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PoliGAF 2016 |OT12| The last days of the Republic

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shiba5

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This mofo

Donald Trump once told 14-year-old girls, 'In a couple of years, I'll be dating you'

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Fuuuuuuck, I thought this was that other "old" story. He thinks the greatest compliment he can give someone is telling them he'd like to fuck them.
 
Ok, lets say the Republican Party splits. which group leaves the party to start a new one? The moderates/establishment create a new party while the far right takes over the Republican party or the far right forms a new party? I figure the centrist party will be the one that lasts, but the interesting thing is, eventually, the far right and moderate right have to form one party again, so what happens there? Moderates hope they can control them this time?

I could see the liberatrian party siphoning the pro business, socially meh people.
 

Boke1879

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Yea he's a legit predator. When you're looking at a 10 or 14 year old and the first thing in your mind is how you're going to date them. Something is wrong.
 
Again, what gets to people is what's on Nightly News.

NBC Nightly News spent 9 minutes dragging the fuck out of Trump. Literally dragging him to hell. They posted the video again. They had the taped video of his accusers. They called him "unhinged." They said he ranted today. They posted the poll numbers. Then they showed large chunks of Michelle's speech. It was 9 minutes of pure hell.

AND I LIVE MAMA
 

Bowdz

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So I turn on Fox News and they are covering the Judicial Watch written questions that Clinton just returned. Fox News alert that Clinton said she didn't know exactly who scrubbed her server and who deleted her emails.
 
Again, what gets to people is what's on Nightly News.

NBC Nightly News spent 9 minutes dragging the fuck out of Trump. Literally dragging him to hell. They posted the video again. They had the taped video of his accusers. They called him "unhinged." They said he ranted today. They posted the poll numbers. Then they showed large chunks of Michelle's speech. It was 9 minutes of pure hell.

AND I LIVE MAMA

Yep. Nobody watches pundits all day, but they do watch The Today Show before work and the Nightly News when that get home.
 

kevin1025

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I'm loving Gloria Borger on CNN not holding back on Trump, showing her disdain for him and saying he's a bully and predatory. It's refreshing when CNN has been trying to keep unbiased... though lately everyone is finally showing that Trump is not a cool choice.
 

Grief.exe

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I hope Michelle isn't completely turned off by politics and takes the Hillary route into the Senate. Could be a serious asset and surrogate for the Democratic party going forward.
 
On one hand, McMuffin winning Utah stops Trump's president dreams immediately.

On the other hand, I really don't want to hear from any of the 3rd-party candidates ever after this election.
Third party candidates can win regionally, like Wallace, Thurmond, or La Follette. McMullin is definitely a regional candidate in the same way.
 

Iolo

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In my defense:

1. A lot of news is moving fast and this is extremely similar to something that's already happened.

2. How many men make comments in public about two wildly underage girls saying he's going to date them one day?

In the same month and year, at that. It wasn't at the same event, was it?
 
In my defense:

1. A lot of news is moving fast and this is extremely similar to something that's already happened.

2. How many men make comments in public about two wildly underage girls saying he's going to date them one day?

Yeah the 10 year old comment is on video, the 14-year comment is described in a column of the Chicago Tribune in 1992.

Video is far more damning.
 

Boke1879

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I'm loving Gloria Borger on CNN not holding back on Trump, showing her disdain for him and saying he's a bully and predatory. It's refreshing when CNN has been trying to keep unbiased... though lately everyone is finally showing that Trump is not a cool choice.

No way you can willfully try and be "biased" after all of this. At some point your humanity has to take over. And she's right. He's been doing this shit for decades and his surrogates want to act like he just changed in the last 5 years. Please.

Not t mention the shit he pulled today. This man is a legit threat and the shit he's saying I fear will have long term implications.
 

Chase17

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As a Democrat in New Hampshire's 1st Congressional District this is going to be me until election day:

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I have competitive Senate, Congress, and Governor races. At least HRC is a lock here and the other state positions are lost causes already.

This weekend I will start going door-to-door, rallying Democrats to vote in November. Wish me the best!

As a fellow Democrat from New Hampshire's 1st district I wish you the best of luck. Election day is going to be stressful!

Still waiting for my absentee ballot to arrive.
 
Here's a conversation I want to have. I'm not sure what the question I am asking is. Maybe somebody can help me parse the concern into a meaningful point.

Donald is being accused left and right by women he has allegedly assaulted. The examples that we have are quite old - over a decade in some cases. Donald responds to these accusations by calling the women liars.

