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[docbon]

Jesus Christ, Cruz is ugly as fuck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtAWbl8GZSI&feature=youtu.be&t=1m58s

And Bernie and Trump getting rid of the second amendment, lmao.

Hillary tearing down religion, lmao.

unlimited abortions on demand

like a buffet of fetal tissue

 

[Dan]

So the worst Sanders can do is what Hillary proposes as the ideal.

If misinterpreting it that way helps you feel better, whatever. Have fun.

 

[User 406]

It's bizarre that Cruz's campaign took down that softcore porn actress ad in light speed but still has Ted "the Jews are coming for your guns!" Nugent's endorsement online.

Well, keep in mind that the Nuge

SHIT TED
SHITTED

his pants to avoid military service.

 

[Makai]

APPOINT TED
APPOINTED

NOBODY VOTE TED
NOBODY VOTED

DISAPPOINT TED
DISAPPOINTED

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

Lol. FoxNews was talking about a South Carolina Right to Rise poll. Trump 26 Cruz 24 Jeb 16.

 

[And_Gignac]

We may not have polls, but we have Facebook.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/facebook-primary/

 

[danm999]

Lol. FoxNews was talking about a South Carolina Right to Rise poll. Trump 26 Cruz 24 Jeb 16.

God if even Jeb's Super PAC polls have him coming in third.

 

[B-Dubs]

We may not have polls, but we have Facebook.



http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/facebook-primary/

Do we really have this little data right now? Christ above.

 

[benjipwns]

Why are Carson and Jeb! off by default?!?

lol at just Rubio and Kasich

 

[thepotatoman]

Man, if that the best Cruz can do against Chuck fucking Todd he's in for a bumpy ride if that's the hill he's going to die on.
And for real, it boggles the mind how stupid the GOP are, even if you intend to block any person Obama put forward, tactically it makes so much more sense to not announce it ahead of time and just find a specific reason to reject any person Obama nominate.

Fucking clown shoes.

I think they probably know that a theoretical generic liberal justice is easier to fight against than a real one. Polls generally say that people are more likely to say the court is too liberal than too conservative. But when it turns into a real debate against a real liberal judge, what are they going to latch onto?

The polls still show americans supporting the SC decisions on things like Gay Marriage, Roe v Wade, and upholding Obamacare, and still show Americans opposed to Citizens United. Liberals are politically on the right side of every big individual SC issue. There's nothing for the republicans to latch onto that can withstand a year's worth of delays.

 

[Kangi]

Why are Carson and Jeb! off by default?!?

I think because it's Carson got a lot of likes unrelated to his political aspirations some time ago.

And Jeb!'s off because Jeb!

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Why are Carson and Jeb! off by default?!?

lol at just Rubio and Kasich

Fun fact: highlighting Jeb doesn't seem to change the color of a single county anywhere in the country.

 

[NeoXChaos]

worrying about RBG is interesting considering John Paul Stevens made it to 90!!

 

[benjipwns]

worrying about RBG is interesting considering John Paul Stevens made it to 90!!

He's still alive...

 

[FloydtheFathead]

Well, keep in mind that the Nuge

SHIT TED
SHITTED

his pants to avoid military service.

Did he have cat scratch fever?

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

We may not have polls, but we have Facebook.



http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/facebook-primary/

I think some polls should drop tomorrow.

 

[JesseEwiak]

You would think the Democrats know better, but they clearly don't since they have been giving Republicans more than they wanted for decades now--even when they had substantial congressional majorities. McConnell's plan is essentially do only what he wants, as apparent by the fact that he wants use to wait 9-11 months to fill a currently vacant SCOTUS seat in hopes his party wins the Presidency.



They proposed what they thought would pass, and at its core the ACA is still based heavily on the Heritage Foundations HC Reform from the 80's/90's. It was the Conservative solution to Healthcare Reform for 20 years before Obama got it implemented, and now they hate it because a Democrat actually passed it.

This isn't actually true. The main thing the ACA and the Heritage Foundation has in common is an insurance mandate. Beyond that, there are many differences.

Obama was handed the most favorable position for an incoming President since LBJ in 1964, he still couldn't pass his health care plan, let alone anything else in his campaign promises. That's not a criticism, it's just a fact. (LBJ couldn't pass half the Great Society either and he didn't bunch Congress' panties.)

I get your general point, but this isn't actually true.

