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PoliGAF 2016 |OT| Ask us about our performance with Latinos in Nevada
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More Judas talk from Bush donors concerning Rubio. I remember a story a while back where this was mentioned too. It's hilarious how entitled that campaign feels.
https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/698558140833492994
Damn, they really wanted Rubio to stay in his place
Sounds like his nickname was originally "Housekeeping."
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I wonder how far Jeb would have to go against Rubio for the media to call out the racism.
Atomic Playboy
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Had no idea who that was so I googled him and I see he had an album called Atomic Playboys. No, I took my name from the scene in Atomic Cafe with Admiral Blandy saying "I am not an atomic playboy," which seemed like such a strange thing to deny when I watched that at age 15 or so. Who doesn't want to be an atomic playboy?
More Judas talk from Bush donors concerning Rubio. I remember a story a while back where this was mentioned too. It's hilarious how entitled that campaign feels.
https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/698558140833492994
Amazing. GTFO Rubio.
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Damnit, I just woke up the entire house laughing so damn hard when I read that.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Trump is now in general election mode. He's now tweeting a bunch of racist shit and then deleting them a couple hours later. Made a joke about a Univision anchor being an anchor baby and then deleted it just now.
RastaMentality
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89CyIR4Fkdk
This is Hillary's new strategy.
This is Hillary's new strategy.
surely he's aware of the existence of the print screen button
It's pretty effective. But I want to point out for the first clip they used "a tax on Wall Street speculation" was a specific response to the topic of "how he will pay for his plan on college affordability".
Captain Pants
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That's perfect!
ItWasMeantToBe19
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He's got good political instincts but he's not bright enough to know about print screen.
Devastating, particularly with this reparations thing picking up steam.
Brawndo Addict
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For me, it's more about what reparations represent in terms of particularized redress (as it applies to this Bernie stuff). It's an acknowledgement that certain kinds of people are so disadvantaged that they deserve particular treatment above and beyond what you would give to someone else (equity not equality). So when Bernie defaults to a kind of generalized colorblind economic populism, it doesn't address the fact that the proposed channels of his changes are still deeply racist. But if programs and policies like reparations that specifically try to combat the problem by directly targeting the disadvantaged class are too divisive, then you're not really doing anything to fix the fundamental issue. A rising tide may lift all boats, but what about the people whose boats have holes in them?
Obviously there's a strong moral component to this as well in which his comments don't come off well, the right thing to do is never the easy thing as they say.
Obviously there's a strong moral component to this as well in which his comments don't come off well, the right thing to do is never the easy thing as they say.
Our narratives? This is what you said:
You said specifically Bernie is the one who has everyone talking about reparations. Now you're trying to say you were talking about the US having these thoughts and discussions now...but there have been these thoughts and discussions for some time now, it's just that you weren't paying attention or you couldn't be arsed to care. And now you want to feel proud that your candidate of choice is 'causing' the subject to be discussed?
Like I said, Coates could have used Obama or Hillary and it would get attention. The fact that you need "some old white guy" to be the target of Coates's criticisms to give a shit about or discuss reparations is nothing to be proud of.
It is in no way "Bernie's" idea that we all start participating and talking about government and policies. We are able to be publicly educated from 5 to 18, and there have been so many causes out there, so many news pieces good and bad and profound, and more than capable of thinking about government, about voting, and about participating in government on our own. Why are you acting so proud that someone came along and said the same message so many people before him had asked of you? Or perhaps because it wasn't "some old white guy" speaking so you couldn't be bothered to listen?
Who do you think you are preaching to? To the posters who lived in PoliGAF and long made the political personal, while you were living in MLB?
Warning Signs for Hillary in South Carolina
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/warning-signs-hillary-clinton-south-carolina
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/warning-signs-hillary-clinton-south-carolina
RastaMentality
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Black twitter has been talking about Bernie supposedly saying "poor white people should be included in reparation discussions" since last night. A lot of people are disappointed. His campaign to court minority voters isn't really going well at all.
I think they're speaking in reference to this:
People have been saying he's basically comparing poor white people to the long history of slavery and segregation in black communities.
eBay Huckster
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the way i see it, it's not even that he won't support it - it's that he'll barely even discuss it, first of all, and second that he'll handwave away the entire thing by saying "it's not feasible in this congressional environment" when that literally applies to his entire platform
cartoon_soldier
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How can Hillary let Sanders out infrastructure her is beyond me.
Smiles and Cries
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I waited 2 hours before I made it about Healthcare Politics
I am going to try and tweet all camps still running and see who bites first
this is for a good cause but lost in the GAF noise
please post twitter addresses of who you would like me to #Troll4LOVE
OT http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1183778
I am going to try and tweet all camps still running and see who bites first
this is for a good cause but lost in the GAF noise
please post twitter addresses of who you would like me to #Troll4LOVE
OT http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1183778
The 5 page OT thread on Bernie and reparations alludes to my point which you keep avoiding. Trying to make this personal won't dissolve your misguided anger.
