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[johnsmith]

This is every political thread tonight.

 

[disastermouse]

Yeah you're such a victim. Straight white males have it so rough in this country. No one cares about the straight white male anymore.

In my opinion, anyone who has his or her voice reduced wholly to gender, race, or sexual orientation is, indeed, a victim.

It just so happens that we straight white guys have been KILLING it the last couple hundred years! Well shit! All this time I figured that the right thing to do was try to understand the position of the other person and reflect on the argument. Why?!?! Why do that when I can just look at their gender/race/sexuality, notice that it's very different from mine, and then disregard their complaint entirely.

So easy!

 

[danm999]

Perfect.

 

[pigeon]

I seriously don't know why you let disastermouse troll you guys.

 

[QuiteWhittle]

I expect better than this sort of pettiness from you honestly

You did?

 

[The Technomancer]

In my opinion, anyone who has his or her voice reduced wholly to gender, race, or sexual orientation is, indeed, a victim.

It just so happens that we straight white guys have been KILLING it the last couple hundred years! Well shit! All this time I figured that the right thing to do was try to understand the position of the other person and reflect on the argument. Why?!?! Why do that when I can just look at their gender/race/sexuality, notice that it's very different from mine, and then disregard their complaint entirely.

So easy!

I mean...step back here...do you think that it is specifically incorrect that perhaps your racial background informs the level of pride and inspiration you did, or rather, did not take in Obama's presidency?

 

[disastermouse]

I'm a straight white guy and I don't feel my voice is unheard. But I also don't think that other people calling me on ignorance or on perspectives that might come from my background are an attempt to "silence me".

I'm actually genuinely surprised you specifically are complaining about being called out for "deviating from dogma" considering some of the political arguments I've seen you make in the past.

I'm not complaining about being called out for deviating from dogma - I'm complaining that my deviation from said dogma is resisted as, you know, an opinion that should be weighed and judged for accuracy and is instead dismissed due to my gender/race/sexual orientation.

 

[Brawndo Addict]

Yeah, and people who die of cancer because they can't get access sure do care about those distinctions!

https://mobile.twitter.com/citizencohn/status/700514873264836608

Ignoring the moral sanctimony, why is Bernie's plan not most analogous to Canada? Perhaps because that might force us to have serious and somber conversations about the sacrifices we'll need to make to obtain universal care. This isn't to say we shouldn't have universal care or that the sacrifices aren't worth it, but to pretend that health care resources are not fundamentally supply constrained is misleading.

 

[daedalius]

That's not what she said, though. She said, and I quote, "Maybe that's because every president before him looked exactly like you."

Exactly. Like. Me.

To the left, I will always just be a straight white male and my opinion can be completely disregarded due to that trifold fact!

Well shit, I have no voice in that group! Any deviation from dogma is reduced to my straight white maleness, and frankly, due to the terms of engagement, and the persistence of my straightness, my whiteness, and my maleness, my voice is unlikely to ever really be heard on the left.

On the right, though, I can join a chorus of millions.

Are you sure you're 41?

 

[disastermouse]

I seriously don't know why you let disastermouse troll you guys.

(Shhhhh!!!! Not yet!)

 

[JesseEwiak]

I'm not complaining about being called out for deviating from dogma - I'm complaining that my deviation from said dogma is resisted as, you know, an opinion that should be weighed and judged for accuracy and is instead dismissed due to my gender/race/sexual orientation.

It's being dismissed because whatever clever heterodox argument you have about race or gender, it's almost a guarantee they've heard it dozens of times from other straight white males, especially if they're open about being a person of color or a non-male on the Internet.

 

[The Technomancer]

(Shhhhh!!!! Not yet!)

Oh fuck you

 

[Aaron Strife]

Are you sure you're 41?

Maybe flip those digits?

 

[bishoptl]

I was just told on Twitter that the only reason I don't find Obama inspiring is because "Every president before him looked exactly like you." (I'm white, male, and straight).

So...all white straight guys look the same.

I'm really debating voting for Trump now. I mean, if it's going to be assumed that all my motivations for voting are due to my white-male-straightness, then fuck it. I get blowback for voting for everyone's interests, identity-wise, because I'm not a minority identity.

I'm a white, straight, male! Donald Trump might make my situation a lot better! I mean...brown people, black people, and gay people might have it rough, but what the fuck do I care? Shit, they're all making their choices in the South based on their black identity. Why don't I make mine based on mine?

"How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love Identity Politics"

If that's all it took, that says more than you probably intended.

 

[noshten]

What would you call a woman for Bernie that has a BernieBro personality? I had one come after me who had basically no clue how government works. She said if Bernie doesn't win she would vote for Trump and she isn't even a democrat. She just wants Bernie to win. She wouldn't listen to reason on why that would be so bad. This was a Colombian woman too.

A lot of people don't know/care how the government works - usually they don't vote.
To me the woman you described is probably in that mindset - now she can finally stick it to the establishment so she is more politically engaged than before. Lots of talk about single issue candidates but the elephant in the room is single issue voters.

