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PoliGAF 2016 |OT| Ask us about our performance with Latinos in Nevada
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Welcome back, Cerium
You've been avoiding PoliGAF
I've posted in here, I'm just busy.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Racist, rich white dude in his 60s, who likes firing people and wants to cut the rich's taxes by a lot, uses racism as a cudgel to beat his only real opponents while flip-flopping on important issues and having a left-leaning past on healthcare to get a 20 point lead on his opponents despite losing Iowa to a religious nutjob.
Donald Trump or Mitt Romney?
Donald Trump or Mitt Romney?
Racist, rich white dude in his 60s, who likes firing people and wants to cut the rich's taxes by a lot, uses racism as a cudgel to beat his only real opponents while flip-flopping on important issues and having a left-leaning past on healthcare to get a 20 point lead on his opponents despite losing Iowa to a religious nutjob.
Donald Trump or Mitt Romney?
Yes.
Roland_Gunner
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Can u really trust someone that can be friends with Crud?
Ruth Bader Ginsberg called Scalia her "best buddy," do you trust her? Srinivasan sounds like a very accomplished legal scholar and someone who would fit comfortably in the court's center left.
if trump wins SC why does he lose going by history? Past nominees have won NH and SC. He is following the traditional path. Rubio winning would be unprecedented.
He sweeps everything except for TX & Rubio is supposed to somehow overtake him by finally winning on March 15th with FL? get out of here.
He sweeps everything except for TX & Rubio is supposed to somehow overtake him by finally winning on March 15th with FL? get out of here.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Yep. Nobody's attacked Trump consistently. Okay buddy. Let me guess, Stuart Stevens is a Politico writer.....Cruz is never dropping out.
Stuart Stevens continues to be in denile.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Conservative media is so fucking mad over Trump saying that GW Bush was president on 9/11:
https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/699320885799424000
This was retweeted by Rich Lowry and the other fucks.
https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/699320885799424000
This was retweeted by Rich Lowry and the other fucks.
Shocking considering Rich Lowry is a salt bucketConservative media is so fucking mad over Trump saying that GW Bush was president on 9/11:
https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/699320885799424000
This was retweeted by Rich Lowry and the other fucks.
RustyNails
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Don't worry. President Trump is going to deport srinivasan's ass.Can u really trust someone that can be friends with Crud?
Basileus777
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if trump wins SC why does he lose going by history? Past nominees have won NH and SC. He is following the traditional path. Rubio winning would be unprecedented.
He sweeps everything except for TX & Rubio is supposed to somehow overtake him by finally winning on March 15th with FL? get out of here.
Forget Rubio, if Trump accomplishes that on Super Tuesday it will be incredibly hard to stop him from getting a majority of the delegates and ending all thoughts of a brokered convention. If Trump is not stopped by March 1st it will be over.
Roland_Gunner
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Yep. Nobody's attacked Trump consistently. Okay buddy. Let me guess, Stuart Stevens is a Politico writer.....
Incredibly, Stevens was the Romney national campaign manager. He's also talked repeatedly about running an establishment Republican as a third party candidate to help out with down ballot elections.
The video is awesome.
BoboBrazil
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PPP did SC assuming only Trump, Cruz, and Rubio:
Trump: 40%
Cruz: 28%
Rubio: 22%
... This seems about what it would be in most states to be honest? I think the "fields narrows, Trump struggles" narrative may not be that accurate since this is how the field will probably narrow (the Jeb dream is dead)
Damn imagine if Cruz dropped out. Most of those voters would go to Trump.
Damn imagine if Cruz dropped out. Most of those voters would go to Trump.
Would they after the recent Trump bombardment?
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Hey, Bernie Sanders supporters.
Explain to me how he's supposed to fund the College For All Act with a tax on speculation if they tried it in Sweden and it didn't produce the expected results?
http://www.businessinsider.com/swed...an-financial-transaction-tax-wont-work-2011-9
Transaction taxes:
- Reduce the efficiency of the market, which actually reduces the revenue produced by the tax
- Reduce investment in the market, which slows growth and kills jobs
- Has no noticeable effect on speculation, so it doesn't do what it's supposed to do
Explain to me how he's supposed to fund the College For All Act with a tax on speculation if they tried it in Sweden and it didn't produce the expected results?
http://www.businessinsider.com/swed...an-financial-transaction-tax-wont-work-2011-9
Transaction taxes:
- Reduce the efficiency of the market, which actually reduces the revenue produced by the tax
- Reduce investment in the market, which slows growth and kills jobs
- Has no noticeable effect on speculation, so it doesn't do what it's supposed to do
Anders Borg said:The impact was basically that we did not get any tax revenue. It brought in very little tax money while moving most of the businesses outside of Sweden.
