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[ItWasMeantToBe19]

He actually did in the 80s. Things I'm guessing the right is saving. Could probably just have his quotes and Marx's next to each other's and run that as an add

Damn flipfloppers, where is Bernie's consistency on seizing the means of production.

Consistency on the stance of seizing the means of production:

Hillary: 1
Bernie: 0

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Okay finally something to make me reconsider my Bernie vote.
Not because I disagree but because that's currently way to risky if real.
I wasn't worried about fake attacks but this is different.

This is the quote

Democracy means public ownership of the major means of production, it means decentralization, it means involving people in their work. Rather than having bosses and workers it means having democratic control over the factories and shops to as great a degree as you can.

The quote, in context isn't too bad. But you can lop that off and make a kick ass ad.

 

[brainchild]

They're insignificant because the primary isn't over. Things change when you see the Republican alternative.

We're getting into semantics a bit, but it'd be more accurate to say that the poll itself is not that significant in the primary. However, the percentage points in terms of relative proportion to the rest of the base is not insignificant.

I'm not saying that the numbers will stay that way, but ideally you don't want to have to depend on a double digit recovery in percentage points going into the general election.

 

[Iolo]

Sanders Economist Gerald Friedman: "I'm for seizing the means of production, but it can't be the single issue"

 

[kirblar]

Okay finally something to make me reconsider my Bernie vote.
Not because I disagree but because that's currently way to risky if real.
I wasn't worried about fake attacks but this is different.

Republicans have to invent nothing on Bernie. He's had that socialist label for decades for a reason. It's not an accident that his attacks on Wall Street sound very much like attacks on the "bourgeois" from another era.

 

[SenorArdilla]

Sanders Economist Gerald Friedman: "I'm for seizing the means of production, but it can't be the single issue"

"Democrats in Disarray: Infighting between Self-confessed Communists"

 

[shinra-bansho]

He apparently had a pet grudge with the Illuminati billionaire Rockefellers, where he wanted to seize their personal assets to be used.

I guess the idea of confiscating assets from the rich could play well in the current electorate. Although, it's also incredibly easy to spin for the GOP.

I think the idea that he can't be swiftboated is pretty naive.

 

[Macho Madness]

So I looked up the guy who was the subject of my first political ad of the season, Trey Hollingsworth.

I believe there is a big difference between people in the private sector earning a living and politicians living off our earnings. In my opinion, you shouldn’t ask for the right to spend our tax dollars until you have had to honestly earn them from outside government.

I believe in term limits. Public service should not be a career path. I promise you that I will serve no more than eight years as your Representative.

I believe in shrinking government and oppose legislating so-called “solutions.” We need to free American innovators and families from the tentacles of a bloated government.

I believe in Christian family values; what good is an efficient government if it is not a principled government? Sadly, none of us think of “principled” when we think of today’s political class.

Wow I agree with nothing this guy wants to do. I'm not in his district though. Nice waste of money.

 

[Jay-Hova]

Republicans have to invent nothing on Bernie. He's had that socialist label for decades for a reason. It's not an accident that his attacks on Wall Street sound very much like attacks on the "bourgeois" from another era.

I was just hoping that any quotes of Bernie saying "means of production" or anything were buried where no one would find them even though I've personally believed he had more socialist beliefs that he just couldn't express.

 

[Officerrob]

Hillary is the first campaign in Virginia with ads on the air:

http://www.wdbj7.com/news/local/Clinton-campaign-first-on-the-air-in-Virginia/38068018

 

[Iolo]

He apparently had a pet grudge with the Illuminati billionaire Rockefellers, where he wanted to seize their personal assets to be used.

I guess the idea of confiscating assets from the rich could play well in the current electorate. Although, it's also incredibly easy to spin for the GOP.

The Death Tax or, Marxed for Death: How Socialist Sanders and the Demoncrats are Coming for your Lifeblood

 

[kirblar]

Hillary is the first campaign in Virginia with ads on the air:

http://www.wdbj7.com/news/local/Clinton-campaign-first-on-the-air-in-Virginia/38068018

Not a surprise, this is a battleground come November.

 

[thepotatoman]

Bernie went after Bill Clintons presidency too and basically said his record was crap and he hurt blacks.

This guy has no loyalty to the party and is going to be devastating to it.

I mean this guy is getting away with shitty on all the progress that has been made over the years because its not enough. It's not true progressivism. It's the same thing Cruz does.

Maybe the party wouldn't be so subject to a Sanders insurgency if they didn't put all of their chips on Hillary.

Sanders wouldn't even had run if Elizabeth Warren ran.

