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Black people are the establishment.
gutter_trash
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http://www.msnbc.com/tamron-hall/watch/rep-clyburn-endorses-hillary-clinton-626318403853
Rep. Clyburn's endorsement speech of the next President
Rep. Clyburn's endorsement speech of the next President
shinra-bansho
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A big fat mess.
OrangeGrayBlue
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^Not Bernie's best moment, certainly. While he's right that Clinton hypes up Obama for political reasons, appealing to black voters among them, you can't just, like... say that. You have to wrap up a comment like that with praise for Obama prefacing and following it.
Also, I'm just catching up on the town hall last night and these answers are not as doom and gloom as you guys were suggesting. I seriously thought Bernie's response to the racial justice question was going to be "Go to my website" and nothing else based on what you all were saying.
Also, I'm just catching up on the town hall last night and these answers are not as doom and gloom as you guys were suggesting. I seriously thought Bernie's response to the racial justice question was going to be "Go to my website" and nothing else based on what you all were saying.
shinra-bansho
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I mean the post makes valid points.
It's pandering when you talk about minorities and try to win their votes. It's just plain old campaigning when you try to appeal to the normative or privileged.
Although, he's one of those establishment black people (English works for the DCCC).
It's pandering when you talk about minorities and try to win their votes. It's just plain old campaigning when you try to appeal to the normative or privileged.
Although, he's one of those establishment black people (English works for the DCCC).
gutter_trash
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political posturing for endorsements is part of the game as it is courting certain demographics
but the Sanders campaign have been clumsy on their handling of Hilary's Uterus and Obama's significance as the first non-white President.
Isn't the Sanders campaign also trying to convince certain demographics to vote for him, for sure he is.... he courted gun nuts by voting against the Brady Bill and stuff like that
but the Sanders campaign have been clumsy on their handling of Hilary's Uterus and Obama's significance as the first non-white President.
Isn't the Sanders campaign also trying to convince certain demographics to vote for him, for sure he is.... he courted gun nuts by voting against the Brady Bill and stuff like that
User 463088
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Ya, but of the two, she's the only one who ran against him. Bernie only just hinted, wink wink nudge nudge, someone should run against the sitting President. So it's all okay. Because reasons.
/s
eBay Huckster
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Got a friend saying she is losing to all the gop and bernie is winning.
Cesare Borgia
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Is he wrong? It's pretty obvious. Clinton is doing the smart thing, tying herself to the president and running as his heir. This is even more important for her to do in African American states where he is even more popular. She is also running against someone who has distanced himself from the president, thus making her embrace even more of an advantage.
I don't believe Sanders is saying the "only" reason Clinton is doing this is to attract black voters. She was doing this in Iowa and NH as well.
Macho Madness
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Yes. General election polls 2 states into a primary. With a guy the public does not know, and if they do know, they're not hearing the attacks that could hit him from the GOP.
My family, there's not one loser among them. And if there were, we'd drown them in a sack in the Hudson River.
Real Clear Politics is saying Hillary is getting the smack down in the general...
Spoiled Milk
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html
She's losing a lot. But just like the hypothetical Bernie matchups, the truth is that the race hasn't happened yet. Once people start paying attention, Clinton will likely dominate all of them. For instance, Kasich Having such a huge spread is obviously wrong.
I don't think Bernie should have said that, but I would be lying if I said I like how Hillary brings up Obama and the tone she uses. She uses the topic in a very malicious way. She certainly doesn't sound authentic or genuine whenever she brings him up either. Or perhaps I'm reading her wrong.
shinra-bansho
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I think they both need to appeal to minority voters given the remaining primary electorate is basically half minority. But I do see that last point in that post as particularly notable - pandering v. campaigning.
But President Obama is still immensely popular with Democrats in general, and she was already hugging him for dear life and trying to become his heir-apparent before. She has a pretty valid link to him as a former member of the Administration.
It's just become even more obvious now in the run up to SC and Super Tuesday.
I think the problem arises more in how Sanders has tried to turn this into a negative against her. Like it or not, his statements do come across as if he's saying it's the only reason and she's only doing it now.
His tenuous ties and past statements to the sitting President don't help him here.
But President Obama is still immensely popular with Democrats in general, and she was already hugging him for dear life and trying to become his heir-apparent before. She has a pretty valid link to him as a former member of the Administration.
It's just become even more obvious now in the run up to SC and Super Tuesday.
I think the problem arises more in how Sanders has tried to turn this into a negative against her. Like it or not, his statements do come across as if he's saying it's the only reason and she's only doing it now.
His tenuous ties and past statements to the sitting President don't help him here.
NYCmetsfan
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Is sanders pandering to liberal whites by promising to turn us into Europe, put their desires for Wall Street reform above all else and subtlety saying Clinton is prioritizing minoritiy interests over theirs in his statement?
In a way, Clinton may want to be President, but it's kind of touching of how protective she's become of Obama, almost like he's a sacred cow.
I'd like to believe that she's both loyal to both the man and his accomplishments.
Macho Madness
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https://twitter.com/alexweprin/status/700430588717764609
Let's hope Bernie has a better answer this time.
