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PoliGAF 2016 |OT| Ask us about our performance with Latinos in Nevada

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theprodigy

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shinra-bansho said:
81. Yuck.

So, for the Dem NV caucuses a precinct in a county with less than 400 registered Dems gets 1 delegate for every 5, but for one that has 4000 or more gets 1 for every 50.
I'm assuming this is how Obama won them last time around. It also seems like it would make polling pretty useless.

Put another way, if you win by five votes in ten smaller precincts you'd net an extra ten delegates, compared to the extra one delegate you'd get winning by 50 votes in a larger precinct.
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Wait what? That's incredibly stupid.

edit: well actually the 4000+ line is so low (or Clark County is just that big) that Clark County only goes from 75.7% to 72.3%, I guess it's not that bad...still stupid though
 
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Daniel B·

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BBC News has really changed their tune of late, coming from barely any coverage of Bernie's campaign, and until just recently, that was purely negative (Iowa caucus reporting seemed at least neutral), to today's positive opinion piece, on how the race will proceed, from Anthony Zurcher, their North America reporter:

Anthony Zurcher said:
Who, if anyone, won the much coveted "ticket out of New Hampshire" and will go on to contest the next states more aggressively?

Ticket punched

Bernie Sanders

Conductor's call: The Democratic race is going to drag on for a long time, and people are climbing aboard the Bernie Express.

It's clear at this point that the Vermont senator has become the leader of a movement within the Democratic party.

He's pulling in record amounts of small-figure contributions and is rapidly building out a national campaign infrastructure. At this point he's actually outspending Hillary Clinton in South Carolina, which holds its primary in just over two weeks.

He still has the so-called Clinton firewall to deal with, as his support among the ethnic minorities that play a large part in the coming states continues to be weak. His 21-point win in New Hampshire, however, will make headlines across the country, and Democrats of all stripes are going to take notice. They may give the septuagenarian "Social Democrat" another look.

Standing on the platform

Hillary Clinton

Conductor's call: She'll get on the train, but it's going to be a very bumpy ride ahead.

While the former secretary of state told her supporters that the campaign will roll on to the next battlegrounds, this has to be a very disheartening result. Already there is talk of shake-ups among her senior political staff and the need for a new, more focused message to voters.

Eight years ago New Hampshire saved Mrs Clinton - at least temporarily - giving her a surprise win over Barack Obama and allowing her to wage a months-long battle for the nomination. In 1992 her husband, Bill Clinton, finished a surprisingly strong second in the state, setting him on a course for the presidency.

This time New Hampshire Democrats turned their backs on a Clinton. While recent polls indicated a defeat was clearly in store, it still has to be considered a shocking upset that a self-professed socialist and long-time backbench senator bested her by such a solid margin.
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kirblar

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Also posted this in the thread entrement started, this piece by Michelle Goldberg sums up my personal reasons for supporting Clinton well and echoes many of my emotions - http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2016/02/why_one_feminist_woman_is_voting_for_hillary_clinton_over_bernie_sanders.html

I spent much of the 2008 Democratic primary season furious at both Clinton and the second-wave feminists who tried to guilt young women into voting for her. In Barack Obama, I thought, America had the chance to elect a transcendent figure, a person who promised so much more than the relentless triangulation of Bill Clinton’s disillusioning presidency. It was inexplicable to me that, presented with Obama, anyone could prefer Bill Clinton’s wife. Mocking Obama’s promise to unite the country, Hillary Clinton said then, “The skies will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing, and everyone will know we should do the right thing and the world will be perfect.” She didn’t just fail to inspire—she seemed to sneer at the whole idea of inspiration.
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It is strange, then, to find myself, eight years later, not only rooting for Clinton, but feeling exasperated by her left-wing critics. I know their case against Clinton. I agree with a lot of it. I worry about what Clinton’s many flaws would mean for a potential presidency. Now, however, watching her be rejected by young people swept up in an idealistic political movement, I feel sadness instead of glee.
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The Technomancer

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kirblar said:
Also posted this in the thread entrement started, this piece by Michelle Goldberg sums up my personal reasons for supporting Clinton well and echoes many of my emotions - http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2016/02/why_one_feminist_woman_is_voting_for_hillary_clinton_over_bernie_sanders.html
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Yup, good piece that captures a lot of my feelings as well

Its straight up disheartening seeing the narrative the right has been building around her for decades so eagerly embraced by the left
 
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Makai

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JAY CARNEY, FMR. WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I think the president has signaled while still remaining neutral that he supports Secretary Clinton's candidacy and would prefer to see her as the nominee. He won't officially embrace her unless and until it's clear she's going to be the nominee.
 
