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[Deleted member 231381]

Rubio has better framing than Romney now, but the Rubio-Sanders/Clinton framing on immigration is relatively worse than the Romney/Obama framing on immigration because Romney was closer to the centre on immigration than Rubio and Obama was less liberal on immigration than Sanders and to an extent actually Clinton as well, so I think Rubio's ability to frame would be shot down if he made it through the nomination.

 

[Black Mamba]

There's so many reasons that Goldwater doesn't serve as any sort of parallel for a 2016 election. The elasticity of states' voting trends is different, the country is not in the middle of a restructuring of party platforms, a popular democratic president hasn't recently been assassinated, Hillary is leading her own campaign rather than working on that one (kidding), etc etc. So many reasons 1964 doesn't apply to 2016.

I only used goldwater to counter the idea that if bernie beats Hillary that he would do better in a ge than her. That's not how it works.

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

I think Trump will bully Rubio around like he does Jeb. He's just biding his time.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

I only used goldwater to counter the idea that if bernie beats Hillary that he would do better in a ge than her. That's not how it works.

Asking out of genuine ignorance: is there evidence to suggest anyone other than Goldwater would have performed appreciably better than Goldwater did? JFK was assassinated during his reelection campaign. No matter who took the mantle for JFK, that person was going to win by a landslide.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Asking out of genuine ignorance: is there evidence to suggest anyone other than Goldwater would have performed appreciably better than Goldwater did? JFK was assassinated during his reelection campaign. No matter who took the mantle for JFK, that person was going to win by a landslide.

Goldwater actually performed better in matchups with Johnson than the other Republican candidates willing to go forward that cycle - although obviously for the reason you point out the party's talent wasn't really willing to be a sacrificial lamb and therefore stayed out of the whole affair so it's difficult to say.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Man, that Robert Reich skeptic response video makes me wonder what happened to the guy. He's followed politics his entire life and his argument is that Americans will love socialism because they like medicare and social security? Isn't there poll after poll that shows all these people that don't even think those are government programs?

Obamacare is still barely treading water in favorability polls. What the fuck is he smoking.

 

[Holmes]

I think it's a mistake to say Sanders is polling like a generic D nationally - he's polling like a generic I.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Interesting article on Palin's linguistic complexity:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/tak...english/?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/

 

[NeoXChaos]

Man, that Robert Reich skeptic response video makes me wonder what happened to the guy. He's followed politics his entire life and his argument is that Americans will love socialism because they like medicare and social security? Isn't there poll after poll that shows all these people that don't even think those are government programs?

Obamacare is still barely treading water in favorability polls. What the fuck is he smoking.

How did he end up in the Clinton White House? Seems like Clinton's Third Way would have driven him crazy.

 

[eBay Huckster]

How did he end up in the Clinton White House? Seems like Clinton's Third Way would have driven him crazy.

I could be misremembering on account of my age was single digits throughout his presidency, but wasn't Triangulation's Finest Hour not until Clinton's second term?

 

[Black Mamba]

Asking out of genuine ignorance: is there evidence to suggest anyone other than Goldwater would have performed appreciably better than Goldwater did? JFK was assassinated during his reelection campaign. No matter who took the mantle for JFK, that person was going to win by a landslide.

I'm pretty sure a more moderate candidate would have done better. I mean what's the evidence that being far from the median voter is preferable ever?

But that kind of evidence probably doesn't exist cuz who would pay for it?

Look. People support bernie views on inequality. But I don't think they share his views on the prescriptions. I think he's going to eventually be seen as radical. Because in American politics he is!

I really think people who think bernie would stand a chance against someone like Rubio is living in a fantasy world. This country is nowhere near where bernie is politically.

Bernie value is in bringing attention to specific issues. That's it. And that's a good thing and we need politicians like that but he's not president material. Shit, if Hillary were an up and Comer she sweep him into oblivion. The vote against her right now is a reaction to how established she is.

 

[ivysaur12]

I really don't think Trump is losing this one:

@Taniel
Ranges, in all 10 post-IA polls:

Trump: 29-36
Rubio: 12-19
Cruz: 7-15
Kasich: 8-17
Jeb: 8-10
Christie: 4-6

Sanders: 50-61
Clinton: 38-42

 

[Overlee]

Man, that Robert Reich skeptic response video makes me wonder what happened to the guy. He's followed politics his entire life and his argument is that Americans will love socialism because they like medicare and social security? Isn't there poll after poll that shows all these people that don't even think those are government programs?

