic religions are trash so I'm biased.

Well, for one, Islamic extremists aren't trying to run for President of the US. Secondly, Islamic extremist aren't making our laws. Third, the US really should be leading by example given our place in the world, and having people like Cruz in power and keeping our laws about equality firmly in Puritan colonial days says a lot about how we as a country function and treat our people.

So, yeah, I think it's well within our right to criticize the right wing idiots when they do stuff like this as opposed to just ignore it to denounce Islamic extremists.

Besides, the US already has an entire network devoted to being against Islam and Muslims. It's called Fox.
 
Well, for one, Islamic extremists aren't trying to run for President of the US. Secondly, Islamic extremist aren't making our laws. Third, the US really should be leading by example given our place in the world, and having people like Cruz in power and keeping our laws about equality firmly in Puritan colonial days says a lot about how we as a country function and treat our people.

So, yeah, I think it's well within our right to criticize the right wing idiots when they do stuff like this as opposed to just ignore it to denounce Islamic extremists.

Besides, the US already has an entire network devoted to being against Islam and Muslims. It's called Fox.

They aren't trying to run for president, one is already president!

I'm not saying the far right wing shouldn't be criticized, they more than deserve it. I'm just saying it seems to me that both religions share quite a bit of retrograde nonsense that shouldn't be defended.
 
They aren't trying to run for president, one is already president!

I'm not saying the far right wing shouldn't be criticized, they more than deserve it. I'm just saying it seems to me that both religions share quite a bit of retrograde nonsense that shouldn't be defended.

Absolutely. The same is true of the Hasidic block. They actually run illegal sex segregated buses in NYC but because theyre so connected, nothing gets done.
 

Wilsongt

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They aren't trying to run for president, one is already president!

I'm not saying the far right wing shouldn't be criticized, they more than deserve it. I'm just saying it seems to me that both religions share quite a bit of retrograde nonsense that shouldn't be defended.

Last time I checked, no one in the media or anywhere was defending Islamic extremists.
 
Eh to be honest I'm still puzzled why liberals have no problem attacking right wing Christians yet suddenly have little to say about Islamic extremists who have similarly ignorant views on a host of issues, and also want to force others to abide by their laws. I've been hearing for years about how dangerous fundamentalist Christians are, according to the left. Aren't fundamentalist Muslims just as bad if not worse?

My general view is that all three Abrahamic religions are trash so I'm biased.
What are we supposed to do about fundamentalist Muslims? Fundamentalist Muslims don't run America (except Obama hardy har har), but fundamentalist Christians have and do to some degree.

Maybe if Ted Cruz were running for president of Uzbekibekistan we could ask about gay people getting executed but in the context of U.S. politics gay rights are a domestic issue. He should have an answer for that instead of fearmongering about ISIS more.

Poll of Washington state: Gov Jay Inslee and Sen Patty Murray both lead only five points against former AG Rob McKenna, but double digits against anyone else. Gay marriage, legal marijuana and background checks on gun sales continue to be popular. While WA is a pretty solid blue state it does occasionally elect a token Republican so it's good to see we probably don't have to worry about Inslee or Murray.
 
In local politics, my hometown of Reading, PA had their mayoral primary today.

Reading is 58% Latino and not a single Latino ran for Mayor.

Instead, a 62-year old White guy in a city that's 29% White won the Democratic nomination over the incumbent Mayor, a Black man in his 60s (and my former middle school teacher, I'd like to add).

The other Dem candidates were also White and the lone Republican, of course was White.

In PA myself, but not reading. Minorities not showing up for primaries and off year elections here is not a new thing.

My county is slightly more democratic than republican, with a significant minority presence. Yet every single county council member is a white republican, and a democrat has NEVER been elected to the judiciary.

Explaining why primaries and off year elections are important to marginalized populations is almost an exercise in futility. NOTHING is effective.
 
http://www.vox.com/2015/5/20/8629639/lorella-praeli-clinton

By that measure, the Clinton campaign has just passed an extremely important test. Clinton has already hired her 2016 national director of Latino outreach. And the woman she's hired is a leading immigrant-rights activist — someone with more experience confronting politicians about their shortcomings than consulting them.

Clinton knows her path is paved by making sure there is an even higher Latino turnout in 2016.
 

NeoXChaos

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Any type of immigration reform proposed by a potential Hillary Clinton Administration is going to have to sadly get through a Republican House.
 
http://www.vox.com/2015/5/20/8629639/lorella-praeli-clinton

Clinton knows her path is paved by making sure there is an even higher Latino turnout in 2016.
Blue Texas, baby!

Any type of immigration reform proposed by a potential Hillary Clinton Administration is going to have to sadly get through a Republican House.
Nah, Clinton just needs to win by a large enough margin to swing the House. Then we'll be in for some good times*

*until 2018 when the country loses its shit again.
 

Wilsongt

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Blue Texas, baby!


Nah, Clinton just needs to win by a large enough margin to swing the House. Then we'll be in for some good times*

*until 2018 when the country loses its shit again.

One day... ONE DAY, there will be laws that restrict gerrymandering...

Until President Cruz gets sworn in, puts all conservatives on the SCOTUS and makes gerrymandering the one true way of the land.
 

ivysaur12

Banned
http://www.omaha.com/news/legislatu...4-8fed-77aa55beae0d.html#.VVys6ZfyxbY.twitter

LINCOLN — For the first time in 36 years, the Nebraska Legislature has voted to end the death penalty.