 

[Veritigo_X]

disastermouse is one of my favorites here. Keep on keeping on.

 

[Cerium]

(Shhhhh!!!! Not yet!)

Oh so we're allowed to do this again?

 

[SenorArdilla]

To be fair, you can't realistically expect policies to change overnight.

I'm curious. Exactly how does health care in the US differ from that of other first-world countries aside from the whole UHC deal?

 

[disastermouse]

It's being dismissed because whatever clever heterodox argument you have about race or gender, it's almost a guarantee they've heard it dozens of times from other straight white males, especially if they're open about being a person of color or a non-male on the Internet.

Consider this:

Socialist Alternative had a member who posted something about male/female domestic violence.

I added the opinion that, as a man, the dominant culture of male expectation isn't exactly great for guys either.

The response was, 'Fuck you, we don't care that it's also bad for men!'

And then a month or so later, they quoted a woman who was specifically lamenting the ways that sexism and gender norms damage men!. It was accepted because a woman said it, even though, strictly speaking, a man is actually much better able to speak to how it damages men than a woman could.

I ain't got time for that kind of dumbfuckery. You don't want me? I'll put my resources to work for the only team that'll give me a voice (and a gun. A gun is a complimentary gift for joining the Fraternal Order of Straight White Men).

 

[Brawndo Addict]

To be fair, you can't realistically expect policies to change overnight.

I'm curious. Exactly how does health care in the US differ from that of other first-world countries aside from the whole UHC deal?

Because most countries are the size of one of our states. It's an issue of scale.

 

[Hexa]

(Shhhhh!!!! Not yet!)

Because I got banned for "cheerleading trolling" last time this happened in this exact thread, I am not going to say anything positive about your trolling. Instead I am going to admonish you.
"You are admonished".

 

[disastermouse]

Oh so we're allowed to do this again?

I meant that it was too soon to accuse me of being a troll.

It's a natural response to a sudden shift, but maybe one that is too facile.

 

[thehypocrite]

Because most countries are the size of one of our states. It's an issue of scale.

That's not a negative factor, it's actually a positive one.

 

[Cerium]

I meant that it was too soon to accuse me of being a troll.

It's a natural response to a sudden shift, but maybe one that is too facile.

Yeah I'm sure that's what you meant.

 

[Hexa]

That's not a negative factor, it's actually a positive one.

Not when our federal government is by design as inefficient and nonfunctional as possible.

 

[WaffleTaco]

Consider this:

Socialist Alternative had a member who posted something about male/female domestic violence.

I added the opinion that, as a man, the dominant culture of male expectation isn't exactly great for guys either.

The response was, 'Fuck you, we don't care that it's also bad for men!'

And then a month or so later, they quoted a woman who was specifically lamenting the ways that sexism and gender norms damage men!. It was accepted because a woman said it, even though, strictly speaking, a man is actually much better able to speak to how it damages men than a woman could.

I ain't got time for that kind of dumbfuckery. You don't want me? I'll put my resources to work for the only team that'll give me a voice (and a gun. A gun is a complimentary gift for joining the Fraternal Order of Straight White Men).

Honestly...if something like that happens, ignore them or just respond with how they are not being respectful or not acting in an intelligent manner.

 

[noshten]

I though it was only because Republicans wouldn't vote for it and would obstruct it while moderate Democrats would run away from the idea as soon as Super Pac start running attack ads "Senator Doe raising taxes to pay for his Commie President's Agenda".
Size has nothing to do with it - unless it's the size of certain wallets.

@HillaryClinton 14 minutes ago

We will have legislation to enact comprehensive immigration reform before Congress within my first 100 days in office.

Certain unicorns are better than others, especially ahead of Nevada

 

[BoboBrazil]

@HillaryClinton 14 minutes ago

We will have legislation to enact comprehensive immigration reform before Congress within my first 100 days in office.

 

[SenorArdilla]

Not when our federal government is by design as inefficient and nonfunctional as possible.

So there's too much red tape.

 

[thehypocrite]

Not when our federal government is by design as inefficient and nonfunctional as possible.

What does this even mean in regards to healthcare? If states & private sectors are so efficient as you claim, then why is everything so expensive for the end user?

 

[Hexa]

@HillaryClinton 14 minutes ago

We will have legislation to enact comprehensive immigration reform before Congress within my first 100 days in office.

Pssshh. Trump will have the wall in progress before he gets off the stage of his inauguration.

What does this even mean in regards to healthcare? If states & private sectors are so efficient as you claim, then why is everything so expensive for the end user?

Not like that, but in terms of regulation. It's impossible to get anything passed or really make changes to anything that has passed by the legislature. And the legislature knows fucking nothing about anything so they always pass corrupt crap favoring special interests which makes it impossible for stuff to actually work properly. It's a miracle anything gets done at all.

 

[Wilsongt]

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/02/17/3750519/wisconsin-voter-id-primary/

Wisconsin’s local primary election put the state’s new voter ID law to the test Tuesday, causing problems that left officials seriously concerned about how voters will be impacted this November.