BoboBrazil
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Would they after the recent Trump bombardment?
Yes, there isn't anyone else there to go for except maybe Carson, who will probably drop out after SC.
hipsterpants
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Perhaps I'm misunderstanding Trump's position, but the impression I'm getting from all this is that the party of rich people is being taken over by a dude who is basically telling rich people to fuck off (even though he's rich himself). It's kind of amazing.
Considering how this has all played out and how money in politics has become a #1 issue for some people I'm wondering if some Republicans secretly wish that Citizen's United hadn't gone the way it did. The increasing wealth gap + unlimited campaign financing is the perfect storm.
Considering how this has all played out and how money in politics has become a #1 issue for some people I'm wondering if some Republicans secretly wish that Citizen's United hadn't gone the way it did. The increasing wealth gap + unlimited campaign financing is the perfect storm.
Politico said:Abercrombie, a white former House Democratic colleague of Lewis and Sanders, wrote an anguished letter Friday to the Georgia congressman [John Lewis].
Im writing to you in a state of shock and disappointment as an admirer of long-standing and a colleague of more than two decades. Your remarks about Senator Sanders and his civil rights record are deeply offensive not only to me but to hundreds of thousands of others dedicated to and participants in the Civil Rights Movement, the former governor wrote. In all honesty, John, when did you become the doorkeeper at the entrance to the Civil Rights gate?
I'd guess right around the time Bernie Sanders became the gatekeeper of progressivism
Cruz is never dropping out.
Stuart Stevens continues to be in denile.
Dat denial
Roland_Gunner
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Considering how this has all played out and how money in politics has become a #1 issue for some people I'm wondering if some Republicans secretly wish that Citizen's United hadn't gone the way it did. The increasing wealth gap + unlimited campaign financing is the perfect storm.
SuperPacs have been a mixed blessing at the Presidential level but they've helped Republicans win a ton of state and local races by swamping them with money.
eBay Huckster
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How much lower was the revenue than what they expected?Hey, Bernie Sanders supporters.
Explain to me how he's supposed to fund the College For All Act with a tax on speculation if they tried it in Sweden and it didn't produce the expected results?
http://www.businessinsider.com/swed...an-financial-transaction-tax-wont-work-2011-9
Transaction taxes:
- Reduce the efficiency of the market, which actually reduces the revenue produced by the tax
- Reduce investment in the market, which slows growth and kills jobs
- Has no noticeable effect on speculation, so it doesn't do what it's supposed to do
(I'm also expecting the actual cost of that plan to come out significantly higher than his campaign says it will, given its inability to stay realistic on its projected budgets & assumptions elsewhere.)
RustyNails
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I'd guess right around the time Bernie Sanders became the gatekeeper of progressivism
What's the point of that letter anyway. Does he think John Lewis is going to read the letter and go "whoops, i screwed up!"? Leave the dude alone. He really doesn't need to go through this shit.
On a completely off-topic: There is nothing to gain for Obama to recess appoint now and everything to lose by not making the GOP go through their shitfit about confirmation hearings. It's simply not happening. If in the event that the next President is indeed Trump (and Hillary is behind bars), Obama can do a recess appointment in Jan next year before the next Congress begins.
SuperPacs have been a mixed blessing at the Presidential level but they've helped Republicans win a ton of state and local races by swamping them with money.
That's correct, it's how Rauner won Illinois. That and utter apathy in the midterms
OrangeGrayBlue
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What's the point of that letter anyway. Does he think John Lewis is going to read the letter and go "whoops, i screwed up!"? Leave the dude alone. He really doesn't need to go through this shit.
On a completely off-topic: There is nothing to gain for Obama to recess appoint now and everything to lose by not making the GOP go through their shitfit about confirmation hearings. It's simply not happening. If in the event that the next President is indeed Trump (and Hillary is behind bars), Obama can do a recess appointment in Jan next year before the next Congress begins.
I believe Obama has already said he's not doing a recess appointment.
Spoiled Milk
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How much lower was the revenue than what they expected?
(I'm also expecting the actual cost of that plan to come out significantly higher than his campaign says it will, given its inability to stay realistic on its projected budgets & assumptions elsewhere.)