With Gov. Pete Ricketts expected to veto the repeal bill, attention now turns to an override vote that will likely take place next week.

Lawmakers voted 32-15 Wednesday to give third-round approval to Legislative Bill 268, which replaces lethal injection with a maximum punishment of life in prison. A minimum of 30 votes is needed to override a veto.

As they did during the second round of debate, opponents once again filibustered the bill in an attempt to derail it for the session. But lawmakers voted 34-14 to cut off debate.

Sen. Ernie Chambers of Omaha, who has championed the cause of repeal for more than four decades, said nothing could be said to change the minds of people who had reached a principled decision on a very difficult issue.

"The record should be crystal clear on what it is we are doing; it is historic," Chambers said. "We have the opportunity to take one small step for the Legislature, a giant leap for civilization."

The Legislature voted on one other occasion to repeal the death penalty, 36 years ago in 1979. But former Gov. Charles Thone vetoed the measure, and Chambers couldn’t find the 30 votes for an override.

A reminder that the Nebraska legislature is unicameral and officially nonpartisan. And that Chambers has been a member of the legislature for 40 years.
 
http://www.omaha.com/news/legislatu...4-8fed-77aa55beae0d.html#.VVys6ZfyxbY.twitter

A reminder that the Nebraska legislature is unicameral and officially nonpartisan.
I wonder if this helps them legislate. Obviously everyone knows who's a Democrat and who's a Republican in the legislature, and the governor is a partisan office, but I feel there would be less knee-jerk support or opposition to legislation if people didn't know which parties and politicians supported it. (e.g. PPP polling people on Obama's support for repealing the Public Works Act of 1975 - unsurprisingly Democrats agreed and Republicans disagreed with independents splitting, even though there's no such thing as the Public Works Act of 1975)
 

NeoXChaos

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One day... ONE DAY, there will be laws that restrict gerrymandering...

Until President Cruz gets sworn in, puts all conservatives on the SCOTUS and makes gerrymandering the one true way of the land.

Apparently it would not help.

@Kyle Kondik

However, gerrymandering is almost certainly overrated as a cause of the United States' political sclerosis 3/8

We could have nationally uniform & "fair" - whatever that means - redistricting, & we'd still have a deeply polarized Congress 4/8

Obvious example - look at the increasing partisanship of the Senate, where redistricting plays no role 5/8

Desire to over-blame gerrymandering for larger political problems gets at a small-p progressive impulse 6/8
 

Wilsongt

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As soon as you can tweet your vote it'll be all over.

#whatisvoting #lolidontknow #thisguyiscute #myvoteisyours #letmetakeaselfiewhileivote #myfoodishere #heresapicture #ihatethehashtagtrend #itsallovermyfacebook #everyoneuseslike50ofthemtodescribesomethig #iwokeuplikethis
 

NeoXChaos

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Then I guess it'll only get worse from here on out because young people are fucking lazy and won't vote.

Gerrymandering has been around since the beginning. Both parties do it. What would we like to see done about the House? There is no way redistricting can make every House(435) seat competitive with the way the population is concentrated in these states. As long as we keep having low turnout elections with the vast majority of states having elections in them, nothing changes.

idk why we cant have everything in a Presidential Year? We've had midterms since the beginning but it may be now time to change that with the low turnout going back decades.
 
Any type of immigration reform proposed by a potential Hillary Clinton Administration is going to have to sadly get through a Republican House.

The only chance for immigration reform passing in the next 5-6 years is Jeb Bush winning the presidency next year. If not it won't happen. There's no way republicans allow Hillary to get it done, whereas the framework is in place for a republican president to get it done; all Boehner needs to do is put the bill on the floor
 
The only chance for immigration reform passing in the next 5-6 years is Jeb Bush winning the presidency next year. If not it won't happen. There's no way republicans allow Hillary to get it done, whereas the framework is in place for a republican president to get it done; all Boehner needs to do is put the bill on the floor
The last Bush tried to pass immigration reform with a Republican Congress and it didn't happen so I find your thesis flawed.
 

NeoXChaos

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The only chance for immigration reform passing in the next 5-6 years is Jeb Bush winning the presidency next year. If not it won't happen. There's no way republicans allow Hillary to get it done, whereas the framework is in place for a republican president to get it done; all Boehner needs to do is put the bill on the floor

EDIT: W didn't have a Republican Congress in 2007, Jeb Bush would so you might have a point.
 

pigeon

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The only chance for immigration reform passing in the next 5-6 years is Jeb Bush winning the presidency next year. If not it won't happen. There's no way republicans allow Hillary to get it done, whereas the framework is in place for a republican president to get it done; all Boehner needs to do is put the bill on the floor

Pfft.

1. If Republicans win the presidency next year, they have no reason to pass immigration.

2. Boehner was never the immigration champion. The guy trying to push immigration through the house was Eric Cantor. Remember him?

Hillary is the best choice for immigration just in the sense that she'll maintain Obama's executive orders. Those orders are kind of a cynical power grab -- as long as they exist, people who care about immigration pretty much have to vote Democratic, because they'll be gone as soon as a GOP president gets in. But Congress won't legislate, so.
 
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