Let's hope Bernie has a better answer this time.
eBay Huckster
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Also, turns out it's only USA Today/Suffolk showing her losing against absolutely everyone (which is what I actually meant by that
)Big Baybee
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Bringing up a popular president, especially when you were involved in the administration, is malicious?
Re; cozying up to Obama. It's half Sanders' campaigns fault anyway.
You can't portray someone as being part of the political establishment for months and months when its beneficial in states with lots of skeptical independents then expect the label to fall away when you hit the bigger states where the voters actually quite like the establishment and the person leading it.
Or, maybe it is possible but the Sanders campaign never figured out how to do it. There was never a significant change in rhetoric after New Hampshire.
You can't portray someone as being part of the political establishment for months and months when its beneficial in states with lots of skeptical independents then expect the label to fall away when you hit the bigger states where the voters actually quite like the establishment and the person leading it.
Or, maybe it is possible but the Sanders campaign never figured out how to do it. There was never a significant change in rhetoric after New Hampshire.
What little merit Bernie's comment might have held is completely diminished by the fact that it came from him of all people, a senator from a state where the black community is openly critical of his inaction, and possessing such a dearth of modern relevance to the plight of black folk nationally that he himself had to fall back on the "Remember I matched with King" talking point at last night's town hall.
His comment was uncalled for because, for all her faults, Hillary Clinton has done more in support of black people, and in supporting black democrats, than he has.
His comment was uncalled for because, for all her faults, Hillary Clinton has done more in support of black people, and in supporting black democrats, than he has.
User 463088
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FYI. Just a heads up
If your supervisor asks you how in the hell you (as an American) know who the PM of Canada is the correct answer is not "Because I want to bang him." Just putting that out there.
I was also thinking that we should set up some kind of schedule in the event of a Hillary loss tomorrow. That way, we can all take turns rending our garments and howling at the moon. I think we should take turns, you know.
If your supervisor asks you how in the hell you (as an American) know who the PM of Canada is the correct answer is not "Because I want to bang him." Just putting that out there.
I was also thinking that we should set up some kind of schedule in the event of a Hillary loss tomorrow. That way, we can all take turns rending our garments and howling at the moon. I think we should take turns, you know.
Yah more to hurt us.
Edit:from my perspective
I'm more worried about my Trump investment tbh.
OrangeGrayBlue
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Awww shucky ducky!
I always feel that racial issues are treated as a secondary issue, even among democrats. It's nice to have a town hall dedicated to them.
shinra-bansho
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I mean to further note why it was an ill-advised comment to make.
They're both visiting HBCUs.
They're both attending church services with black congregations, prayer breakfasts and so forth.
They're both going on Al Sharpton's show and talking to the leadership of the National Urban League.
They're both talking about racial crime, poverty, morbidity and mortality statistics.
They're both bringing in DREAMers as surrogates.
And they're both praising a Democratic President who's highly popular across the board in the party, to the degree they're able.
They're both visiting HBCUs.
They're both attending church services with black congregations, prayer breakfasts and so forth.
They're both going on Al Sharpton's show and talking to the leadership of the National Urban League.
They're both talking about racial crime, poverty, morbidity and mortality statistics.
They're both bringing in DREAMers as surrogates.
And they're both praising a Democratic President who's highly popular across the board in the party, to the degree they're able.
whew, such ample opportunity for him to get eviscerated.
I know, but I am expecting more than 1 poll
and find that poll a little unbelievable
You haven't cashed out yet? Jesus, you've got balls of steel.
User 463088
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Look, if he sweeps South Carolina and Nevada what is going to stop him? Who is going to stop him? Rubio? Naw.
why you say that? NH results probably bled in to MA. MA is also an open primary with plenty of Independents.
Because MA is not NH. Look at the polls - when Bernie was ahead in NH he was still way behind in MA.
OrangeGrayBlue
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I get the impression that Hillary will do well in the South and Bernie will do well in New England throughout these primaries. The only southern states I think Bernie has any chance in are Kentucky and West Virginia (if you consider WV southern). As for New England, Massachusetts is probably Hillary's best shot but I think it'll still swing toward Bernie.
It might be true but it is a huge 1 month swing so iwannaseetherecipts.gif
NYCmetsfan
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That's driven purely by greenwalds hatred of sabens Israel support.
Coriolanus
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Should i also answer that if they ask me how i know who the 64th mayor of Toronto was?
It just her tone. It sounds really fake. Its as if she's using it to score points. Theres more meaning to what people say than just words.
She went on about her continued support of Obama and tried attacked Bernie regarding that. At the end of the exchange, it just left a bad taste in my mouth. She always comes off as a strong and independent individual, and she personally hanged on to that Obama card for a little bit too long during that exchange, to the point where it got me asking if she's running a campaign for herself or for Obama.
I was born and raised in the bronx, so perhaps its more of a culture thing. We say someones a good leader/boss and thats it. She was on the border of pandering. Even my own mother started laughing and she's undecided.
Coriolanus
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She tried that once. It didn't work out so well.
Nazgul_Hunter
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Her tone might be different because she's using it as a line of attack, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's insincere about it, or that she would talk about it differently *still for political gain* in a completely different tone if she were not going against sanders
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