Obamacare is still barely treading water in favorability polls. What the fuck is he smoking.

The guy is a professor, think about it. He's given his life to educating people on what they don't know. He doesn't care about polls, he want's society to know that government can be used to propel humanity forward. We could use a few more like him.

 

[Black Mamba]

I think it's a mistake to say Sanders is polling like a generic D nationally - he's polling like a generic I.

This is actually a smart clarification. He's generic I if no dems were around.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

I'm pretty sure a more moderate candidate would have done better. I mean what's the evidence that being far from the median voter is preferable ever?

But that kind of evidence probably doesn't exist cuz who would pay for it?

Look. People support bernie views on inequality. But I don't think they share his views on the prescriptions. I think he's going to eventually be seen as radical. Because in American politics he is!

I really think people who think bernie would stand a chance against someone like Rubio is living in a fantasy world. This country is nowhere near where bernie is politically.

Bernie value is in bringing attention to specific issues. That's it. And that's a good thing and we need politicians like that but he's not president material. Shit, if Hillary were an up and Comer she sweep him into oblivion. The vote against her right now is a reaction to how established she is.

I don't think it's any coincidence that his rise was around the same time as E-MAILS! drove down Clinton's favorability. Part of the job is being done for him by the GOP.

The guy is a professor, think about it. He's given his life to educating people on what they don't know. He doesn't care about polls, he want's society to know that government can be used to propel humanity forward. We could use a few more like him.

He doesn't care about polls but that's the first thing he brings up in that ridiculous video?

 

[Holmes]

This is actually a smart clarification. He's generic I if no dems were around.

He's trying to be a generic D to get more non-white support and that's why Clinton is hugging Obama tighter than ever before, but yeah, I'm standing by my generic I claim. And that's all I'll say because we've had the "will socialism/promises to raise taxes/trillions and trillions in spending/being some atheist-agnostic hybrid/your mom hurt his chances in the general election" argument to DEATH.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Hall 2014:

This article studies the interplay of U.S. primary and general elections. I examine how the nomination of an extremist changes general-election outcomes and legislative behavior in the U.S. House, 1980–2010, using a regression discontinuity design in primary elections. When an extremist—as measured by primary-election campaign receipt patterns—wins a “coin-flip” election over a more moderate candidate, the party’s general-election vote share decreases by approximately 9–13 percentage points, and the probability that the party wins the seat decreases by 35–54 percentage points. This electoral penalty is so large that nominating the more extreme primary candidate causes the district’s subsequent roll-call representation to reverse, becoming more liberal when an extreme Republican is nominated and more conservative when an extreme Democrat is nominated. Overall, the findings show how general-election voters act as a moderating filter in response to primary nominations.

 

[campfireweekend]

The guy is a professor, think about it. He's given his life to educating people on what they don't know. He doesn't care about polls, he want's society to know that government can be used to propel humanity forward. We could use a few more like him.

He's a bit cringey sometimes in class in his ability to be reductive and demagogue, but overall he's pretty inspiring.

Probably the only professor I've had where there's never a lull in interest during lecture.

 

[ugaboga232]

He's a bit cringey sometimes in class in his ability to be reductive and demagogue, but overall he's pretty inspiring.

Probably the only professor I've had where there's never a lull in interest during lecture.

You need to take some more advanced organic chemistry and neuroscience classes! Never a dull moment when you are furiously copying mechanisms that exist in one russian paper that can't be googled.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Look. People support bernie views on inequality. But I don't think they share his views on the prescriptions. I think he's going to eventually be seen as radical. Because in American politics he is!

I really think people who think bernie would stand a chance against someone like Rubio is living in a fantasy world. This country is nowhere near where bernie is politically

Actually, I think he's eventually going to be seen as a glimpse into the direction of the party, which would ultimately make him a run-of-the-mill dem in 15 years, not a radical. The question is if he could move away from the out-at-leftist-sea-all-by-himself position he finds himself in today by November. Ted Cruz and co. don't seem to garner the same kind of "radical" claims Sanders does within their party, and I think it's because the party rapidly moved with Ted Cruz into that territory. Sanders' challenge would be in getting the party to shift with him because, as it stands, a good number of dems could probably establish themselves as belonging to a totally different party than Bernie does.

