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PoliGAF 2016 |OT| Ask us about our performance with Latinos in Nevada
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SolicitorPirate
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Well, some of us do work in finance (or did, in my case) and would like to remind other posters that we aren't fraudsters who drown kittens in our spare time.
Personally, I think regulators are all brave and noble souls, and everyone else is a bastard, a liar and a cheat
Fenderputty
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It's in weird pockets in California. Orange and SD counties have them for the coastal areas. The rest remain inland in yokel territory.
UltimaPooh
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They sued 17 different institutions.
It wasn't 1 or 2 or even 3.
At what point would you consider it systemic?
I'm down with financial services.
But we all gotta bow down to the sweet, sweet big guberment regulation.
Macho Madness
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Reagan's state it is not.
superdeluxe
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I mean, I explained in my post exactly why
It had nothing to do with how MANY banks were sued. That does not seem relevant to the discussion to me! If you want to respond to me, why not, like, respond to the things I am saying?
Elaugaufein
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Hypothetically if I was going to try and peg Dishonest on Obama, I'd probably go with the National Security / Transparency angle, where he really doesn't have a spectacular record relative to his campaign promises (and you can maybe chain that back to the Military Industrial Complex (and hence Corporations) if you're the kind of person who gets paid for this ie not me). But that's always dicey since people's reactions to NatSec / Law Enforcement is totally fucked up, it's much better for someones career in those areas to run down 47 innocent people and make their lives a living hell than to let 1 guilty person / terrorist get away / through.
metalslimer
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Hopefully after Super Tuesday we can start looking forward to the general.
Macho Madness
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Illinois conducted by Paul Simon Institute/SIU
Clinton 51
Sanders 32
Clinton 51
Sanders 32
UltimaPooh
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What you describe in your post sounds like you are responding to an argument about a conspiracy to commit something.
They did commit fraud and it was across the board. Yeah sure it was created by a speculative market and other happenstances... but when it did occur it was fraudulent behavior... not just at a few institutions.
This doesn't mean that I think the finance sector is so terrible and awful but it definitely needs to be put in check... and it needs a system that doesn't allow for such harmful bubbles to occur.
Elaugaufein
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I look forward to pages of mortified disapproval about how some Bernie supporters aren't supporting Hillary interspersed with pages about how they are all idiots nd/or privileged and the relationship between the two being completely ignored (wait that means nothing will change at all).
RustyNails
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My wife is a BernieGirl but I'm a Clintonista. I dont think I can convince her to vote for Clinton
I thought IL was a place where Sanders had a chance?
I guess if every undecided goes to him it'll be close....
Poodlestrike
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Honestly, I dislike Bernie's focus on Hillary's wall street connections for the very simple reason that I dislike any argument grounded in the idea that your disagreements are down to bad faith. It shows a view of the world centered around the idea that you're right, and anybody who disagrees with you is either stupid or evil (corrupt, in this case). If Bernie thinks her policies are fundamentally flawed, attack her policies. If he has proof of corruption, offer it. Otherwise it's all just half-truths and passive aggressive bullshit. Bullshit, I might add, that really does have the potential to damage Hillary in the general vs. Trump. Like playing with hand grenades.
superdeluxe
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Hillary is going to clean up in Urban city areas. Chicago, Detroit etc will carry her to wins in those states imho.
RustyNails
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Lots and lots of Obama love in Chicago. That will help Hillary. But the suburbs are wack. I saw a Ben Carson sticker a week ago.
UltimaPooh
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I did too... but it was southern Missouri.
superdeluxe
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def looking forward to filling out possible cabinet/running mate picks.
shinra-bansho
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Those polls are pretty brutal. #disarray
I like that one is conducted by Channel 2 ACTION NEWS.
I like that one is conducted by Channel 2 ACTION NEWS.
VendettaRed07
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I'm kind of not looking forward towards the general if it is against Trump.
It will be ugly. Ugly as hell. Trump will bring up literally every single possible past scandal, Monica Lewinsky, etc. It will be a sexist nightmare.
Ted Cruz will probably stick to the emails and other things nobody cares about. Which is why I'd prefer he won this.
eBay Huckster
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man, it's too bad I only visit Chicago two days AFTER the Illinois primary, because that seems like it's gonna be fun
Black Mamba
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It's no surprise to me the Republican Party is dying in California.