.Borg said:...90%-99% of traders in bonds, equities and derivatives moved out of Stockholm to London...
It's a double edged sword for the gop too. It might help a lot in the purple states, but in the deep red it can cause a tea party flank.That's correct, it's how Rauner won Illinois. That and utter apathy in the midterms
McConnell found this out the hard way when he ran tom Coburn out of Washington for dealing with the democrats and ended up having his seat lost to a tea party when "I have no outsider money" started getting thrown around as a campaign slogan.
Ogrekiller
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SuperPacs have been a mixed blessing at the Presidential level but they've helped Republicans win a ton of state and local races by swamping them with money.
It doesn't help that the length of the presidential nomination process has been stretched out to a ridiculous extent because of the intense interest involved.
You need huge amounts of money to get off the ground. On the other hand radical views also gain traction due to the immense amounts of coverage if the money is not a problem.
All which contributes to a set of intensely fought battles by candidates of both parties measured in the span of years.
The best part is campaigning starts even earlier as a result of getting the message out due to the blowing up of the invisible primary and the rapid spread of information.
eBay Huckster
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So basically, that tax is a nonstarter.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Rubio bringing the 3-5-3 to the SEC is going to be something, not sure about how he'll do against teams with good receiving corps.
BoboBrazil
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Are we going to get a winner speech again for 3rd place? I think he will slip to 4th behind Jeb now that W came out of hiding to campaign for him.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha "That would be a strong finish for him." Ahahahahaa God I love participation ribbon culture. So much SPIN.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha "That would be a strong finish for him." Ahahahahaa God I love participation ribbon culture. So much SPIN.
"Participation trophies have destroyed America"-Political party that takes third place finishes as victories and once had a debate for people polling between 11th and 17th.
Cesare Borgia
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if trump wins SC why does he lose going by history? Past nominees have won NH and SC. He is following the traditional path. Rubio winning would be unprecedented.
He sweeps everything except for TX & Rubio is supposed to somehow overtake him by finally winning on March 15th with FL? get out of here.
It's possible given that the media and GOP establishment want him to win. I think we're getting close to the party consolidating behind someone, likely Rubio unless someone drops the bomb on him. The problem is that Bush isn't dropping out anytime soon and his people seem like they'll destroy Rubio as payback for "disloyalty." I'm guessing Kasich will drop out sometime in March, but I'm assuming that he doesn't catch on in many states outside of Ohio.
The establishment needs this to become a 1v1 but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen. Cruz has the money to last and plenty of states play to his strengths. Some might argue Trump v Cruz v Rubio would help the establishment by splitting the crazy vote but at this point it seems more like a recipe for multiple 40-35-25 finishes, with Trump on top.
Just watch, if Rubio comes in third in SC he'll get breathless media coverage about how he "came back" from a fatal NH loss. When you "win" by merely playing the game the facts don't matter.
Hey, Bernie Sanders supporters.
Explain to me how he's supposed to fund the College For All Act with a tax on speculation if they tried it in Sweden and it didn't produce the expected results?
http://www.businessinsider.com/swed...an-financial-transaction-tax-wont-work-2011-9
Transaction taxes:
- Reduce the efficiency of the market, which actually reduces the revenue produced by the tax
- Reduce investment in the market, which slows growth and kills jobs
- Has no noticeable effect on speculation, so it doesn't do what it's supposed to do
What's with this business of trying to match specific taxes to specific spending?
Anyway, this tax sounds like it'd just ruin the arbitrage on my ETF's (and other things), which would be lame.
Basileus777
Member
Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha "That would be a strong finish for him." Ahahahahaa God I love participation ribbon culture. So much SPIN.
It's especially farcical in a state where 3rd place could very well net him 0 delegates.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
What's with this business of trying to match specific taxes to specific spending?
Anyway, this tax sounds like it'd just ruin the arbitrage on my ETF's (and other things), which would be lame.
Some Bernie supporters on my facebook lately have been posting a "how would it be paid for image" that links specific proposals to specific ideas like that, that's where that linkage came from. Not sure if it was official Sanders campaign material although it looked like it could have been
Spoiled Milk
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What's with this business of trying to match specific taxes to specific spending?
Anyway, this tax sounds like it'd just ruin the arbitrage on my ETF's (and other things), which would be lame.