For what it's worth, I'm not in denial about the difficulty involved in a Sanders GE. It would be tough. However, I'm personally of the opinion that either candidate would ultimately best what the GOP puts up, especially if that happens to be Donald Trump which, by almost every indicator, is what will happen.

 

[campfireweekend]

You need to take some more advanced organic chemistry and neuroscience classes! Never a dull moment when you are furiously copying mechanisms that exist in one russian paper that can't be googled.

Yeah I'm just gonna ignore that shit and learn it from the textbook the night before the test.

Never fails.

The A-s hurt so much.

 

[ugaboga232]

Yeah I'm just gonna ignore that shit and learn it from the textbook the night before the test.

Never fails.

The A-s hurt so much.

That works really well (like right now I need to learn how to read an ekg and all the heart medications which there are nice textbooks for) but what happens when there are no textbooks and you are learning from papers (old ones that aren't available)? D's happen then >_<

 

[campfireweekend]

That works really well (like right now I need to learn how to read an ekg and all the heart medications which there are nice textbooks for) but what happens when there are no textbooks and you are learning from papers (old ones that aren't available)? D's happen then >_<

Man I've never even got a B+. A D would fucking destroy me.

 

[Holmes]

There are fellow chemists in PoliGAF?

 

[dramatis]

I really don't think Trump is losing this one:

Goddamnit Jeb why can't you place second

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

Goddamnit Jeb why can't you place second

Have faith in him brah. His newest ad is incredible, probably the most important and powerful since LBJ's "Daisy."

 

[CCS]

I see the Applied Applied Mathematicians have shown up.

 

[Makai]

A D would fucking destroy me.

sex joke

 

[ugaboga232]

Man I've never even got a B+. A D would fucking destroy me.

Oh this was on a test, pulled off the A- after a lot of work (how else would i be in med school, admissions these days are absurd and two iranian parents would never let me live it down)

There are fellow chemists in PoliGAF?

I only dabbled, orgo was/is my favorite academic subject but I don't like the research as much and I wanted to go into medicine. I took the lab and a grad level biochem and orgo course but that was it. Learned from the guy who coined the term anti-aromaticity. He was a bit, outdated in his speech but a great chemist.

 

[Y2Kev]

Pleaseeee Jeb I am praying for you*

*not

 

[Makai]

Pleaseeee Jeb I am praying for you*

*not

 

[Holmes]

Oh this was on a test, pulled off the A- after a lot of work (how else would i be in med school, admissions these days are absurd and two iranian parents would never let me live it down)



I only dabbled, orgo was/is my favorite academic subject but I don't like the research as much and I wanted to go into medicine. I took the lab and a grad level biochem and orgo course but that was it. Learned from the guy who coined the term anti-aromaticity. He was a bit, outdated in his speech but a great chemist.

Wow, that sounds awesome, but I admit that organic was my absolute worst chemistry field in school. I did everything to avoid it.... which meant having to make up for it with classes in physical chemistry. Quantum mechanics and shit. It was probably not the best choice I made but I survived. I also studied biological chemistry and took biochemistry, molecular biology and genetics courses, and organic chemistry would have been the perfect supplement to that but I was a stupid 20 year old and I didn't want anything to do with NMR spectroscopy.

 

[Suikoguy]

Maybe the "If Bernie doesn't win, I'm voting for Trump!" people are all just single issue voters when it comes to getting an atheist in office.

You might be on to something. That is the only thing I can find in common between Him and Sanders that Hillary does not have in common with Bernie.

 

[ugaboga232]

Wow, that sounds awesome, but I admit that organic was my absolute worst chemistry field in school. I did everything to avoid it.... which meant having to make up for it with classes in physical chemistry. Quantum mechanics and shit. It was probably not the best choice I made but I survived. I also studied biological chemistry and took biochemistry, molecular biology and genetics courses, and organic chemistry would have been the perfect supplement to that but I was a stupid 20 year old and I didn't want anything to do with NMR spectroscopy.

