Macho Madness
Member
The DSCC needs to stop calling me. Jesus.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
PoliGAF 2016 |OT3| You know what they say about big Michigans - big Florida
- Thread starter Spoiled Milk
- Start date
- Status
User 463088
Banned
To be fair; my career stuff is aerospace / analytics, I think most of us didn't want to do political stuff long-term. I didn't get paid fwiw (would have pissed off work) - but basically it was a bunch of nerds who saw a fellow midwesterner who practiced principled pragmatism and wanted to bring hope and unity to a country that really needed it. So, when they needed some hardcore math / analytics / statistics work done for voter targeting and voting models and etc etc, and they weren't exactly flush with cash, we just scienced the shit out of it.
But if it interests you, at least apply and see what comes of it. Working on the ground for a campaign sucks ass, be warned, but if you find the right people, it can be a pretty...life-affirming thing.
For me, ever since 2003 I knew I wanted that dude to be governor of IL some day (we've had a bad run of governors, you can understand why) and maybe president (we were afraid for his safety though) just because he was humble, inspiring, sincere, genuine, and remembered that principles and pragmatism are allies, not enemies.
Working for him during the 04 primary and then US senate race (though...there wasn't that much we HAD to do in that race, lol) was one of the first times I gave a crap about politics and seeing the good it can do when people genuinely want to make things better than just gain power. I remember trekking back home to watch his announcement that he was entering the presidential race, and him somehow remembering me and saying hi, and taking a few seconds to meet my family and say hi. It makes me happy that you're seeing Obama this last year just say eff it and be who he is.
shinra-bansho
Member
Huh. How is he running Clinton 08.
She got working class whites and latinos. Obama had the ultraliberals. The young which overlaps anyway. AAs.
This time working class whites are split. He has the young and ultraliberals. She has AAs. She still has Latinos.
He's winning caucuses his strategy revolves around them like Obama. But Mook has basically blunted the impact.
She got working class whites and latinos. Obama had the ultraliberals. The young which overlaps anyway. AAs.
This time working class whites are split. He has the young and ultraliberals. She has AAs. She still has Latinos.
He's winning caucuses his strategy revolves around them like Obama. But Mook has basically blunted the impact.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Him too.
They should try and find a way to stop voters in that state from blaming the Demmycrats for everything.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I don't know how to feel about the fact that threats from business are being used for good now.
"Nice all-star game you've got there, shame if anything happened to it."
Free market working as intended imo.
such an ugly state! sad!
Is that middle one a golf course
Atomic Playboy
Member
I don't know how to feel about the fact that threats from business are being used for good now.
"Nice all-star game you've got there, shame if anything happened to it."
That's the best way to negotiate with conservatives; invoke the power of the free market. "Feel free to discriminate, but we'll take our business elsewhere." Let them justify their actions to Supply Side Jesus.
The strategy that Clinton's advisers pushed for were to go after the working class whites super hard, and use the Clinton name + connections to keep enough minorities attached to them that it would make Obama a non-threat.
While it's not a perfect 1;1; the idea of a) going squarely for working class whites and targeting the groups that are not being courted by your opponent, rather than contesting all groups and b) planning to get a victory early on and run over your opponent were both Clinton '08 plans. (Which I assume was Sanders' plan? Like it's the only one I can think of based on what he's done?)
Once Bernie lost / barely won Iowa...it was pretty grim for his chances. Bernie didn't really go after AAs super hard until it was way too late (note; he should have been doing that shit before Iowa, and pushing the intersectionality angle harder), and Hillary's more or less left working class whites off the radar, believing that once she wins the primary, the dem working class whites will fall in line. Clinton really didn't go after young folks during the primary in 08, similar to '16, and her and Bill handled the defection of AAs to Obama pretty fucking badly (ask John Lewis), and sort of gave up on them once they started defecting (sound vaguely familiar? Sanders supporters haven't handled the lack of minority support the best either).
User 463088
Banned
To me, it's like Bernie is trying to run a hybrid campaign, but he picked the wrong parts. He's taking the young vote, a la Obama, but he's unable (or unwilling, but probably the latter) to transition that into support among older voters and registered Democrats. He's ignoring minority voters, and trying to run up the margins with whites a la Hillary 2008. At least, then, she had the Latino vote. That's still firmly in her column...except for Nevada where she lost Latinos by seventy billion points.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Is that what we are going with now? I just want to keep track
shinra-bansho
Member
Sanders is going after the disaffected more than squarely working class whites. I don't think it was the original plan, he thought his economic populism would resonate naturally but lacks any skill at intersectional messaging. It's just how it's turned out. And he hasn't really won the group so much as split it.
Also I don't think trying to get early wins just to make a viable campaign argument (if that's even really a strategy) and trying to get early win that allow you to steamroll the nomination are the same. Clinton was planning on the latter both times anyway.
And again she ignored (white) caucuses in favor of large primaries. While his entire campaign is basically built on white caucuses.
I just really don't see the parallel.
