A Human Becoming
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I think Hillary's only significant loss was losing the woman vote here by 11 points. Besides that she still has everything going for her.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT| Ask us about our performance with Latinos in Nevada
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disastermouse
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I dunno, I think he knows exactly what he's doing.
Don't you mean lost? If she won women that's a pretty good sign going forward into states that are more even and where she is more favored.
EDIT: You caught it just as I was typing that out :lol
Basileus777
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Getting clobbered with blue collar workers isn't an especially good look for her either given that they were central to her 08 coalition. Her present support now looks more like Obama in 08, minorities and college educated whites.
Honestly the worst example of that imo was when he pivoted from a comment on profiling Muslims to income inequality.
That was just terrible.
Overall I have no problem whatsoever with where he puts his focus.
Spoiled Milk
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This race is starting to remind me of this Onion article.
http://www.theonion.com/article/hillary-clinton-to-nation-do-not-fuck-this-up-for--38416
http://www.theonion.com/article/hillary-clinton-to-nation-do-not-fuck-this-up-for--38416
The Onion said:
You don't need to be a high information voter to feel like you're quality of life is worse than your parents. People like to deride Trump and Bernie supporters for not "getting it" and while it may be true that their supporters don't fully understand the political process, you can't tell them what they feel is wrong. This economy has been great for the top 20% of earners but for the average person, their wages have not gone up while healthcare, education and housing has gone up. More establishment politics does you no good when you've gone through both the Bush and Obama years and not see yourself getting ahead. While Trump and Bernie might not win this election cycle, this feeling isn't going away.
I think Clinton got that support in 08 because Obama was black and blue collar whites are......
Rafa=FedKilla
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I love this guy in the SC focus group that just decided to vote for Trump. "Because he's a winner."
theprodigy
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delegate allocation on the Republican side looks to be
11 Trump
3 Kasich
2 Cruz/Bush/Rubio
good thing all the leftover delegates go to the winner huh, or not depending on your perspective
Democratic side is 15 Sanders/9 Clinton
11 Trump
3 Kasich
2 Cruz/Bush/Rubio
good thing all the leftover delegates go to the winner huh, or not depending on your perspective
Democratic side is 15 Sanders/9 Clinton
A Human Becoming
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Has he been asleep before the caucus?
Bless his little heart, he's going to help me win beer money for the year and a half. Even if Trump wins the whole enchilada I won't care because I'll be drunk for most of it.
And_Gignac
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The demographics game is really interesting this time around.
Obama had men, young and black voters. Sanders has two of those demographics, while not being as far behind as Obama was with hispanics (Clinton was really dominating with them in 08).
But, the more clear divides, as I have been saying, are with older vs younger voters.
Going with a longshot candidate doesn't mean they don't understand the political process.
Have you ever considered that maybe they feel as though Bernie is the bets bet to get America on the right path even if they don't believe he'll get everything he wants to get done done? That having someone who makes people enthusiastic and actually puts major focus on voter turnout could not only get more people to vote in non presidential election and give hope to aspiring politicians to join the process, while also possibly putting together a plan to increase awareness among the American public with the power he would hold as president?
At least in the circles i'm in online they're no more non politics savvy than the Hilary supporters.
(generally, I know some people who aren't for both candidates, like republicans who believe Hilary is the anti-christ so they want to vote for Bernie)
There's a pretty clear racial divide as well, Bernie's only competitive with Hispanics 18-24.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Can't wait for the post NH bump SC polls. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
How does Bernie do with young black voters?
Badly.
And_Gignac
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Well the polls are all over the place. I have seen him trailing Clinton only by 12% (PP, a Clinton-favoring poll!), while in other polls he is behind by 40. Nevada will certainly give us more hindsight about it, and probably we will get more nationals taking into account racial divides with their results.
As Politico accurately notes, The Dem race is about to get racial.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Jeb spent $35 million on ads in NH, jesus fucking christ.
shinra-bansho
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Sanders has made some Super Tuesday ad buys in Minnesota, Colorado, Massachusetts, and Oklahoma; basically, the states with the lowest minority populations besides Vermont.
Now that NH is over the remaining Democratic primary electorate is just under half minority voters.
Campaign assumption still seems to be that minorities don't know him, but once they do they'll be for him.
Now that NH is over the remaining Democratic primary electorate is just under half minority voters.
Campaign assumption still seems to be that minorities don't know him, but once they do they'll be for him.
Cesare Borgia
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Same reason Adele isn't going to walk into my bedroom tonight. Too good to be true. Just don't buy it.
I'd rather have JLaw if we're taking orders, she seems like she'd be more fun.
Considering the point in the calendar they should really start rethinking this assumption. They've only got so much time until South Carolina and they can't be wasting time.
Officerrob
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Well that's telling. We really need more polling in Nevada and South Carolina.
neurosisxeno
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I could see him taking Minnesota, Colorado, and Mass. I'm not sure what the electorate is like in OK at all, but I know the other 3 have been trending liberal since Obama took office--with Franken being one of the only people to win handily in 2014 and Colorado being heavily invested in pro-legalization.
Cesare Borgia
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Doesn't do anything for me. I like big women.
And_Gignac
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He should spend HARD in Texas. Open primary, he may be able to be competitive with hispanics and well, it seems the Clinton strongholds in 08 can really transform now into Sanders strongholds.
Him winning Texas would be wow for him.
It'd be really funny if Bernie took Hillary's old states and Hillary took Obama's.
Ogrekiller
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Of course.