 

[Giant Panda]

Because $15 is actually happening in places across the country. People defend it saying "oh its just a starting point" just as you did, but that's hogwash. It's very much the intentional endgame of a number of organizations bankrolling the push.

"IT HAPPENED TO SEATTLE, IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOU!" isn't really something you want on the campaign trail, and if you don't actually want it as policy, why push it out there?

It's a live-action economics experiment. But it's one that even a lot of liberal economists are worried about.

Yup. $15/hr minimum wage would be over 50% of median wages, which research suggests would cause a fair amount of job losses. Trying reading about it in the Economist.

Unfortunately politicians have an emotional attachment to minimum wages when research and theory have shown something like a tax credit would be better.

 

[B-Dubs]

worrying about RBG is interesting considering John Paul Stevens made it to 90!!

He's 95 right now dude, he hasn't died yet.


Or do you know something we don't?

 

[Dan]

He's 95 right now dude, he hasn't died yet.


Or do you know something we don't?

He's saying Stevens retired at 90.

 

[Tesseract]

hey, does anyone know michael eric dyson's email address?

 

[benjipwns]

I get your general point, but this isn't actually true.

I don't find the PolitiFact thing very convincing at all really.

The Kukones book apparently counts "good faith" efforts that failed due to "outside factors" as keeping a pledge according to another book that uses it as a source. That seems questionable to me lol

"Promised to pass a tax cut, but nuclear war annihilated civilization*. Campaign pledge kept!"

Spoiler

*the joke is political scientists aren't a part of civilization much like they aren't scientists

 

[Bel Marduk]

 

[B-Dubs]

hey, does anyone know michael eric dyson's email address?

At the very bottom of his website there's a link that you can click to send public inquiries. That or hit him up on twitter I suppose.

What's up?

 

[NeoXChaos]

At the very bottom of his website there's a link that you can click to send public inquiries. That or hit him up on twitter I suppose.

What's up?

speaking of michael erik dyson I found this:

https://newrepublic.com/article/121550/cornel-wests-rise-fall-our-most-exciting-black-scholar-ghost

 

[Coriolanus]

Yup. $15/hr minimum wage would be over 50% of median wages, which research suggests would cause a fair amount of job losses. Trying reading about it in the Economist.

Unfortunately politicians have an emotional attachment to minimum wages when research and theory have shown something like a tax credit would be better.

That article provides zero sources for its allegations. While claiming that there are reams of studies.

Hrm.

fwiw i still hold a grudge against them for this drek.

 

[B-Dubs]

speaking of michael erik dyson I found this:

https://newrepublic.com/article/121550/cornel-wests-rise-fall-our-most-exciting-black-scholar-ghost

I remember talking about that one here a bit last year, it was an interesting read.

 

[kirblar]

If anything, the fact that $15 minimum wage already exists in pockets of the country dispels fear rather than builds on it. We saw the same thing happen with gay marriage and are watching it happen with weed legalization as well. Legal weed in Colorado hasn't caused huge pushback on the national stage, it's actually helped progress the issue.

Cost of living varies wildly across the US.

You set the national wage to $15, you are going to cripple many areas of the country.

The national minimum is the floor- it has to be set to something that accommodates the lowest common denominator. That's why you don't say "Lets go to $15!" - because it's showing reckless disregard for reality.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Stuff's happening in SC

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternativ...y-foam-bath-partys-photo-exposed-3297932.html

Warning: Website has sound, mute.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Cost of living varies wildly across the US.

You set the national wage to $15, you are going to cripple many areas of the country.

The national minimum is the floor- it has to be set to something that accommodates the lowest common denominator. That's why you don't say "Lets go to $15!" - because it's showing reckless disregard for reality.

so it would kill businesses in certain parts of MS?

 

[kirblar]

so it would kill businesses in certain parts of MS?

Yes. It's going to hit the poorest areas hardest.

 

[Coriolanus]

Cost of living varies wildly across the US.

You set the national wage to $15, you are going to cripple many areas of the country.

The national minimum is the floor- it has to be set to something that accommodates the lowest common denominator. That's why you don't say "Lets go to $15!" - because it's showing reckless disregard for reality.

Which is why the argument, again, is to eventually get there by 2020.

 

[Holmes]

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/699036854922797056

I think the fact that according to reports, the Sanders team is calling Republicans (and not Democrats) to caucus is probably indicating that they don't have Democrats and they need support from elsewhere to win.

 

[kirblar]

Which is why the argument, again, is to eventually get there by 2020.