The election decided several mayoral contests and helped conservative Justice Rebecca Bradley clear a key hurdle to maintaining her seat on the state’s powerful Supreme Court.

The law will be in place again for the presidential primary on April 5, which is likely to see greater voter turnout. But even in Tuesday’s local election, issues with ID arose.

Though the law’s implementation was mostly smooth, some students and veterans were unable to cast regular ballots, because the state doesn’t recognize a federal veterans’ benefits card or a state university ID for voting purposes.

Governor Walker
✔
@GovWalker

Voter turnout was high on Tuesday and the photo ID law worked fine. In Wisconsin, it should be easy to vote but hard to cheat.

What a son of a bitch.

Voter ID laws working as intended then.

 

[noshten]

What does this even mean in regards to healthcare? If states & private sectors are so efficient as you claim, then why is everything so expensive for the end user?

He is actually a conservative? They are the main proponents of government is inefficient slogan

The health care economy of scale is diluted by the scale of our physical geography. That and health care isn't as directly correlated with scaling as the widget factory.

The scale of geography is certainly nothing to sneeze at but maybe, just maybe we can look up and see how those commies up north did it

 

[Man w/ Glasses]

Bernie fans heeding the call of Trump or losing the bern, Paulites shifting to socialism, and Hilldawgs hilldawg'n.

Increasingly more difficult to separate PoliGAF from my immediate social circle as time goes on.

 

[The Technomancer]

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/02/17/3750519/wisconsin-voter-id-primary/



Governor Walker
✔
@GovWalker

Voter turnout was high on Tuesday and the photo ID law worked fine. In Wisconsin, it should be easy to vote but hard to cheat.

What a son of a bitch.

Voter ID laws working as intended then.

I am going to be fucking pissed if he manages to flip Wisconsin red on the back of this bullshit

 

[thehypocrite]

He is actually a conservative? They are the main proponents of government is inefficient slogan

That could be a reason, but I'm trying to understand his reasoning on the matter. His ideological affiliations would be secondary to that.

 

[Brawndo Addict]

That's not a negative factor, it's actually a positive one.

The health care economy of scale is diluted by the scale of our physical geography. That and health care isn't as directly correlated with scaling as the widget factory.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Hillary reminding people to vote for democratic senators during the town hall. This is a woman that cares about the future of the country.

 

[Big Green Anus]

I'm still having this weird feeling that the Democrats is going to lose this year. I'm not the biggest Obama fan, but I wish he could do a 3rd term since it will remove this uneasy feeling I have with Hillary or Bernie in the general election

 

[BoboBrazil]

I'm still having this weird feeling that the Democrats is going to lose this year. I'm not the biggest Obama fan, but I wish he could do a 3rd term since it will remove this uneasy feeling I have with Hillary or Bernie in the general election

Hillary beats all of them easily except for maybe Rubio. Sanders gets blown out by pretty much all of them.

 

[HylianTom]

Just gonna drop this here:

I must say.. If I ever get the chance to meet Cruz, I'm bringing him a triangle. And maybe a framed portrait of Pat Sajak, in case he ever needs to ward-off Mephistopheles.

 

[Suikoguy]

Hillary reminding people to vote for democratic senators during the town hall. This is a woman that cares about the future of the country.

Has Sanders said that even once?

 

[BoboBrazil]

Has Sanders said that even once?

Not that I know of, but he keeps yelling about some revolution.

 

[disastermouse]

Yeah I'm sure that's what you meant.

I sure wish I could read minds.

Or...maybe I don't.

 

[disastermouse]

Honestly...if something like that happens, ignore them or just respond with how they are not being respectful or not acting in an intelligent manner.

I can't use that. I get the 'Boo boo, straight white males have it so hard!' response.

Hell, I think I already got it here in this thread.

 

[thehypocrite]

The health care economy of scale is diluted by the scale of our physical geography. That and health care isn't as directly correlated with scaling as the widget factory.

But physical geography shouldn't be a factor on this, demographics & number of inhabitants are way more important from what I've read. Could you elaborate on that point?

 

[neurosisxeno]

Hillary beats all of them easily except for maybe Rubio. Sanders gets blown out by pretty much all of them.

Because fuck polls.

But physical geography shouldn't be a factor on this, demographics & number of inhabitants are way more important from what I've read. Could you elaborate on that point?

It doesn't matter that much. That argument is an industry standard for just about everything--we can't have fast internet because the country is too big, we can't have good health care because the country is too big, we can't have better schools because the country is too big. It's a bullshit argument that makes no sense. The reality with Health Care is that we have too many unhealthy people. We have an absurd obesity rate, and the unhealthy people drive up the cost substantially.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Because fuck polls.

Polls right now aren't an accurate representation of how things will look once the attacks start on Bernie in the general election. http://www.vox.com/2016/2/5/10923304/bernie-sanders-general-election

 

[neurosisxeno]

Polls right now aren't an accurate representation of how things will look once the attacks start on Bernie in the general election. http://www.vox.com/2016/2/5/10923304/bernie-sanders-general-election

If attacking Bernie were such a brilliant strategy why hasn't Hillary already done it?