Also I don't think trying to get early wins just to make a viable campaign argument (if that's even really a strategy) and trying to get early win that allow you to steamroll the nomination are the same. Clinton was planning on the latter both times anyway.
And again she ignored (white) caucuses in favor of large primaries. While his entire campaign is basically built on white caucuses.
I just really don't see the parallel.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Thinking back, i'm glad Obama won enough where Florida and the other states that jumped the line did not matter. Made that primary far easier for the party.
Something something retroactive momentum.
TumblingHippo
Member
They've had it in for him since day 1. I wish I could find the clip but I remember the Daily Show having clips of people calling him a failure the very first days of his presidency.
theprodigy
Member
I'm pretty sure "Bernie won Hispanics in Nevada" is a PoliGAF inside joke now.
User 463088
Banned
Yup.
And SC was lost because they don't have internet.
And MA was lost because Bill physically blocked 20,000 people.
And IL was lost because....look out behind you it's Wall Street!
Ohio was lost because....um....ESTABLISHMENT!
And Florida was lost because early voting is fraud and voter disenfranchisement.
And Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Tennessee and Arkansas didn't count because they're Red States, unlike Oklahoma, Utah, Idaho and Kansas.
blackaroni
Member
Are there any more activists/civil rights leaders left to be thrown under the bus during this primary?
Smug turtle. Hope you get primaried after you appoint garland in the lame duck session.
It's a shame, but I stopped being hyper alert to politics right after the election in 08. I was 18, first year of college, and I was engaged until the election, but afterwards, I tuned out until the ACA debates. I guess I always thought the GOP gave him deference for the majority of 09 and then rode the angry tea party wave to hating him. Fucking disgusting that people have loathes him from the get go.
Al Sharpton?
That's false. Bernie has tried harder to appeal to minority voters than Hillary Clinton has. However, his personality and his message don't resonate with most people of color who aren't millennials.
excelsiorlef
Member
What?
It's one thing to say he's tried but I'm gonna need receipts that he tried harder
Macho Madness
Member
I think it's safe to say he tried, there's just know way he could overcome the decades of connections the Clintons have, plus his strategy of doing rallies instead of intimate meetings didn't work.
User 463088
Banned
I mean, has he? He ignored every single state on Super Tuesday that had a higher than average AA population. I don't just mean a little bit, either. He ran no ads in places like Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana.
So, if his message doesn't resonate, you switch up your message, you don't just keep trying to put a square peg in a round hole and call it trying harder than everyone else.
Also, it's categorically false that Hillary didn't work very, very hard for her support in the AA community. Her speech in Harlem, her listening tours, her meeting and working with (and for) the mothers of the movement, the resources she poured into Flint, etc. She worked her ass off for the support she earned.
QuiteWhittle
Member
I doubt that, at least in regards to the black community.
Ether_Snake
å®å®å®å®å®å®å®å®å®å®å®å®å®å®å®
In addition to working for their vote hard in this current primary, she's been involved in communities of color for years. Sanders has only himself to blame for not trying to be active in the affairs (and not just from afar but up close and personal) of communities of color up until the very last second. That's super important if you want to be a modern Democrat of influence but since Sanders wasn't really a Democrat until recently, it clearly wasn't a priority for him.
Macho Madness
Member
35,000 have early voted in the Washington caucus as of today. That appears to be the Clinton campaign's strategy.
2 words: Cornell West
Voting in a caucus? Then it's a primary right?
Edit: Or is it like Nevada was for republicans?
User 85168
Banned
absentee
Ah okay. Danke!
its like Nebraska.
Macho Madness
Member
Affidavit ballots are accepted if you cannot caucus due to "work schedule, illness, disability, military service or religious observance."
That sounds like an honor system to me.
User 463088
Banned
More voter fraud from Shillary.
I think early voting in a caucus is so weird, but it makes sense. If the states would just agree to pay for the damn primaries, we could get rid of these idiotic caucus.
Macho Madness
Member
It's not fraud per-say but it is using the system to your advantage:
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...ee-votes-flood-in-before-democratic-caucuses/
They anticipate total turnout to be about 200,000.
The Canadian thinks this tough guy act is making him look strong, but it's actually making him look like a hothead. How about, "Why would I care what he thinks? Here's what I'm here to talk about..." Instead he's acting like they're going to meet behind the gym at 3 o'clock.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
What is the real cost difference between a Caucus and Primary? Why not have the DNC pickup some of the cost, like their cost of a Caucus?
User 463088
Banned
I'm poking fun at the Reddit peeps who started saying early voting is both fraud and voter disenfranchisement.
Macho Madness
Member
Renting a building and hiring workers for a few hours instead of a full day?
He attacked Obama. If you want to win the black vote that's the one thing you don't do, I'm white as shit and even I know that. It's like trying to win over Catholics by saying the pope is a little bitch.
The fact that Bernie Sanders pulled completely out of the South (not even running TV ads) after losing ONE state makes this post completely false. I don't even need to get into the many different ways Hillary interacted with the black community and addressed our issues.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
- Locked
- Locked
- Locked