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[noshten]

How about finding a real source. What the fuck is this.

I don't know about the source, I just wanted to quote Linda Sarsour to provide insight into her issues with Obama are a bit more widespread than him entering or not entering a mosque as Macho Madness framed it.

The United States is likely to send back 159 border-crossing migrants from Bangladesh, according to a report published in a vernacular daily in Dhaka.

The Manab Zamin newspaper reported that the US embassy in Dhaka has also asked Bangladeshi government to check identify of those migrants.

The America desk of the foreign ministry has already sent a list of the migrants, who are also called “aliens” in the US, to the home ministry for verification of the identity, the newspaper reported on February 19.

The report, however, could not be verified independently.

According to the newspaper, the detainees are aged between 25 and 40. The list sent to Bangladesh government contains age, driver’s license numbers and travel documents numbers of the migrants.

The US embassy has requested Bangladesh government to respond to the queries it made about the possible deportees. It also asked to report back about the progress on investigations.

Officials at the ministry of home affairs said that scrutiny of the list will be conducted in two/three days. Since there is no address of the detainees, it has become difficult for the officials to verify their identities, the newspaper reported quoting unnamed official. The ministry may ask for more information about the detainees from the US.

The arrestees are disclosed as

Spoiler

Mamun Alam, Sohel Ahmad, Mizanur Rahman, Sabbir Ahmmad, Moynul Islam, Mahmudul Jilani, Ahmad Rumon, Kamal Hosain, Mohammad Ohidur Rahman, Mohammad Sohel, Akter Hossain, Mahmudul Hasan, Nazmul Ahsan, Abdur Rahman, Fakrul Islam, Osim Chandra Das, Nasir Uddin, Emon Borua, Ahmed Sheikh Sibbin, Aminul Islam, Helal Uddin, Abbul Hossain, Harun Mia, Mohammad Salauddin, Ridoy Hossain, Jahid Hossein, Mohammad Uddin, Shorab Hossain, Asraf Hossain, Md Jakaria, Rasel Ahmmed, Abdus Samad, Monir Hossain, Toffazal Hossain, Mohammad Amanullah, Shibbir Ahmad, Ripon Sardar, Md Monir Hossain, Khaled Mia, Hafizur Rahman, Mohsin Hossain, Saju Ali, Mohammad Rasal, Amadur Rashid Babu, Abu Jafor, Abdul Asad, Mohammad Aslam, Mozzammel Hossain, Mohammad Ali Naser, Raihan, Motiur Rahman, Abdul Halim, Delawar Hossain, Akram Hossain, Navid Azam, Feroz Alam, Md Shohag Hossain, Bibek Kanti Das, Moinul Hoq, Asfaq Choyon, Estak Ahmad, Jummer Hossain, Md Mohusin, Gazi Kobir, Md. Sipon Ahmad Chowdhury, Bosir Babu, Jamal Mollah, Ali Asgor, Swokat Hosain, Monirul Munna, Mahbburur Rahman, Md Islam, Rashel Ahmad, Ekbal Muktar, Shihab Ahmad, Labu Khan, Nayem Sakar, Anower Rana, Nasim Ahmad, Milon Bhuiya, Mohammad Islam, Abu Bhuiya, Tareq Ahmed, Mamunor Rashid, Wahidul Islam, Mohammad Hossain, Abdur Rauf, Maruf Ahmad, Shaheed Ullah Dulal, Khaledur Rhaman, Abbul Hassan, Akab Uddin, Rajib Mia, Anawer Hossain, Sabul Hossain, Clinton Nath, Golam Mesbauddin, Md Shahjahan, Mahfuzur Rahman, Dalim Ahmad, Abu Sayeed , Mostafizur Rahman, Masum Uddin, Kamal Hosain, Asequl Rashel, Salman Hossain, Md Mahbbur Rahman, Shorab Hosain. Mohammed Tajel, Akram Hosain Abed and Sakil Probhagi.

http://newsnextbd.com/us-likely-to-deport-159-bangladesh-nationals/

But what exactly is wrong about what US Officials are doing?
As of right now it's asking for information about people who don't have US citizenship information.

That article does not even confirm deportation is going to happen yet.

These Refugees Are Being Returned to the Violent Circumstances They Left Behind

Two years ago, back in their hometowns in Bangladesh, they were ordinary young men whose political involvement didn’t go beyond local support for the opposition Bangladesh National Party (BNP). But political violence drove AJ, 21, Jahed, 27 (names concealed to protect their identity) on an epic journey across three continents and straight onto the battleground of American immigration politics. Now they’ve become national campaigners for the rights of refugees and even advised a couple presidential hopefuls on asylum policy. But they’re headed for exile again—soon to be deported back home, and, they fear, driven to an early grave.



Advocates also criticize the government’s designation of the BNP as a “Tier III terrorist organization.” Immigration lawyers say the courts apply this label in a way that runs counter to clear evidence in case law and media reports that BNP members are in fact routinely victims of political violence under the ruling party.