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I'm assuming that Hillary isn't in favor of reparations, so what is the angle for attacking Bernie on it? Is it just that for a guy who is promising every other social program under the sun, why is he against reparations? I guess I'm just wondering why use it if it is a position that Hillary won't go left of him on.
Retromelon
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Cmon dawg this might work in ot but i would like to think we are a little more sophisticated. Sc is hill country
Like I said in OT, it's basically "All Lives Matter" for social programs, not a great place to be when your deficit is with minorities.
Brawndo Addict
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Being critical of Sanders is not being supportive of Hillary. And when you're the self-proclaimed radical progressive you're evaluated by higher standards.
I suppose that they think supporting Sanders might be a risk, and want to know if it is worth it. Clinton is considered a safer candidate, and that means less probability of a Rep president.
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That's not at all what he meant. Like at all. It is a terrible thing his position is getting misrepresented.
But yeah I can see how that can be interpreted as such (and I have also seen this narrative being the dominant one already). I fear that he probably lost any inroads he has made with black voters because of his good intentioned stupidity.
Anyway, that Negative ad by Clinton is not going to work. Making light of such an important issue like income inequality (represented in WS greed) can only backfire with voters who are emotionally invested in the issue.
Thats not what the clinton ad is about.
When Bernie is raising $5 million a DAY at certain times, it definitely allows the campaign to throw money at problems more liberally than the Clinton campaign.
Hillary has raised plenty of money. I'd be surprised if Bernie is anywhere near her numbers.
And_Gignac
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"Look at this old man goofily making everything Wall Street", when we know his answers are way more elaborated than that and they kind of make sense. They just dont in racial issues.
On a second watch and with my guts less on fire I can see a line of attack like this working, yeah. It all depends on how the Sanders camp works around it.
Registered voters is even closer, like both at 44%
Hispanics 41 vs 40%
It also has his support with black voters @ 37%. mmmh
I am skeptical.
He does make everything about wall street. It's the central thrust of his campaign. To a lot of people, that message resonates because they're not on wall street and are therefore poor and undesirable. Luckily I do not have that problem.
There is no condition under which you (or most Bernie fans) would agree that Hillary takes this issue as seriously as Bernie does, so I don't think there's too much opportunity to convince someone who really thinks it is the most important issue of the campaign to vote for Hillary. This is her next best option.
In his words, Sanders is against reparations because
Some would argue that almost all of his positions have essentially a nil likelihood of getting through Congress, so the fact that he's not pushing for reparations is essentially telling black communities that they're not worth fighting for. IMO, he should never admit to dismissing an idea because it's unlikely to succeed. That's counterproductive to his message. Inconsistencies like this will kill you in politics.
Macho Madness
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I'm also a bit skeptical, and desperate for more polls. I expected something new from SC by now.
Nobody is ignoring your point. As I noted, it's just wrong and racist.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Maybe they heard how everyone was making fun of their wacky different filters and changed something.
cartoon_soldier
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PPP polling it after GOP debate tonight.
You should cut this out. It's not racist to point out Bernie's candidacy exposes ideas that weren't on the table before. It's a pretty gross accusation.
Clinton is basically running to be Obama's third term. She's selling herself as safe, pragmatic, competent, etc. She's the "knows what she's doing and can get things done" candidate. She's going to beat Sanders unless he can offer something new and appealing.
Sanders is running a much more emotional campaign. He's identifying Bad People who must be opposed. He's proposing radical change. His supporters are less concerned with policy details than they are with knowing that "he cares about people like them". It's important that he's perceived as honest and authentic. If he doesn't seem to care a lot about you and your problems, you're not likely to give him a second look. It's not about being sure that his policy prescriptions are really the right way to go; it's about believing that he's on your side.
Sanders is clearly very willing to signal that he's on the side of, say, young white people with lots of student debt. This is who he's aimed at. He's said a lot of things that "everyone knows" are stupid politics, so they trust him. He has not been similarly willing or enthusiastic about sticking his neck out on behalf of black people, among others. I suspect that his "cares about people like me" score is much lower among black people. And reparations is part of why - it's the sort of costly signal that a Sanders-like candidate would be sending to black people to prove that he's on their side. He's vulnerable on this in a way that Clinton isn't, even though they have the same (non)position, because his whole campaign is about sending these sorts of "I care" signals.
They were on the table before. We've discussed it in this thread before.
When you proudly announce that an idea has finally hit the mainstream because a white guy has been associated with it instead of the black guy who's been advancing it for three years, that's whitewashing. I'm comfortable with the label. Doesn't mean the poster is racist, but the position is.
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So because Sanders has promised the moon on various issues, like most politicians, he must support every "radical" left wing economic over-the-moon policy as well? That's not how this works.
No, it means that arguing practicality as a rationale for not supporting a policy is not an acceptable response, because that rationale would invalidate most of his other positions as well.
"Practicality" isn't stopping him from promising to release 90% of prisoners.... so what's actually stopping him from supporting this position?
And it seems to circle back to "it's class, not race."
Not really. It's pretty much factual to note that it's getting much larger traction now. The observation has nothing to do with white supremacy.
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