You switched out orgo for pchem? Who are you???? I was a biochem major/nerd (still am but neuro has my heart and future).

(pchem was the worst). Ben Carson probably thinks its the work of the deceiver.

 

[Overlee]

You might be on to something. That is the only thing I can find in common between Him and Sanders that Hillary does not have in common with Bernie.

Or you know like the corrupting influence of money in politics. I dunno.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Or you know like the corrupting influence of money in politics. I dunno.

Trump IS money in politics.

 

[User 406]

I know Kasich is a piece of shit but goddamn

And then God will be all like why did you make it harder for the poor to eat and then make sure even those reduced benefits didn't go to black folk and Kasich's little butthole mouth will pucker and She'll dropkick his punk ass down to the fires where his buddy Strom Thurmond is.

 

[Overlee]

Trump IS money in politics.

GAF talks about Trump enough to know that he's not afraid to tell you it's HIS money this time.

 

[campfireweekend]

Or you know like the corrupting influence of money in politics. I dunno.

Clearly.

Didn't Trump say the kind of justice he'd nominate would be like Scalia? How's that gonna get money out of politics?

Trump is literally the manifestation of the corrupting influence of money in politics.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

GAF talks about Trump enough to know that he's not afraid to tell you it's HIS money this time.

????????????????

Trump wants to massively cut taxes for the rich and basically agrees with everything that rich donors want except Trump is more xenophobic.

 

[Holmes]

You switched out orgo for pchem? Who are you???? I was a biochem major/nerd (still am but neuro has my heart and future).

(pchem was the worst). Ben Carson probably thinks its the work of the deceiver.

I said I was dumb. Honestly I had the worst orgo professor and lab TA in my intro course that it killed it for me. They both intimidated me so I felt like I couldn't approach them, and my TA in particular made me feel really stupid in the lab. On the other hand, my profs and TAs for my physical chem courses were really among the best that I had during my undergrad, and although the courses were often a punch in the gut, they made it enjoyable and I really loved learning everything.

 

[ivysaur12]

I feel like if Trump wins NH, it's an entirely new ball game. The Don is back.

We just gotta believe, all.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I'm pretty sure that Carly Fiorina is an atheist too. She should announce that just to get attention from the Republicans that aren't religious and are just in it for the tax breaks. She could carve out a bit of a niche for herself.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Nate Silver &#8207;@NateSilver538 2h2 hours ago
Clinton answers constantly invoke the past 50 years of American history. Sanders, despite being older, is all about the here and now.

Nate Silver &#8207;@NateSilver538 2h2 hours ago
Some of Bernie's success among 18-29s also because they've seen lots of progress under Obama. Makes Clinton's "change is hard" a tough sell.

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[ugaboga232]

I said I was dumb. Honestly I had the worst orgo professor and lab TA in my intro course that it killed it for me. They both intimidated me so I felt like I couldn't approach them, and my TA in particular made me feel really stupid in the lab. On the other hand, my profs and TAs for my physical chem courses were really among the best that I had during my undergrad, and although the courses were often a punch in the gut, they made it enjoyable and I really loved learning everything.

Its sad how those factors can make or break careers for people. part of the problem is we push researchers to also be teachers and administrators and its a lot of different specialized skills that not everyone has together.

 

[User 406]

GAF talks about Trump enough to know that he's not afraid to tell you it's HIS money this time.

Yep. Trump is sticking to his principles when he cuts taxes that help the rich and screw over the poor. He's not some sleazy politician that accepts money to cut taxes that help the rich and screw over the poor.


Alternate joke: Trump is engaging in identity politics!

 

[Overlee]

You Clinton supporters should know that what a politician says to win votes and what they actually do is often quite different.

 

[User 406]

You Clinton supporters should know that what a politician says to win votes and what they actually do is often quite different.

Not really.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

You Clinton supporters should know that what a politician says to win votes and what they actually do is often quite different.

The Republicans Trump is trying to get hate the rich and hate tax breaks for the rich so Trump's tax proposal is actually hurting him and is probably legit therefore.

 

[B-Dubs]

You Clinton supporters should know that what a politician says to win votes and what they actually do is often quite different.

There's like half a dozen studies that say this isn't true.