The rights to freedom of speech and assembly are coming under sustained attack by Bangladesh’s increasingly authoritarian government. Bloggers and others espousing secular values have been killed or injured by extremist groups. Security forces continue enforced disappearances, killings, and arbitrary arrests with impunity. Bangladesh made some progress in ensuring better safety regulations in garment factories following the 2013 Rana Plaza building collapse, which killed thousands of workers. Government agencies continue to prosecute, and in some cases execute, those convicted of war crimes committed during the 1971 war of independence, despite concerns that the trials do not meet international standards. Bangladesh has the highest rate of marriage in the world for girls under 15.

 

[Suikoguy]

But what exactly is wrong about what US Officials are doing?
As of right now it's asking for information about people who don't have US citizenship information.

That article does not even confirm deportation is going to happen yet.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Reuters Top News ‏@Reuters 18m18 minutes ago
Florida governor signs law ending funding to clinics providing abortions

2019....

 

[Mike M]

They went from a primary to a caucus?

Jesus.

We had both, but when we went to an open primary the parties decided that only the caucus counted, and the subsequent primaries have been cancelled.

 

[FiggyCal]

I'd go for the drone strikes and U.S. support of air strikes for negatives of Obama's policies towards Muslims. We kill innocents by the hundreds and we even bombed a UN hospital and it seems like no one really cares too much about that. But hey we killed ISIS's second in command -- that's something! Look over there!

 

[User 406]

https://twitter.com/ProBirdRights/status/713512639536635904

Feel the Berd, ya'll.

 

[johnsmith]

Yeah see that the nation article I'm fine with. I do think our asylum system is broken. But "The Obama Administration Prepares for Mass Deportation of Muslims" sounds like they're knocking down doors in Michigan and hunting down Muslims to deport and people were solely reacting to the headline.

And nothing there says they're being targeted because they're Muslim in any way.

 

[shinra-bansho]

To be clear, in alternative to remote drones what would people prefer the US does if anything in response to actionable counter terrorism intelligence?

 

[User1608]

I'd go for the drone strikes and U.S. support of air strikes for negatives of Obama's policies towards Muslims. We kill innocents by the hundreds and we even bombed a UN hospital and it seems like no one really cares too much about that. But hey we killed ISIS's second in command -- that's something! Look over there!

Yes, that has always stained my perception of Obama. He's done a lot of good, but there is no denying he's done so much harm to other, living human beings outside the US. Sucks. I don't believe he or anybody involved intentionally sets out to harm or kill innocents. But perhaps I'm naïve.

 

[FiggyCal]

To be clear, in alternative to remote drones what would people prefer the US does if anything in response to actionable counter terrorism intelligence?

I don't think people are objecting to the collecting intelligence part. I was under the impression that the drone strikes themselves were illegal in say, a country like Pakistan.

 

[Diablos]

There are 10 chemtrails in the sky and ninjas are on the front lawn trying to kill me

 

[Macho Madness]

I'm voting for Bernie.

 

[User 463088]

I'm voting for Bernie.

Any particular reason or just for the LOLz?

 

[BoboBrazil]

Same day they got the matching temp tattoos

 

[Tesseract]

We need a bad ass Muslim coalition, and a Muslim westpoint general. Westerners cannot fully understand the enemy, we're already showing them great weakness in our negotiations, technology, strange radical apologist empathy.

I dunno what the solution is obv, we gotta do better than an everyday killling of 10 innocents to kill one bad dude. Our intentionality is breaking down, the numbers are really bad.

 

[FiggyCal]

We really do need a bad ass Muslim coalition, and a Muslim westpoint general. I don't think Westerners can fully understand the enemy, we're already showing them great weakness in our negotiations, technology, strange radical apologist empathy.

I dunno what the solution is obv, but we gotta do better than blow the fuck out of 10 innocents to kill one bad dude. Our intentionality is breaking down, the numbers are really bad.

What do you think there is to understand about the enemy that we won't be able to?

 

[noshten]

We really do need a bad ass Muslim coalition, and a Muslim westpoint general. I don't think Westerners can fully understand the enemy, we're already showing them great weakness in our negotiations, technology, strange radical apologist empathy.

I dunno what the solution is obv, but we gotta do better than blow the fuck out of 10 soft targets to kill one bad actor. Our intentionality is breaking down, the numbers are really bad.

Yes, the drone strike comments from Bernie is one of the things I don't care about at all.

 

[Tesseract]

What do you think there is to understand about the enemy that we won't be able to?

I don't know, that's for the high IQ boys to figure out. They need to shake up the human input is all I'm saying. Droning seriously keeps me up at night, that shit is brutal.

 

[FiggyCal]

Yes, the drone strike comments from Bernie is one of the things I don't care about at all.

I feel like I missed something. What was Bernie's drone strike comment?

 

[Suikoguy]

To be clear, in alternative to remote drones what would people prefer the US does if anything in response to actionable counter terrorism intelligence?