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Kyosaiga

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Makai said:
JAY CARNEY, FMR. WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I think the president has signaled while still remaining neutral that he supports Secretary Clinton's candidacy and would prefer to see her as the nominee. He won't officially embrace her unless and until it's clear she's going to be the nominee.
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Obama couldn't have made it clearer that he prefers Clinton than if he woke up one morning wearing a neon suit saying he's endorsing her.
 
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Makai

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"Sometimes, when I'm at a rally, on a stage like this," Clinton said at a rally last night in Hudson, NH. "I wish we weren't married, then I could say what I really think."
 
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Jenov

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kirblar said:
Also posted this in the thread entrement started, this piece by Michelle Goldberg sums up my personal reasons for supporting Clinton well and echoes many of my emotions - http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2016/02/why_one_feminist_woman_is_voting_for_hillary_clinton_over_bernie_sanders.html
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Excellent piece, very fair write up of Clinton and how difficult her political life has been and how it has shaped her. Really liked these:

"For a progressive, how you reconcile conflicting truths about Clinton depends, to some extent, on how much you empathize with her. Supporting Clinton means justifying the thousands of concessions she’s made to the world as it is, rather than as we want it to be. Doing this is easier, I think, when you are older, and have made more concessions yourself. Indeed, sometimes it feels like to defend Clinton is to defend middle age itself, with all its attenuated expectations and reminders of the uselessness of hindsight."

" But the fact that Clinton is the first woman to have a conceivable chance of winning the presidency gives the contempt with which she is treated an extra sting. She’s contorted herself so many times to meet the shifting demands our culture makes of women in public life. I understand why so many now see her as someone who can’t be trusted. But I’ve also come to understand the forces that made her that way. "
 
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teiresias

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Prost said:
Excellent piece, very fair write up of Clinton and how difficult her political life has been and how it has shaped her. Really liked these:

"For a progressive, how you reconcile conflicting truths about Clinton depends, to some extent, on how much you empathize with her. Supporting Clinton means justifying the thousands of concessions she’s made to the world as it is, rather than as we want it to be. Doing this is easier, I think, when you are older, and have made more concessions yourself. Indeed, sometimes it feels like to defend Clinton is to defend middle age itself, with all its attenuated expectations and reminders of the uselessness of hindsight."

" But the fact that Clinton is the first woman to have a conceivable chance of winning the presidency gives the contempt with which she is treated an extra sting. She’s contorted herself so many times to meet the shifting demands our culture makes of women in public life. I understand why so many now see her as someone who can’t be trusted. But I’ve also come to understand the forces that made her that way. "
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This is like poetry!
 
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rjinaz

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Fun quiz. 96 baby, 32 years old.

What is the end year for millenial anyway? I always thought it was 1980 but I hear otherwise.
 
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Manmademan

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kirblar said:
It's an annoying term because of the big cultural/tech schism. There's the Gen Y half and then there's the newer half.
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that's the weird thing about millenials. You hear a lot about how large and influential that generation is, but that's because it started in 1980 (give or take a year) and just kept going.

The chart has boomers from 1946 to 1964 (18 years)
Gen X from 1965 to 1980 (15 years)

Millenials are 1981 to fucking yesterday (35 years and counting)

Someone from 1981 has absolutely fuck all in common with someone born in 2010. That's at least two generations, but no one has found any significant divider or consensus to split it.
 
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shinra-bansho

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"It's easiest to see the glass ceiling, when you're right underneath it." would actually be a pretty great line to basically steal from that article. Although that would add thief alongside liar and murderer to her resume.
 
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benjipwns

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Daniel B·;194859827 said:
BBC News has really changed their tune of late, coming from barely any coverage of Bernie's campaign, and until just recently, that was purely negative (Iowa caucus reporting seemed at least neutral), to today's positive opinion piece, on how the race will proceed, from Anthony Zurcher, their North America reporter:
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I reported these tortured metaphors to The Hague.
 
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NeoXChaos

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Manmademan said:
no I meant like immediately after. "Concession wednesday".
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He's taking it to the convention. In no reality is Tad Devine and Jeff Weaver convincing Bernie to concede that day no matter how bad they are slaughtered on Super Tuesday.
 
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Manmademan

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NeoXChaos said:
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He's taking it to the convention. In no reality is Tad Devine and Jeff Weaver convincing Bernie to concede that day no matter how bad they are slaughtered on Super Tuesday.
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Nah, he's going to get slaughtered in just about every state that matters leading up to super tuesday, then blown out of the water on the day of.

Hillary was at least sitting on a bunch of superdelegates in '08 to try to justify staying in the race when it was mathematically implausible. Bernie won't even have that excuse.

March 2nd? Time Runs Out.
 
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Rafa=FedKilla

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Makai said:
Trump says calling Cruz a pussy helped him win NH.
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Hope so. The American Future Fund its taking on Ted Cruz, that he is weak on national defense and supports American traitor Edward Snowden. Ted didn't want to commit and then all of the sudden Trumo was to the right of him on torture. Unbelievable.
 
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