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PoliGAF 2015 |OT2| Pls print
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That kid actually grew up enough to think for himself and became a liberal.
Jesus, people are dumb. Perhaps the reason he doesn't invite shooting victims' families to the White House is because he'd be expecting house guests every fucking day then?
RevengeOfDoh
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Oh man, this CJ kid is awesome! He certainly knows how to find his niche and make those dollars!
NYCmetsfan
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He's a liberal now
Ignatz Mouse
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I also hope somebody calls her out on the "it was a massive downturn" if she tries to paint the last 7 years as some sort of Obama failure. Like, does she extend that thinking to his record? In which case she should consider him the best President for the economy ever.
RustyNails
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Ignatz Mouse
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Did I tell you all abut the 1984 Reagan Rally I attended, and how the local campaign people gave us Reagan signs to hold up to block line of sight to the protesters?
Or the essay I won a couple of hundred bucks for writing, about how to dismantle unions?
Yeah, my views are different now.
Ah, youth...
I remember vehemently arguing against same sex marriage on forums much like this when I was young!
I also voted for Bush my first time voting
Did not know you have political blood in family. I promised Aaron if he ran for anything I would be his staffer. Maybe you might make the jump first and I can readjust the situation. If you get the spark to do it one day lol.
You and me both buddyAh, youth...
I remember vehemently arguing against same sex marriage on forums much like this when I was young!
I also voted for Bush my first time voting
Did both of those things when I was younger.brainchild
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Seems like, for whatever reason, you don't want to play ball. I merely asked you to entertain a hypothetical. It was a thought experiment, and you've gone off the deep end and assumed that I've drank the kool-aid and believe Bernie is going to change the world.
Anyway, I think Bernie's express and overt villainizing of the government and congress is enough to set him apart. Anyone can say "support me in the long term", but there has to be incentive, and I believe that's the unique angle that Bernie is coming from. The Oligarchy and special interests groups are a real and tangible source of corruption of our government and Bernie has openly and publicly declared himself and his supporters to be their adversary. Asserting to change how politics will influence the governing of this country at the fundamental level is NOT a tried and true methodology, and most politicians have just accepted the status quo, doing what little they can to effectively change policy. It is that pivotal distinction that makes his need for post-election support much more necessary and significant than most candidates asking for post-election support.
None of this matters anyway, because it's not like I'm saying that these things are going to happen, or are even likely to happen. I was simply interested in knowing, hypothetically, at what point would you consider his efforts revolutionary. You refused to answer the question.
And I'm not conflating political success with revolution. However, I don't think they have to be mutually exclusive. I don't see how you could say with a straight face that if we had our government completely restructured to the point where we could have, for instance, candidates running for president via publicly funded elections instead of Super PACs, that it wouldn't be revolutionary. And who knows, maybe you would say that was revolutionary, but I wouldn't know because you didn't want to play ball.
I don't know what crawled up your ass and has got you so stuck on your talking points that you couldn't even entertain a hypothetical situation in which Bernie could do something revolutionary for this country, but it's not even that serious.
Anyway, this is an utterly pointless discussion at this point. Hopefully PoliGAF can amuse me with something actually worth talking about, as I'm already bored still talking about this.
You and me both buddy
Around that election though was where I was starting to slide into being more liberal. I suppose because that's about when it started to matter, so I started to look into things. My ultimate reason or voting Bush over Kerry was so stupid, though. I knew Bush screwed things up, but I didn't think it was right letting someone so profoundly against what Bush had done in to try and clean it up. I thought things would go more smoothly to have Bush continue on with the plan rather than switching gears half way and pulling out of Iraq quickly.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...753?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Don't fuck this up, Florida Dem primary voters
Don't fuck this up, Florida Dem primary voters
I didn't come around until 2006-2007. Registered democrat to vote for Obama in the primary and never looked back. Came around to same sex marriage because I had a buddy who was gay and I think that's what started to change everything for me. That and Obama is a hell of a charismatic guy who convinced me he was the best guy for the job.