4 years is nothing- especially when we have near-zero inflation right now.

 

[Makai]

How many Republicans are Constitutionalists? I'm getting worried the Scalia situation will hurt Trump if it becomes the defining issue.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

What the hell was wrong with establishing a lowest common denominator and then letting individual markets go higher as necessary? Does anybody think a town in South Dakota with 1,000 people should have the same minimum wage as Manhattan and San Francisco? This approach is literally backwards in the sense that it's taking the highest end of the range and applying it down. Sounds like a recipe for disaster.

 

[Coriolanus]

4 years is nothing- especially when we have near-zero inflation right now.

And from nothing to nothing you've been stuck at 7.25 since 2009.

What the hell was wrong with establishing a lowest common denominator and then letting individual markets go higher as necessary? Does anybody think a town in South Dakota with 1,000 people should have the same minimum wage as Manhattan and San Francisco?

What? No. One should get way more money for having to live in that kinda hellhole.

 

[B-Dubs]

How many Republicans are Constitutionalists? I'm getting worried the Scalia situation will hurt Trump if it becomes the defining issue.

The fact that Trump is leading shows that most republicans don't give a rat's ass about the philosophy.

 

[kirblar]

What the hell was wrong with establishing a lowest common denominator and then letting individual markets go higher as necessary? Does anybody think a town in South Dakota with 1,000 people should have the same minimum wage as Manhattan and San Francisco?

Unions push for the $15/hr wage because when their rates are tied to the minimum wage, an increase in it boosts their pay.

 

[Giant Panda]

That article provides zero sources for its allegations. While claiming that there are reams of studies.

Hrm.

fwiw i still hold a grudge against them for this drek.

What on earth could you find wrong with that article?

 

[cartoon_soldier]

What the hell was wrong with establishing a lowest common denominator and then letting individual markets go higher as necessary? Does anybody think a town in South Dakota with 1,000 people should have the same minimum wage as Manhattan and San Francisco? This approach is literally backwards in the sense that it's taking the highest end of the range and applying it down. Sounds like a recipe for disaster.

It is backwards.

 

[disastermouse]

Yes. It's going to hit the poorest areas hardest.

"Ending slavery will totally destroy industry in the south."

This is what I hear when you talk with your mouth thing.

 

[NeoXChaos]

It is backwards.

so your talking a high minimum with lower adjustments?

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

What? No. One should get way more money for having to live in that kinda hellhole.

"Ending slavery will totally destroy industry in the south."

This is what I hear when you talk with your mouth thing.

Should I be surprised that you two have no valid rebuttal to these basic facts?

 

[shinra-bansho]

Are you really comparing accounting for differences in living costs due to geography to... slavery?

 

[Coriolanus]

Should I be surprised that you two have no valid rebuttal to these basic facts?

Should i be surprised that you are completely unable to get a very obvious joke?


But if you want a rebuttal, fine, here's a flowchart.

X starts by saying that 15 for all is totes awesome
Y comes and sez 15 is totes ridic. 12 is mucho awesome tho, because a collective set of stuff that we'll call *safe*
X then goes "hmm, safe is a good point" and then goes balls deep with safe and settles for 10, which is still an increase, but saferer.
Y can then agree with X or try to defend 12. If he agrees, the discussion ends here (unless X decides to be a bigger dick and push for 9, since saferest). If he defends 12, then X is very likely to just straight lift the argument for danger 12 and apply to danger 15, because why the hell not.

Repeat until Y comes up with some very specific data to support his very specific magic safe number.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Should i be surprised that you are completely unable to get a very obvious joke?

We are all going crazy. Scalia is dead. Hillary in dissaray. Sanders surging. Rubio comeback

 

[B-Dubs]

Should i be surprised that you are completely unable to get a very obvious joke?

It can get hard to tell these, high unholy days of the apocalypse.

We are all going crazy. Scalia is dead. Hillary in dissaray. Sanders surging. Rubio comeback

We have no proof for like 3 of those things.

Everyone's just going crazy with a caucus coming up and a distinct lack of numbers.

SOMEONE GET US NUMBERS!

 

[kirblar]

"Ending slavery will totally destroy industry in the south."

This is what I hear when you talk with your mouth thing.

That you hear that from what I said is scary.

 

[shinra-bansho]

We have no proof for like 3 of those things.

Which three though?

Take a guess!

Well, I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure Hillary's in disarray. Which means somebody really should go check out that ranch.