The best part is the conclusion that no, Bernie doesn't have a long term plan for getting America on the right path. Because he is not inspiring people to vote at levels that really matter, for down ballot races and for his campaign. He may inspire young voters but they're fickle and bound to abandon him the first moment he shows signs of compromise which will inevitably happen once he gets into office. He shows no interest in supporting the Democratic Party- even as he is trying to use its platform as a means to advance his revolution. Simply put, he is alienating too many people for any meaningful change to occur, and he risks incurring a backlash the moment he stumbles amongst his most loyal followers who are only loyal to him and not to the party they are voting for. Not to mention that most of the party that he is running in don't trust him enough to vote for him, due to his extreme positions.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Hopefully others start going after Cruz now.
Basileus777
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Bernie winning Appalachia would certainly be interesting. Kentucky would be the first test for that.
shinra-bansho
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Less than 40% of Texas Democrats identify as liberal and it's majority minority. I guess anything can happen, but as it stands now he doesn't stand a snowball's chance there. I don't really think he'd win the white vote there, let alone the minority vote.
Iowa showed they basically split whites, when the ideology ranges from moderate to very liberal, with majority liberal. Although, she somehow managed to lose moderates today as well I guess. But I don't know if a New Hampshire moderate and a Texas moderate necessarily live in the same space.
Spoiled Milk
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Great point. People would do to remember that there is only one Democratic candidate running in this election right now.
RastaMentality
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Yeah, Cruz is solidifying his 3rd place. Rubio's still gonna end up fifth. Imagine if someone had said that last week lol.
Literally the best possible outcome. Basically, Trump gets a boost and is back on track and everybody stays in (except Fiorina and possibly Christie, but hopefully he decides to see his murder through to the end) and establishment funding either stands still again or is majorly split.
We are truly one step away folks, ONE STEP AWAY, from our GLORIOUS Trump presidency BELIEVE ME. believe me.
Tonight was an amazing night. Going forward for Republicans it's almost as though there won't be an establishment candidate. I see Cruz doing very well in South Carolina and it becomes a two person race with Cruz vs. Trump. Maybe Cruz even wins South Carolina.
Bush, Rubio, and Kasich continue to split their lane and all fade into irrelevance after winning nothing on March 1st.
Bush, Rubio, and Kasich continue to split their lane and all fade into irrelevance after winning nothing on March 1st.
Black Republican
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Remember Kasich was one of the most hated governors in 2011-12. Right up there with the skeletor of florida.
Surely has turned around.
Surely has turned around.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Trump's support it too broad and solid across many sections of the Republican electorate. It even crosses over into the establishment lane and college educated people. If he can do damage in the south, he will absolutely devour the rest of the primaries. Hopefully others start going after Cruz, please JEB.
Nah, Jeb needs to stay in so Trump doesn't lose his favorite punching bag.
He needs to get out so he will start taking this seriously and go after his real challengers.
This actually legit bothered me, he talked about rallying the democratic party to his cause and then chided 'the establishment'. I actually feel insulted because in a lot of ways when I think of the establishment I think of the people in the party who coalesced as a single group in attempt to further make government 'work' and tried to gather as many new voters as possible. Last I looked a majority of the democratic party still liked their current leaders but hated the path the country had been taking (Which is currently predominantly Republican because the youth and fair weather democratic voters dont vote in mid-terms). Are there problem eggs among them? You bet, but I also don't turn my back on the entire parties leaders just because of those few bad eggs if I still feel the party represents what I find best both for me and the country. I really think Hilary needs to go on the offensive related to Bernies comments about primarying Obama, he doesn't represent the party, he is merely using it as a platform for his message because of the two party system demands it.
We need more people in the senate and Congress, not further idealist in the white house, to me Bernie does way, way more good for this country as a senator then he could ever be as a president because of that. If he pisses off all those people in the leadership guess what he is going to get, one less socialist senator and likely an even further right house and senate.
Trump would roll over everyone else no problem, he needs Jeb or he'd get bored at the debates. Jeb's the only one left with the balls to take a swing at Trump these days. Man's gotta stay at his fighting weight somehow.
disastermouse
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You really don't think he's gonna pivot and get his fans to support downballot dems? He's said many times that he alone will not be enough.
But right now, he's up against Clinton and he's got to prove himself able to secure the nomination.
Then he needs to STOP the establishment bullshit. He needs to do just what Hilary is doing, put some of her campaign funds or encourage more people support democratic money to either keeping people elected or electing new people. But he won't do that, that money is for 'the establishment' or against what he wants to accomplish as far as campaign finance reform. By the time he wants to rally people to those other leaders it will be too late, he needs to do it NOW, in the primary, no more bullshit with establishment, that talk should never had occurred and the fact he is still talking about it in NH means to me he doesn't care as far as I am concerned.
shinra-bansho
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Hmm, that's a somewhat interesting point.
What does Sanders do to help down-ballot, were he to become the nominee?
Presumably he makes nice with the DNC. Does he stop calling them establishment?
Does he get a SuperPAC? Does he raise money for the DCCC and DSCC - and from whom? Wall St and other industries remain a no-go?
Does he campaign with down-ballot candidates? Does he stop calling them establishment? Do they even want him to campaign with them?
Does he condone negative campaigning?
What does Sanders do to help down-ballot, were he to become the nominee?
Presumably he makes nice with the DNC. Does he stop calling them establishment?
Does he get a SuperPAC? Does he raise money for the DCCC and DSCC - and from whom? Wall St and other industries remain a no-go?
Does he campaign with down-ballot candidates? Does he stop calling them establishment? Do they even want him to campaign with them?
Does he condone negative campaigning?
There's a reason why a lot of Repubucans want him to win.
disastermouse
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I don't think anyone needs to be doing what Hillary Clinton is doing.
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