When you tell everyone who's remotely loyal to the party to step aside for Hillary, don't be surprised if someone not loyal to the party fills that hole.

 

[Suikoguy]

This is like gender equivalent of saying "all lives matter"

Wow, that's a perfect spot-on comparison.

 

[SenorArdilla]

Wow, that's a perfect spot-on comparison.

Bernie has no idea how to sell his ideas without coming off as out-of-touch or naïve.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/bernie-sanders-radical-past-how-the-vermont-230255076.html

Other parts of Sanders’ Liberty Union platform went well beyond anything he is currently advocating. In 1973, UPI reported that Sanders urged Vermont’s congressional delegation to “give serious thought to the nationalization of the oil industry.”

The following year, the Bennington Banner reported Sanders’ Senate campaign was focused on “two prime issues.” The first was rate increases for electric and telephone service, which the paper said Sanders sought to confront with “public takeover of all privately owned electric utilities in the state.” Sanders’ plan for public ownership of utility companies involved the businesses being seized from their owners.

It was a view he would carry forward into his 1976 gubernatorial bid: That year Sanders said the Liberty Union platform called for a state takeover of utilities “without compensation to the banks and wealthy individuals who own them.”

These weren’t the only assets Sanders suggested should be seized from the wealthy.

Sanders’ second main theme in his 1974 Senate race was what the Bennington Banner called his “own pet issue,” the “incredible economic power of the Rockefeller family.” As a presidential candidate and member of Congress, Sanders has assailed the influence billionaires and megadonors hold over American politics and media. However, his plan for the Rockefellers went much further, with Sanders implying he would push to have the family’s fortune used to fund government programs. In a 1974 press release, Sanders said “the incredible wealth and power of this family must be broken up.” The Rockefellers’ billions should be “used to create a decent standard of living for all people” by being redirected toward government social programs for the elderly or lower taxes.

Sanders was in the middle of running on an anti-Rockefeller platform in August 1974 when reports began to emerge that President Ford planned to nominate Nelson Rockefeller to be his vice president after the impeachment and resignation of President Nixon. Sanders was apoplectic and sent a letter to Ford urging him to pick someone else because “the Rockefellers are already the richest and most powerful family in the world.” Sanders warned that the appointment “could be the beginning of a virtual Rockefeller family dictatorship over the nation.” Rockefeller was officially nominated about a week later and went on to become vice president.

Yeah americas is going to love this

 

[Iolo]

Maybe the party wouldn't be so subject to a Sanders insurgency if they didn't put all of their chips on Hillary.

Sanders wouldn't even had run if Elizabeth Warren ran.

When you tell everyone who's remotely loyal to the party to step aside for Hillary, don't be surprised if someone not loyal to the party fills that hole.

17 people ran on the republican side and they're still getting killed by a guy not loyal to the party.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Umm, if you're going to quote an article, you should probably link/quote tag it. EDIT: nvm

 

[Macho Madness]

Is it me or are most of the "Hillary is evil" types not even in the US?

 

[thezerofire]

Is it me or are most of the "Hillary is evil" types not even in the US?

that dude...like if you have to be taught how videos can be deceptively edited there isn't any hope

 

[kirblar]

Is it me or are most of the "Hillary is evil" types not even in the US?

I've noticed that out of the hyper-vocal pro-Bernie/Anti-hillary ones as well.

 

[SenorArdilla]

Is it me or are most of the "Hillary is evil" types not even in the US?

Makes sense. Bernie would basically be considered a typical liberal politician in most of Europe. Hillary would be considered a conservative politician. And the entire Republican party would be considered a fringe group.

 

[Kyosaiga]

Town Hall on MSNBC is live now.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Makes sense. Bernie would basically be considered a typical liberal politician in most of Europe. Hillary would be considered a conservative politician. And the entire Republican party would be considered a fringe group.

Can we not do this every time.

Its so damn wrong.

 

[Effect]

That boo by the audience toward Sanders again saying he didn't run against Obama but Hillary did. He needs to stop trying to do that.

 

[Aaron Strife]

90% of Democrats voting the party line is about standard for general elections, nothing to fret about.

Saw (well heard) Bernie and Hillary ads running in Minnesota.

 

[disastermouse]

Finance reform doesn't really stop a bakery from refusing to sell a wedding cake to two lesbians.

Everyone knows that the October Revolution could not begin until the Czar addressed the baking needs of gay comrades.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Everyone knows that the October Revolution could not begin until the Czar addressed the baking needs of gay comrades.

Is this saying what I think its trying to? (even if its attempting to be humorous)

 

[Holmes]

Just read the Gerald Friedman thread. I know Melkr was being a bit snarky but smh at the rest.