But Donald and his team are also accusing Bill Clinton of sexually assaulting women. The examples that we have are quite old, decades in some cases. If Bill Clinton is innocent, which we cannot prove without a doubt, then these women are lying.

This is a difficult situation because there is no way HRC and the Democrats can address the accusations without implying the same excuse Donald is making: that the accusations are simply false.

How do we reconcile that? How do we refute Bill Clinton's accusations without validating Donald's own denial? Because all we mostly have are the testimonies of the victims.
 

Cerium

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Here's a conversation I want to have. I'm not sure what the question I am asking is. Maybe somebody can help me parse the concern into a meaningful point.

Donald is being accused left and right by women he has allegedly assaulted. The examples that we have are quite old - over a decade in some cases. Donald responds to these accusations by calling the women liars.

But Donald and his team are also accusing Bill Clinton of sexually assaulting women. The examples that we have are quite old, decades in some cases. If Bill Clinton is innocent, which we cannot prove without a doubt, then these women are lying.

This is a difficult situation because there is no way HRC and the Democrats can address the accusations without implying the same excuse Donald is making: that the accusations are simply false.

How do we reconcile that? How do we refute Bill Clinton's accusations without validating Donald's own denial? Because all we mostly have are the testimonies of the victims.
We don't, we let the media do it, which is exactly what's happening.
 

mackaveli

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The one thing I am confused and my friend asks me. Is why did Hillary delete the 33,000 personal emails when there was a subpoena?

How do I answer that?

Thanks.
 
The one thing I am confused and my friend asks me. Is why did Hillary delete the 33,000 personal emails when there was a subpoena?

How do I answer that?

Thanks.

The emails were deleted before the subpoena iirc, possibly through orderly deletion schedules

Republicans think she had something to hide
 
Here's a conversation I want to have. I'm not sure what the question I am asking is. Maybe somebody can help me parse the concern into a meaningful point.

Donald is being accused left and right by women he has allegedly assaulted. The examples that we have are quite old - over a decade in some cases. Donald responds to these accusations by calling the women liars.

But Donald and his team are also accusing Bill Clinton of sexually assaulting women. The examples that we have are quite old, decades in some cases. If Bill Clinton is innocent, which we cannot prove without a doubt, then these women are lying.

This is a difficult situation because there is no way HRC and the Democrats can address the accusations without implying the same excuse Donald is making: that the accusations are simply false.

How do we reconcile that? How do we refute Bill Clinton's accusations without validating Donald's own denial? Because all we mostly have are the testimonies of the victims.

Donald certainly isn't help his denials of sexually assaulting women when he admits (even brags), on tape, to getting away with sexually assaulting women due to his wealth and fame.
 

rjinaz

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For those interested in the Wall Street journal and have Verizon, Verizon smart rewards has had a subscription for free minus like 9600 points for a while now. Was still up last I checked. I went ahead and got it myself.

Edit: Nevermind, it's not free anymore. Besides that you'd have to wait for mail delivery and by then the election would likely be over. Still glad I went for it though.
 

Nafai1123

Banned
The one thing I am confused and my friend asks me. Is why did Hillary delete the 33,000 personal emails when there was a subpoena?

How do I answer that?

Thanks.

The request to delete the emails came months before the subpoena. The IT person in charge of the email server realized that he had not deleted the emails, so he did so when he realized his mistake.

Sketchy? Sure. Any evidence whatsoever that Hillary was involved in deleting them? No.
 

Loxley

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I'm curious if Trump's remaining ultra-loyal advisers (or even GOP leadership) have just straight-up asked him at this point, "Dude, is there anything heinous you've done in the past that hasn't come to light yet? If so, you need to tell us now so in the event that it does, we can be prepared for it."
 
The one thing I am confused and my friend asks me. Is why did Hillary delete the 33,000 personal emails when there was a subpoena?

How do I answer that?

Thanks.
My understanding is that she didn't delete them herself. She hired an IT guy to manage the servers and among told him not to delete anything for any reason without her permission. But for whatever reason, he panicked and went behind her back and deleted them anyway without telling her at all so she didn't find out until it was too late. Hillary herself is completely not responsible for that in any way as she had no way of knowing the guy would do something like that.
 

jonjonaug

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The one thing I am confused and my friend asks me. Is why did Hillary delete the 33,000 personal emails when there was a subpoena?

How do I answer that?

Thanks.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-says-hillary-clinton-deleted-33000-em/

Not retaining old e-mails isn't an unusual IT practice. What happened was when the subpoena hit an IT guy that was in charge of this process realized he forgot to do it, so he nuked the server to try and avoid getting found out.
 