I was weird on same sex marriage for a while. Like, I didn't care about gay relationships or anything like that, I just thought that complaining for marriage was stupid for some reason. For a while I did think they should get the same rights via civil unions. Then I think I was more for abolishing marriage as a state institution and really just thought civil unions should be for everyone instead.
Realistically it was forums like these and getting called on my bullshit all the time that made me change over that period of time between 2004 and 2008. By 2008 I was probably a bit more liberal, though I still kind of thought there was two sides to everything. One of those both sides are the same sorts. I thought McCain had some good qualities, and actually liked that he had more experience back then. It wasn't really until he tapped Palin that I bailed the fuck out hard. That was around the time I really started researching a lot more and I think my trajectory really went quickly toward liberalism. By the time the election actually came about I was so firmly in Obama's camp it was ridiculous. When he won I was fucking beaming with happiness naively thinking that my generation had done something big, and younger people were now in charge!
Yeah, lol.
Oh, I also remembered one funny thing about when I was younger. Since I was conservative obviously people would say I had some fucking racist stances (and I did). My retort for a while was no way, because I would have totally supported Alan Keyes during his run for presidency! I remember both me and my dad loving that guy back then.
Ignatz Mouse
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I voted for Dukakis in my first election. I didn't identify as liberal until the 2000s, but I All of the mess of the back half of the Reagan years turned me off the GOP, and it's gotten worse since then.
Did Congress work back then? Was the fever pitch in polarization hit when Clinton lost Congress or when Obama was elected?
Roland_Gunner
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My first vote was for Nader in 2000. I'm from Texas though so it wasn't more of a waste than voting for Gore.
Jack Remington
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I'm kind of embarrassed to say that my first vote was for Arnold Schwarzennegger in the CA recall election. Fuck Gray Davis though.
Graceland is a pretty classic album, though his best stuff was with Garfunkel.
Graceland is a pretty classic album, though his best stuff was with Garfunkel.
It worked a damn sight better than it does now, but that's when Gingrich fucked everything up and started the whole polarization mess.
Also, a big thing at the time was the rise of conservative TV and radio shows like The Morton Downey Jr. Show and Rush Limbaugh, which really helped with the whole conservative revolution whipping the Republican base into a frenzy. I remember seeing some of that stuff on cable and thinking how ugly it all seemed, people shouting and insulting each other. It was like pro wrestling with suits. It was all downhill from there.
Pretty cool to know about your political beliefs changing over time, guys. I'll share my mini-timeline; I was a conservative catholic up until 2006, moderate up until 2009, then I finally became very liberal at that point. Glad things turned out the way they did in regards to my situation changing my beliefs. I was a selfish mofo. Hopefully one day I get to join in on the election fun!
Hopefully one day I get to join in on the election fun!Ignatz Mouse
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Manky has it.
It's also worth noting that Congress "worked" in the sense that it mainly brought home pork for districts in exchange for votes on other matters. Nowadays, that pork is pretty much locked in, so there's no basic deal in place.
I'm not sure if that's moving forward or backward, but it certainly isn't in an operational state now.
It's also worth noting that Congress "worked" in the sense that it mainly brought home pork for districts in exchange for votes on other matters. Nowadays, that pork is pretty much locked in, so there's no basic deal in place.
I'm not sure if that's moving forward or backward, but it certainly isn't in an operational state now.
Avon Barksdale
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I had a conservative phase...when I was like 11 years old.
PantherLotus
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My first vote was for Al Gore, 2000. Though I was a big fan of Clinton from '92 on. The Democratic party has been the 'cool' party since before I can recall.
Poodlestrike
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Personally, I grew up in a household where my dad was hardcore republican (not that he'd ever admit it, he claims to be independent to this day), and my mom was a flaming liberal. I took more after her, thank god (though I'll admit that I'm not as liberal as a lot of people here, especially when it comes to foreign policy). Was too young to vote in 2008, but I've gone straight D down the ticket ever since.