Republicans out here can be very different. So-called "former Republicans" or leaners that I've known for a while all care about the environment, climate change, often don't care about LGBT rights and abortion (or mildly support), and support strong defense but believe Iraq was a clusterfuck and are against a new war. The national party is far from them in this regard.
They mostly just want their tax cuts and maybe less regulations on their businesses (outside of energy industry).
Democrats out here are more like Sanders, Independents like Hillary, and Republicans like 2000 McCain (I guess, lacking a better comp on this one).
Republicans out here can be very different. So-called "former Republicans" or leaners that I've known for a while all care about the environment, climate change, often don't care about LGBT rights and abortion (or mildly support), and support strong defense but believe Iraq was a clusterfuck and are against a new war. The national party is far from them in this regard.
They mostly just want their tax cuts and maybe less regulations on their businesses (outside of energy industry).
Democrats out here are more like Sanders, Independents like Hillary, and Republicans like 2000 McCain (I guess, lacking a better comp on this one).
Ah, it would be 4 delegates for Bernie and probably 85 delegates for Clinton if this poll is taken at face value.
Wait, he's still climbing?
superdeluxe
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Is there a break down of the super delegates?
Basileus777
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Cruz is toast. Kasich seems to be pulling in a lot of Bush's support.
Cruz being 4 points behind Rubio is news worthy. If that holds up in other states Cruz is going to behind the delegate threshold where he is supposed to be winning.
If we're to assume that undecideds break evenly, this would be about 20 delegates to 14 for Bernie, but then breaking down by congressional district would probably yield delegate-rich districts in the Chicago area for Hillary while Bernie gets the southern Illinois delegates that have fewer Democrats.
There are 102 district delegates. Let me look to see the actual breakdown of them by district.
Let's say I show you an asset, tell you it's worth $100, and sell it to you at $100. Then later it turns out you can only get $20 for it.
Have I committed fraud? Maybe! You could certainly make a good argument for it!
Let's say after I sell it to you for $100 I buy like twenty more of the same asset at $100 and put them in my retirement account.
Have I committed fraud?
Fraud requires foreknowledge! Do my actions demonstrate a foreknowledge that the asset was overvalued? If I really thought the asset was valued at $100, then I didn't cheat you. I'm just an idiot.
In a speculative bubble, every individual speculator believes at all times that the value of the asset will continue to increase over the short-term. If they engage in transactions that represent that belief, are they committing fraud?
For the record, I think the financial sector is generally terrible and awful. The best thing about it is that smart people are going into computer engineering instead of economics now. (Admittedly they might get hired by Goldman Sachs either way.)
But I don't think "let's outlaw speculative bubbles" is all that actionable. If we knew how to do it it already would be illegal!
Basileus777
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Honestly Cruz collapsing like this is pretty bad, it makes me fear that he might actually drop out sooner than I would have previously thought.
Tarkus
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Worst news channel in Atlanta. Shit-tier
11 Alive represent.
User 463088
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Thank you we got 2 shots of morphine in me and my Bernie bro stopped in yaaaaass we both want the nurse and I rubbed his nose in Georgia. Yaaassssss
UltimaPooh
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That's risk. You are describing risk. What I am describing is fraud. It wasn't just speculation. Here is an article... and an exert. They purposely lied about what they were selling.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/02/banks-sued-subprime-mortgage-deals_n_947349.html
Yes... the bubble assisted in the disastrous outcome but it certainly wasn't people just taking on more risk they couldn't handle.
This is the USA... nothing is ever done right quickly.
The most delegate rich-districts in Illinois are majority black districts and majority minority districts, so she should sweep most of those if she holds those margins. My guess is that Bernie might only be able to scrape up 20-30 of these 102 district delegates.
Tammy Duckworth's district is tied for allocating the least number of delegates at 4.
Tammy Duckworth's district is tied for allocating the least number of delegates at 4.
Latest Hillary/Trump poll in VA- Clinton +17 - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/va/virginia_trump_vs_clinton-5542.html
It's not possible to outlaw them. You're supposed to use the fed to pump the brakes, which Greenspan refused to do.
shinra-bansho
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Black Mamba
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Last poll had Jeb! at 3% so I guess so?
Maybe Kasich got a bit of a NH bump as well and some of the Jeb! guys went elsewhere, I dunno. Too low to really matter.
It's also one poll. Cruz might be higher, might be lower. Who knows.
Let's hope Cruz gets 2nd in NV. Maybe mormons won't show up.
...That... won't hold... but... omg
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