It says part of the public are bloodthirsty shitheads easily coerced by fear. Would you like to make an argument in favor of that, or let your ridiculous defense of torture for political reasons end while you're still standing.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT3| You know what they say about big Michigans - big Florida
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Again with the "us" and the "we". That only works if I was part of that group. Yes, some of my fellow Americans let me down in the wake of 9/11, that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to criticize both them and the acting President or that I should be lumped in there with them.
Am I going to be criticized for being racist and xenophobic if Trump wins the GE even when I vote for the Dems? Surely you can see the fallacy you're arguing by now.
What's your reason for doubting it?
Yeah, this is kind of where I am. Obviously the race didn't actually move 20 points in a night. People's fear of being wrong moved pretty hard though.
neurosisxeno
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You referring to SC where it went from 55->61% while simultaneously ignoring the fact that there were over 100k less votes this time around?
EDIT: Using exit poll data for both (since I was curious) that means about 292,000 (that's actually low balling it since I rounded up but ignored all candidates except the top 3) of the 2008 SC Democratic Primary versus about 224,000 of the 2016 SC Democratic Primary. 70k less but yea turnout was the same right?
Ah, so that's why Sanders is up in IL but not Ohio.
VendettaRed07
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Ted Kennedy should have ran in 1976. He would have won and would have been significantly harder to unseat
Carter was an outsider so every little thing that went wrong under him, he got the blame for. Most of the nonsense that hurt him Ted would have brushed off like it was nothing
Carter was an outsider so every little thing that went wrong under him, he got the blame for. Most of the nonsense that hurt him Ted would have brushed off like it was nothing
Maybe. But state primaries for Congress and the state legislature are on the same day, so it's not like the Presidential primary is the only thing on the ballot.
theprodigy
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turnout's down everywhere across the board, the fact that black turnout isn't dropping as much as other turnout is enough to increase its share, which is all that matters here
and South Carolina isn't the only state where that happened
The South Carolina primary is open. Many of the white Dixiecrats that voted in the 2008 primary
The eternal cycle. After the election in November they will understand, for about 2 years until dems dont show up in 2018, then they will make the same bad predictions for 2020.
They aren't necessarily clueless, they just have the memory of a goldfish. They predict based on the previous voting session with no respect for the fact that the turnouts and numbers sway wildly between the two types.
Basileus777
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Kennedy would have lost as he wouldn't have carried the South like Carter. And Chappaquiddick was still a thing. But a 2nd term for Ford would have given the Democrats a much better chance in 1980.
They'll use the same reason for not turning out in 2018 for why they didn't turn out in 2010 or 2014. "Hillary wasn't progressive enough!"
Carter presided over the end of the Democratic coalition. He never really had a chance.
The best way to understand Carter is to imagine him as the Democratic Marco Rubio, only I don't think the Democratic Donald Trump ever really showed up. That's a GOP special.
Bam Bam Baklava
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That's the argument I was making the entire time. That Bush didn't just make it all appear out of thin air. He was appeasing an inherent desire that was already there in what is clearly a very large portion of the public. The two go hand in hand and it's critical to recognize both to keep it from happening again.
That was my point the entire time, it a two-way street. That if we just ignore that entire aspect of criticism and focus solely on Bush, then we're doomed to repeat history.
VendettaRed07
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Possibly but I think the dynamic of the race would have been entirely different with Kennedy in. Carter likely wouldn't have gotten to become the focal point early on like he did. And he did still lose SC, Alabama and Mississippi. I think Ted would have completely shut down the north and been able to swing some of the states Carter won
Edit: nvm I thought you meant the primary and not the general election
Strom Thurmond?
BoboBrazil
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Sounds like people that don't understand the importance of the supreme Court.
VendettaRed07
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People like to feel superior by putting themselves above the political system because they think it makes them cool. So they use whatever roundabout mental gymnastics nonsense they can to justify not voting
Hmm. Not sure if this is legit.. but it was retweeted by reporter Michelle Olsen (who usually is featured in the Washington Post).
Twitter link:
https://twitter.com/SCOTUSPlaces/status/709243768520761344
If so, looks like Obama really is going with Sri.
Twitter link:
https://twitter.com/SCOTUSPlaces/status/709243768520761344
If so, looks like Obama really is going with Sri.
Basileus777
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Hmm. Not sure if this is legit.. but it was retweeted by reporter Michelle Olsen (who usually is featured in the Washington Post).
Twitter link:
https://twitter.com/SCOTUSPlaces/status/709243768520761344
If so, looks like Obama really is going with Sri.
If true, I just made $100.
Hmm. Not sure if this is legit.. but it was retweeted by reporter Michelle Olsen (who usually is featured in the Washington Post).
Twitter link:
https://twitter.com/SCOTUSPlaces/status/709243768520761344
If so, looks like Obama really is going with Sri.