Retromelon
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Posted by SomePeopleSayThatCucumbersTasteBetterPickled:
Which prompted this reply from Muppetwarior:
Lololololol
brainchild
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Bernie, hair comb... ever heard of one? Jesus the man needs to work on his appearance. Truly unkempt. You're running for president for God's sake!
PhoenixDark
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but I thought commenting on a candidate's attire or appearance is out of bounds
I miss Benji. I can't do this by myself.
Coriolanus
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Won't fix it. Needs hair spray or mousse.
Or he could just trim it really short.
I've no idea why he keeps it like that. Gotta be on purpose. Guess it might help get outsider cred or whatever.
And who would be silly enough to propose that in the year of Trump?
brainchild
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Wait, is this true? I'm still new here, so I can't tell if you're joking.
This has probably been posted but:
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/9/17/kids_who_had_privilege_like_you
Like, I'm typically no fans of libertarians but Paul makes sense on a decent amount of issues. Also on foreign policy.
Of course, that just means he really has no shot.
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/9/17/kids_who_had_privilege_like_you
Like, I'm typically no fans of libertarians but Paul makes sense on a decent amount of issues. Also on foreign policy.
Of course, that just means he really has no shot.
You guys are all old farts.
My dad voted for Bill Clinton in 1997. I was in the voting booth but I was too young to figure out the levers.
Never had a conservative phase. Lucky for me, my extended family never talked politics with us kids, so the pile of us grew up liberals because we got our societal education elsewhere. Just last year my uncle told us that AIDS happens because of gay people. We had a very loud row in public at a Chinese restaurant.
It was awkward.
My dad voted for Bill Clinton in 1997. I was in the voting booth but I was too young to figure out the levers.
Never had a conservative phase. Lucky for me, my extended family never talked politics with us kids, so the pile of us grew up liberals because we got our societal education elsewhere. Just last year my uncle told us that AIDS happens because of gay people. We had a very loud row in public at a Chinese restaurant.
It was awkward.
Paul makes up for his enlightened stance on drug decriminalization with economic policies that will hurt the fuck out of underprivileged people. And yes, thankfully, he has no shot.
Thequietone
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Don't think I ever had a conservative phase. Too young to vote for Gore and Kerry didn't matter since I live in a deep blue state when it comes to national elections. Voted for Obama both times and I'll be voting liberal for the rest of my life most likely.
Third Strike
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I'm from a black family that has always voted Democrat. However, my family is definitely more conservative than I am on certain issues, like same-sex marriage, abortion, immigration, and the separation of the church and state. I voted twice for Obama, voted during the last three midterms, voted in my city's local races, and will vote in 2016.
RustyNails
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What the fuck was Carly talking about the alive fetus on the table in a PP video, as people were discussing harvesting its brain? I havent seen any leaked PP videos so far. Is it true?
Well, yes, that's where Paul falls apart.
There is a shot in a separate documentary of a fetus that is moving (due to being alive or just reflex is unknown) but it is stock footage and not from PP and there is no conversation or even people in the shot. In that same documentary there is an interview with a woman who worked for a company (again, not PP) who was asked to harvest a brain. The bit about keeping the fetus alive is not in any video.
Retromelon
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Me too bro. Nobody else posts with me til 3 in the morning about nixon or old firing line clips.
How did i get this impression you were older than me all this time.
RustyNails
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In other words, she lied through her teeth? Disgusting. Media treating Carly with kiddie gloves because Trump is old news now.
Lucent's fall was way more dramatic, the stock collapsed from $80 dollars to about $3 dollars in two years, and it never recovered. HP looks like a success story by comparison. Fiorina was already installed as HP's CEO before the stock run up, but there were seriously dubious accounting tricks when she was there.
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