Some Bernie supporters on my facebook lately have been posting a "how would it be paid for image" that links specific proposals to specific ideas like that, that's where that linkage came from. Not sure if it was official Sanders campaign material although it looked like it could have been
The speculation tax is precisely how he says he would fund it.
BoboBrazil
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It's possible given that the media and GOP establishment want him to win. I think we're getting close to the party consolidating behind someone, likely Rubio unless someone drops the bomb on him. The problem is that Bush isn't dropping out anytime soon and his people seem like they'll destroy Rubio as payback for "disloyalty." I'm guessing Kasich will drop out sometime in March, but I'm assuming that he doesn't catch on in many states outside of Ohio.
The establishment needs this to become a 1v1 but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen. Cruz has the money to last and plenty of states play to his strengths. Some might argue Trump v Cruz v Rubio would help the establishment by splitting the crazy vote but at this point it seems more like a recipe for multiple 40-35-25 finishes, with Trump on top.
Just watch, if Rubio comes in third in SC he'll get breathless media coverage about how he "came back" from a fatal NH loss. When you "win" by merely playing the game the facts don't matter.
When he is in 5th in NH, Fox News had a huge caption on the bottom of the screen saying Rubio was fighting for 3rd place and they cut out of the 2nd place winner's speech to show Rubio's.
Jack Remington
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I'm curious if the rise of Trump and Sanders as major candidates in this election, have any relation to the fact that all Millenials are now eligible to vote. Back in '08 when Obama was first running, the oldest Millenials were 21.
They were 24 or 25 in 2008.
Some Bernie supporters on my facebook lately have been posting a "how would it be paid for image" that links specific proposals to specific ideas like that, that's where that linkage came from. Not sure if it was official Sanders campaign material although it looked like it could have been
His website does specifically link this tax and free tuition.
Has proposed a financial transaction tax which will reduce risky and unproductive high-speed trading and other forms of Wall Street speculation; proceeds would be used to provide debt-free public college education.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/reforming-wall-street/
It's a winner take all primary FFS. His 5th in New Hampshire will end up being worth more delegates.
Black Republican
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Exactly 2 weeks til Super Tuesday, how far we've come
March 1st
March 1st
- Alabama
- Alaska *GOP*
- American Samoa *Dem*
- Arkansas
- Colorado
- Georgia
- Massachusetts
- Minnesota
- North Dakota *GOP*
- Oklahoma
- Tennessee
- Texas
- Vermont
- Virginia
- Wyoming *GOP*
This quote is going to be useful to use in the future- http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/16/us/politics/left-leaning-economists-question-cost-of-bernie-sanderss-plans.html?smid=tw-shareSome Bernie supporters on my facebook lately have been posting a "how would it be paid for image" that links specific proposals to specific ideas like that, that's where that linkage came from. Not sure if it was official Sanders campaign material although it looked like it could have been
Alluding to one progressive analysts criticism of the Sanders agenda as puppies and rainbows, Mr. Goolsbee said that after his and others further study, theyve evolved into magic flying puppies with winning Lotto tickets tied to their collars.
neurosisxeno
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Hey, Bernie Sanders supporters.
Explain to me how he's supposed to fund the College For All Act with a tax on speculation if they tried it in Sweden and it didn't produce the expected results?
http://www.businessinsider.com/swed...an-financial-transaction-tax-wont-work-2011-9
Transaction taxes:
- Reduce the efficiency of the market, which actually reduces the revenue produced by the tax
- Reduce investment in the market, which slows growth and kills jobs
- Has no noticeable effect on speculation, so it doesn't do what it's supposed to do
If I recall correctly the Swedish Transaction Tax also had a ton of loopholes. As it mentions, 90-99% of investors just moved to London and did their transactions from abroad, which allowed them to completely avoid the tax (not entirely sure on the specifics, but I know it was easy to avoid which is why the revenue was so shitty). The Swedish attempt was also between 0.1% and 0.5%, the tax proposed by Senator Sanders would be a much lower 0.01%.
The obvious solution is to ensure if you want to trade on our market you have to pay said tax, and because there are so many transactions daily, it is made up for in volume. It also cuts down on HFT which is a crapshoot of good and bad, which overall makes the market more stable. Obviously those 2 points are somewhat contradictory, but you can't have your cake and rip it off financially too. I think the biggest issue people seem to avoid comparing the 2, is that you can probably avoid Sweden's Market, but the US is so big it's almost impossible for any corporation not to trade on it.
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