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Makai

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Diablos said:
Perhaps. But Rubio looks like more of a winner that McCain or Romney even to a foolish donor.
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Roland_Gunner

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Phillip Klein's twitter said:
I love all these DC types tweeting that debate won't matter when all the NH voters I'm speaking to at Rubio event have mentioned debate.
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Voters abandoning Rubio confirmed. Okay, not really, but I do think this is going to hurt him Tuesday which becomes a media talking point all week.
 
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Holmes

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Teggy said:
I think Hillary definitely needs to keep Sanders below 60 so it doesn't look like a slaughter.
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Yup. And if she can keep it within 15% then it's a good night for her. With superdelegates, she ends up with the most delegates from New Hampshire.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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We've talked a lot about how the fact that an 108 year old, atheist Jew with a questionably competent campaign, little minority support, no foreign policy knowledge, and no party support being fairly competitive says positive things about the future of Socialism in the Democratic party. However, shouldn't the fact that Ted Cruz is a snakeperson who literally can't connect to a single human being that exists and is the most despised figure in recent politics doing so well signal that the GOP could get even more extreme moving forward also? Ted Cruz is the least likable candidate to ever run for president and he still might win the nomination despite being a terrible speaker and ugly as fuck too. What about when someone with Cruz's ideas actually comes around with some ability to connect to people emotionally?
 
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HylianTom

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Holmes said:
NH - Franklin Pierce/Boston Herald

Trump 31 (-7)
Cruz 16 (+3)
Rubio 15 (+5)
Kasich 11 (+3)
Bush 10 (-)

https://twitter.com/ChrisVillani44/status/696289073028325376

Sanders 51 (-6)
Clinton 44 (+7)

https://twitter.com/ChrisVillani44/status/696288352279068672
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Looks like she's narrowing the gap in a few polls, but it isn't being as widely reported.as those 25-30% gaps were earlier in the week. For people not paying attention, this could seem like a surprise on Tuesday night. She's looking more and more likely to beat the expectations game.
 
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ugaboga232

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Y2Kev said:
Hillarymentum is unstoppable.
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Oh well, dream is dead a bit sooner than I thought it would end. Hopefully the hillary we get is the one that this thread has given me the impression of. Could be independent's rushing to republican side for some reason as well.
 
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Holmes

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HylianTom said:
Looks like she's narrowing the gap in a few polls, but it isn't being as widely reported.as those 25-30% gaps were earlier in the week. For people not paying attention, this could seem like a surprise on Tuesday night. She's looking more and more likely to beat the expectations game.
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The polls with Sanders ahead by 20% are much better for the narrative the media wants to push.
 
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Frank the Great

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Just saw the Rubio/Christie video. Fucking brutal.

Hopefully this doesn't give Christie any momentum. He is the candidate who worries me the most after Kasich.
 
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RustyNails

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Diablos said:
And he has the charisma of a wet fart. Big part of the reason why he sucked as a candidate.
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With Mittens you sort of knew what you were going to get. He has that used car salesman wheeling and dealing look. Typical gypsy moth country club reliable republican in bed with big business and isn't a bible crusader. Obama drew stark contrast with his repeat of 2008 campaigning and people naturally flocked to their president.

Of course it didn't help that Romney shot himself mulitple times.
 
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Holmes

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RustyNails said:
Of course it didn't help that Romney shot himself mulitple times.
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This is exactly why Mittens should be supporting Hillary Clinton for president, to get the gun reforms this country needs so that he can finally stop shooting himself in the foot! It's a bit too late for him though, tbf.
 
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Frank the Great

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SomewhatGroovy said:
And why isnt Rubio the most concerning to you? Dude looks like the kid who slipped into dad's suit and who then cries when Uncle Bob rattles him.

Dude has zero chance with working with the likes of Putin or Rouhani.
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I meant I was concerned in terms of which candidate poses a threat to Queen Hilldawg da Gawd. Rubio would get eaten alive by her, so I wouldn't mind if becomes the nominee. Kasich and Christie would both put up a decent fight and could win under the right conditions.

In terms of which Republican I am least worried about in terms of actually being President, that's Trump for sure. The others would all be equally as terrible; I can't identify any differences. They all buy into the same Republican group-think on domestic policy, would appoint the same Justices, and would listen to and dutifully follow the same neoconservative advisors on foreign policy.
 
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HylianTom said:
Looks like she's narrowing the gap in a few polls, but it isn't being as widely reported.as those 25-30% gaps were earlier in the week. For people not paying attention, this could seem like a surprise on Tuesday night. She's looking more and more likely to beat the expectations game.
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Facebook feed is filled with "HILLARY HAS ALL BUT COLLAPSED IN THE POLLS"
 
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
New Hampshire intrigues me.

I think Trump wins, but who gets second place? Does Cruz jump Rubio (my prediction)? Does Kasich beat Rubio? Does Christie surprise everyone? I mean--2nd through 6th is up in the air.
 
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Teggy

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That Rubio thing is so weird. It's like he's thinking, "hey, I said this line 60 seconds ago and they clapped, I'll just say it again and they'll clap again!" Except they didn't.
 