 

[Officerrob]

That boo by the audience toward Sanders again saying he didn't run against Obama but Hillary did. He needs to stop trying to do that.

It's a very poor rebuttal, but he really has nothing else to go on

 

[kirblar]

Can we not do this every time.

Its so damn wrong.

Europe is always the land of rainbows and unicorns for a set of people here in the US.

In reality, of course, guys like Trump keep getting elected there.

 

[royalan]

Is there no thread for the democratic town hall tonight?

 

[Basileus777]

90% of Democrats voting the party line is about standard for general elections, nothing to fret about.

People will get line behind the nominee, the same will happen on the Republican side. Every single primary season gets people to freak out over party unity and it almost never is a real issue in modern Presidential elections.

 

[Officerrob]

Is there no thread for the democratic town hall tonight?

There are probably dozens of people watching...

 

[Paskil]

There are probably dozens of people watching...

Any links? Ain't nobody got time for cable.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

It's been fascinating to watch this thread go from being pro-Hillary but fairly positive on Bernie, but just not enough to want to vote for him, to seemingly hating his guts and thinking he's some kind of vile narcissist who's going to undo every bit of good achieved in the last 30 years.

I still like Bernie just fine, by the way, and hope he remains a Cato-like figure for the Dems in Congress for years to come.

Edit: Also, considering Bill has been attacking Bernie and treating him like an asshole for weeks, Bernie has every right to hit him back and point out the ills he perpetrated during his own presidency. Glass houses and all.

 

[Officerrob]

Any links? Ain't nobody got time for cable.

I'm not a millennial, I have cable

 

[Iolo]

Just read the Gerald Friedman thread. I know Melkr was being a bit snarky but smh at the rest.

That's why I didn't want to make that thread, it certainly ended with a bang.

 

[Teggy]

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/269950-cruz-to-miss-scalias-funeral

Cruz seems to be getting dumber as the campaign progresses, this is an obvious fail that Rubio seems far more likely to make than Cruz.

I mean, I guess it doesn't need to be repeated, but I am going to repeat it anyway because it's kind of cathartic. Cruz is an asshole and maybe the worst person in America. "Faithless"? What are you implying there Ted? Don't be a coward and say it.

 

[royalan]

There are probably dozens of people watching...

A shame. A woman just went IN on Bernie.

 

[Officerrob]

A shame. A woman just went IN on Bernie.

This audience looks pretty old

 

[royalan]

Bernie needs to stop cutting people off.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

It's been fascinating to watch this thread go from being pro-Hillary but fairly positive on Bernie, but just not enough to want to vote for him, to seemingly hating his guts and thinking he's some kind of vile narcissist who's going to undo every bit of good achieved in the last 30 years.

I still like Bernie just fine, by the way, and hope he remains a Cato-like figure for the Dems in Congress for years to come.

Edit: Also, considering Bill has been attacking Bernie and treating him like an asshole for weeks, Bernie has every right to hit him back and point out the ills he perpetrated during his own presidency. Glass houses and all.

He's threatening the party's chance in 2016

 

[Kyosaiga]

Bernie got a race question.

Oh, snap.

thisgonbegood.jpg

 

[B-Dubs]

A shame. A woman just went IN on Bernie.

On what issue?


EDIT: Goddamn it Bernie. You have a point, but it's way more complicated an issue than you're making it out to be.

 

[Officerrob]

Could they find a whiter guy to ask this question?

 

[Macho Madness]

The answer to the race question was "go to Behniesanduhsdotcum" and that's all I could take.

 

[Basileus777]

He's threatening the party's chance in 2016

He really hasn't damaged the party's chances as of now. And he's not going to win. Hillary is already showing signs that her messaging is better off because of these few weeks of uncertainty.

 

[kirblar]

It's been fascinating to watch this thread go from being pro-Hillary but fairly positive on Bernie, but just not enough to want to vote for him, to seemingly hating his guts and thinking he's some kind of vile narcissist who's going to undo every bit of good achieved in the last 30 years.

I still like Bernie just fine, by the way, and hope he remains a Cato-like figure for the Dems in Congress for years to come.

Edit: Also, considering Bill has been attacking Bernie and treating him like an asshole for weeks, Bernie has every right to hit him back and point out the ills he perpetrated during his own presidency. Glass houses and all.

You know how you might meet someone and like them at first, but the more they talk, the more you dislike them?

That's how it's been for me (and I presume others.)

 

[Effect]

The answer to the race question was "go to Behniesanduhsdotcum" and that's all I could take.

Went to get something eat once I heard that.