Good. Sri is an awesome pick and extremely well qualified. I wonder if the calculus is that the GOP is on a glide path to imploding in the fall and that they will eventually see the logic in going with Obama's ick rather than have Hillary toss a liberal judge their way.
BoboBrazil
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Hmm. Not sure if this is legit.. but it was retweeted by reporter Michelle Olsen (who usually is featured in the Washington Post).
Twitter link:
https://twitter.com/SCOTUSPlaces/status/709243768520761344
If so, looks like Obama really is going with Sri.
So it is who everyone thought all along. Too bad the Senate isn't going to approve him.
eBay Huckster
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might still be Srinivasan, but for now
it's a faaaaaake
it's a faaaaaake
I feel like they might bend when they don't have to worry about getting primaried anymore.
Lol I love how the media had Sri picked out in under an hour of Scalia's death. Bams is going at warp 3 and the media is locked at warp 9.5.
I was about to fall asleep and decided to check online one more time. Now I'm wide awake and excited.
Not very often we get a SCOTUS nomination battle. The last really contested one was Clarence Thomas, but there's no way in hell this one could give us the same level of comedy gold.
Not very often we get a SCOTUS nomination battle. The last really contested one was Clarence Thomas, but there's no way in hell this one could give us the same level of comedy gold.
Basileus777
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But it's fake and the original tweeter has said so.
It's a fight we should have. The sooner we get past this the better. Not like West Virginia or Kentucky matter right now. It's for the best for their states.
VendettaRed07
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Silly that this coal thing is an issue for Hillary when Bernie has literally gone scorched earth on every business like coal and oil and would put those entire industries out of business if he could
Yup, just saw. Still excited about the idea of a pick coming possibly this week.
Glad she clarified right away.
shinra-bansho
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What exactly is the context of this coal thing? Is there a non-warped unedited version of it?
EDIT: Oh, I've found it. This is just dumb, her answer is fine.
EDIT: Oh, I've found it. This is just dumb, her answer is fine.
The proportion of the vote by race that seems high in the Marist poll is "Other" relative to 08. The lower Latino share isn't a result of the black share being identical to 08.
There was already a sizeable bloc of independents in Ohio 08; so it will be interesting to see whether this re-weighting upwards will bear out in Illinois. In a similar vein, it could be that the independent share of Ohio in these polls isn't reflective of what will turnout on Tuesday.
I doubt it's going to be Bernie who tries to make hay out of this one, it'll be the GOP in the general.
I agree totally. I probably just wouldn't have said it in Ohio, which has a decent coal industry.
Too busy going after him for saying he'd take all the trucks off the road. Also, they don't think he's going to win the primary, so they aren't spending a lot of time paying attention to him.
Box of Kittens
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To illustrate this, Carter's winning map from 1976 is quite something to see. I'd say it largely resembles Kennedy's winning map from 1960 but certainly it resembles no realistic map for a Democratic candidate today. He was able to stitch together just enough of the old Democratic coalition to get himself into the White House. On the other hand, Bill Clinton's 1992 map broadly resembles Democratic targets today. Clinton was really the first to successfully put together a sustainable winning Democratic coalition in the wake of the realignment that saw the South go Republican.
Knuckle Sandwich
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I bet on Ketanji Brown Jackson. Shoulda sold when she spiked. :-/
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Really though, Carter only beating Ford by 2% after Ford pardoned Richard Nixon is fucking insane.
A dead body should have gotten a better margin :/
A dead body should have gotten a better margin :/
Why is their symbol an elephant anyway?
"Nast invented another famous symbolthe Republican elephant. In a cartoon that appeared in Harper's Weekly in 1874, Nast drew a donkey clothed in lion's skin, scaring away all the animals at the zoo. One of those animals, the elephant, was labeled The Republican Vote. That's all it took for the elephant to become associated with the Republican Party."
Knuckle Sandwich
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it came from a political cartoon, as far as I remember. It somehow stuck as their symbol
ItWasMeantToBe19
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That is one shit cartoon.
Elephants are a great animal though.
Elephants are a great animal though.
Basileus777
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It's tough to win by more with the stranglehold the Republicans had on the West. I mean look at this map.
And then imagine someone other than Carter who couldn't have carried the South like he did.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Still, you would expect there to be a bit more than like a 3 or 4 point penalty for the party basically being represented, in image, by a crook who was one of the most hated men in America.
I mean, 48% of Americans felt "yeah, the Republicans did Watergate and I'm fine with that."
I don't know.
Macho Madness
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To be fair, I think Ford pardoning Nixon was the right thing to do. That is a bit of a crazy number though.
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I don't know... I kinda see the reasoning. Wanting to put it in the past and what not. But shouldn't actions such as those have real consequences?
Well, he did lose.
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