As a Democrat in New Hampshire's 1st Congressional District this is going to be me until election day:

<sylvestercoffee.gif>

I have competitive Senate, Congress, and Governor races. At least HRC is a lock here and the other state positions are lost causes already.

This weekend I will start going door-to-door, rallying Democrats to vote in November. Wish me the best!

As a fellow Democrat from New Hampshire's 1st district I wish you the best of luck. Election day is going to be stressful!

Still waiting for my absentee ballot to arrive.
1st district? Pshaw. Get over to the superior 2nd district where our House seat isn't a ping-pong ball!
:p

Edit: speaking of NH, I remembered what I was going to say about the Senate race yesterday: I'm pretty disappointed in Hassan as a candidate so far. Just yesterday the 2 headlines about her in the Concord Monitor were about her calling on Hillary to release her speech transcripts, and about her opposing the closure of Guantanamo Bay. Like, she's supposed to be a Democrat, right? What's she doing here? Remember that also all 3 Democratic candidates for governor opposed her Syrian refugee freeze, and her gambling proposal failed pretty badly in the legislature. Also it seems like she only ever attacks Ayotte about Planned Parenthood, while leaving out other problematic things Ayotte has done, like voting against popular gun control legislation.
 

JP_

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The emails were deleted before the subpoena iirc, possibly through orderly deletion schedules

Republicans think she had something to hide
The IT person was told to delete them before subpoena but he forgot. After subpoena he remembered and deleted them. It wasn't right, but FBI found no evidence Clinton instructed deletion after subpoena.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
I'm curious if Trump's remaining ultra-loyal advisers (or even GOP leadership) have just straight-up asked him at this point, "Dude, is there anything heinous you've done in the past that hasn't come to light yet? If so, you need to tell us now so in the event that it does, we can be prepared for it."

You think anyone left has those kind of balls?

We're just inching closer and closer to a "Donald groomed Ivanka" bomb. Fucking hell.

Please no...
 

Cyanity

Banned
So I've successfully convinced my conservative parents that Trump is an awful human being and should not be POTUS. -2 for Trump in Massachusetts.
 
Looking at the Fox poll internals cuz they give so many and questions.

Among likely voters, Hillary's favorables are 45-52. Trump 38-61. LOL

Obama at 56-41 Approval!

Trump is now more untrustworthy (33% compared to Hillary's 32%)

Trump has the right temperament to be Pres? 35%. Hillary? 65%. LMAO

Qualified to be pres? 68% H, 42% T

Hillary gets better marks for handling foreign policy, terrorism (+11), economy, health care, and immigration. And the only topic that's close is"economy"

65% believe Hillary will win, half of those "by a lot." Only 23% see Trump winning.

Hillary won the 2nd debate among debate watchers 52-39, 48-34 among all.

Is Trump a good role model for children? 20% yes, 77% NO. HOLY SHIT LMAO.

44% believe Trump doesn't respect women at all another 16% not much. Yikes.

55% of people believe the wikileaks Wall Street transcripts aren't a deal breaker. Not even 30% do, so this means nothing to any non-hardcore GOPer.

Trump is getting 11% of the non-white vote. LMAO.

Hillary +10 among White women with degrees. Tied overall among white w/degrees.

Hillary is winning every age group, but has more to gain among millenials.

Also, a bunch of white men with college degree are voting Gary Johnson who without 3rd party would vote Hillary. Same with millenials.


Independents are carrying the Dem House ballot for Dems (+5)

Women would keep the ACA (+3). Among ages, 35-55 would repeal, 55+, 65+ wouldn't!

hillary much more favorable among Dems than Trump among Rs.

Obama +11 among indies. +26 among women. +5 among white women. -15 among white men. Basically, if you're a white, evangelical man without a college degree, you hate Obama with a passion. Everyone else approves!

Millenials(!) distrust Hillary more than any other age group but a lot. Basically at the same rate as conservatives. Wow. Fuck you my generation! Also, same rate as Trump...wtf.

31% of Republicans don't think Trump has temperament to be Pres. lol. 19% not qualified.

Half of Republicans think Trump is going to win the election. Half don't.

90% of Dems think Hillary will win, over half by a blowout.

In fact, other than Republicans, the only other group that seems torn on whether Trump will win is evangelicals. Everyone else knows Trump is toast.

55% of Republicans don't think Trump is a good role model!!! 2/3 of white evangelicals don't think so, either!

15% of GOPers think the audio/video tape of Trump is a dealbreaker. ouch.
 
Deborah sounds great, but I hate that non-presidential candidates look right into the camera when they debate. It's really annoying. They did it in the NC Governor debate as well.

Good opening, Deb.
 
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