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Frank the Great

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Teggy said:
That Rubio thing is so weird. It's like he's thinking, "hey, I said this line 60 seconds ago and they clapped, I'll just say it again and they'll clap again!" Except they didn't.
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I don't think he was thinking at all. Nor was he really listening to what Christie was saying. He was not having a conversation, he was just churning out memorized lines because he's not quick enough to think on his feet.

I see it all the time with new lawyers who attempt an oral argument. They often stick to whatever notes they have rather than actually engaging the judge and addressing his or her concerns. A skilled oral advocate listens, engages and adapts . . . Rubio simply doesn't have that skill. Christie is awesome at it from his years as a prosecutor.

Rubio is essentially a talking point machine. It's a miracle he's gotten this far frankly.

Also, Christie did a low blow when he blamed Rubio's mishap on "Washington politics" or whatever he said. It is a very common mistake for public speakers and had nothing to do with Washington or being a senator.
 
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PantherLotus said:
honest LOL at 'I've taken two courses in Labor Economics!' while trying to defend tax cuts as a way to spur hiring while also demanding CITATIONS when we have literally 100 years of evidence.

good on you, young republican. you'll make your party proud.
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Yep, thats me. A young Republican, getting a fucking Berkeley education in economics. You obviously read nothing I wrote.

I liked both your rebuttal and citations btw. Very convincing.

Edit: this obviously isn't worth it. I thought I was really rigorous in showing something that's pretty obvious. You can just stew in the ignorance next time.
 
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ugaboga232

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campfireweekend said:
Yep, thats me. A young Republican, getting a fucking Berkeley education in economics. You obviously read nothing I wrote.

I liked both your rebuttal and citations btw. Very convincing.
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Welcome to youth nowadays, people won't trust you till you have your phd sadly. I think a point of confusion is payroll vs income taxes, payroll has a much more direct effect on marginal value/costs of additional labor while income taxes are a bit more roundabout (if you reduce income taxes on what workers pay, then you could maybe lower their salary for the same effective salary and get away with that but I feel like most workers wouldnt like that or if you reduce taxes on the actual employer, that shouldn't really change anything right because it hasn't changed the marginal value of the worker?). We usually argue about how lowering income taxes doesn't really increase wages/employment and not payroll.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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It's just sad that Rubio has constantly said "I am a horrible person who will commit war crimes, annul all gay marriages, terrorize Muslim Americans, and start a civil war in Iraq," and what got the media to turn against him was the fact that he's a terrible public speaker.

Rubio's malfunction got 1000x the attention of Trump's "I bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding" and Cruz "joking" about murdering school children and Rubio saying that discrimination against Muslim Americans doesn't exist. I hope Rubio isn't gay because he be an absolute disgrace to the LGBT community.
 
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campfireweekend

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ugaboga232 said:
Welcome to youth nowadays, people won't trust you till you have your phd sadly. I think a point of confusion is payroll vs income taxes, payroll has a much more direct effect on marginal value/costs of additional labor while income taxes are a bit more roundabout (if you reduce income taxes on what workers pay, then you could maybe lower their salary for the same effective salary and get away with that but I feel like most workers wouldnt like that or if you reduce taxes on the actual employer, that shouldn't really change anything right because it hasn't changed the marginal value of the worker?). We usually argue about how lowering income taxes doesn't really increase wages/employment and not payroll.
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Thats all well and good, but I literally never mentioned income taxes. So a knee jerk response like that is super sad.

Especially when no one that responded to me cited anything they said! I thought there was a higher level of rigor in PoliGAF.
 
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FiggyCal

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campfireweekend said:
Yep, thats me. A young Republican, getting a fucking Berkeley education in economics. You obviously read nothing I wrote.

I liked both your rebuttal and citations btw. Very convincing.

Edit: this obviously isn't worth it. I thought I was really rigorous in showing something that's pretty obvious. You can just stew in the ignorance next time.
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This isn't really a response to what you wrote. But that people are paid the marginal product of labor is basically Introduction to micro-economics that people learn in freshman year. And I specifically remember my professor saying it's all bullshit, but that he has to teach it. He's a Sraffian and I'm taking him right now for my History of economic thought class. I really should ask him to explain why he thinks it's wrong. He's an interesting guy.
 
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RustyNails

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Once Impervious, Marco Rubio Is Diminished by a Caustic Chris Christie
On Saturday night, Gov. Chris Christie seemed to rob Mr. Rubio of those armaments and turn them against him.

In the process, Mr. Christie accomplished something that the rest of the Republican field has repeatedly tried but failed to do so far: diminish and even embarrass Mr. Rubio, whose rapid rise in the polls, broad appeal and seeming imperviousness to attack have made impeding him his rivals’ most urgent mission.

Mr. Christie, who as a presidential candidate has frequently suppressed his most pugilistic instincts, cast off any restraint and did what he does best: slice and slash.

He derisively called Mr. Rubio nothing more than a programmed deliverer of polished-sounding lines.

Seconds later, Mr. Rubio seemed to prove Mr. Christie right.
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ugaboga232

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campfireweekend said:
Thats all well and good, but I literally never mentioned income taxes. So a knee jerk response like that is super sad.

Especially when no one that responded to me cited anything they said! I thought there was a higher level of rigor in PoliGAF.
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You thought wrong it seems sadly.

Looks like Hillary is gonna close the gap in NH barring polling quirks or something so things get really hard from here for Bernie.
 
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