Yep, the part that is so very rarely considered whenever drone strikes are talked about. Logically, using ground operations to act on intelligence should result in less innocent casualties, but to what degree I don't know. We don't intentionally target innocents to start with. And it will increase us troop casualties edit: and costs. Making it a really tough sell to the american public.

 

[Daniel B·]

Using a Vox "Tax Calculator" in an effort to demonize Bernie's tax plan, is the equivalent of Bill not only turning up at a polling station, but him also supervising the vote count ("Oops, I just don't know what's wrong with my coordination today", after spilling his "Big Gulp" over a large stack of paper ballots).

If you don't earn enough to pay Federal Income Tax (currently, less than $6,300), you still pay $0, under Bernie's tax plan, and, you'd pay $0 for your healthcare, too.

For low, to middle class income earners, who currently pay tax, the tax brackets are essentially the same, with the addition of the 2.2% healthcare tax. So, say you're earning minimum wage, and your annual income is 15k per annum; you'd pay an extra $191 ((15000-6300)*0.022), for Universal Healthcare, but you'd also pay $0, in healthcare premiums, deductables and co-pays, so would likely be ahead by $$$!

The other thing that is not being mentioned, is that, you wouldn't start paying the extra 2.2% healthcare tax, until the new service is in place, and the service would be utilizing the same network of hospitals and doctors, as used for Medicaid.

Sure, if you're in the 1% club (congrats.), you will likely have to pay several thousand more in taxes, including on capital gains etc (about time), but hardly at levels where you'd be making your caviar and crackers go soggy (from the tears) .

 

[shem935]

To be clear, in alternative to remote drones what would people prefer the US does if anything in response to actionable counter terrorism intelligence?

This may seem naive and uniformed of the reality of the situation in the region,

Spoiler

because it probably is

, but what is the problem with just not killing them? I feel our actions with drone strikes sans ISIS are counterproductive in the region and preserve a cycle of violence. We obviously aren't catching or killing all of the minnows who the leaders send to attack us and we are achieving security through more traditional means of protecting our borders. So why can't we just leave it at turtle-ing at our border? I do think we should assist with the fight against ISIS because we had a major role in destabilizing that region and we should help fix it.

 

[Holmes]

Ah, Daniel B.

 

[noshten]

I feel like I missed something. What was Bernie's drone strike comment?

In an interview with NBC’s Meet the Press scheduled for broadcast on Sunday, host Chuck Todd asked the independent senator from Vermont if drones or special forces would play a role in his counter-terror plans.

“All of that and more,” Sanders said.

Asked to clarify, he added: “Look, a drone is a weapon. When it works badly, it is terrible and it is counterproductive. When you blow up a facility or a building which kills women and children, you know what? … It’s terrible.”

The Obama administration’s use of drones to target terrorist suspects has proved controversial, particularly with the political left. Sanders, a self-professed democratic socialist, has proven popular in such circles in the 2016 campaign so far.

Todd asked Sanders: “But you’re comfortable with the idea of using drones if you think you’ve isolated an important terrorist?”

Sanders replied: “Yes”.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/11/bernie-sanders-drones-counter-terror

I simply don't find that drones do anything more than amplify hatred against the US. Also I question some of the intelligence being gathered and used in such strikes, especially in countries that are already extremely unstable.

Documents detailing a special operations campaign in northeastern Afghanistan, Operation Haymaker, show that between January 2012 and February 2013, U.S. special operations airstrikes killed more than 200 people. Of those, only 35 were the intended targets. During one five-month period of the operation, according to the documents, nearly 90 percent of the people killed in airstrikes were not the intended targets. In Yemen and Somalia, where the U.S. has far more limited intelligence capabilities to confirm the people killed are the intended targets, the equivalent ratios may well be much worse.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/civilian-deaths-drone-strikes_us_561fafe2e4b028dd7ea6c4ff

 

[Tesseract]

Also not a fan of sander's comments, I also wonder what really goes on in that war room.

 

[Suikoguy]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/11/bernie-sanders-drones-counter-terror

I simply don't find that drones do anything more than amplify hatred against the US. Also I question some of the intelligence being gathered and used in such strikes, especially in countries that are already extremely unstable.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/civilian-deaths-drone-strikes_us_561fafe2e4b028dd7ea6c4ff

You have a valid argument, I just don't know if there is enough data to support it. Look at Belgium. What have they done other then arrest a suspect in the Paris attacks? I'm just not sure "leaving them alone" is going to work as well as we would like to think.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

I'm voting for Bernie.

Are you in one of the states voting tomorrow?

 

[noshten]

You have a valid argument, I just don't know if there is enough data to support it. Look at Belgium. What have they done other then arrest a suspect in the Paris attacks? I'm just not sure "leaving them alone" is going to work as well as we would like to think.

This is why I dislike this thread - where did I say they should be left alone. Simply unless you have the necessary people on the ground to take out a target you can't be playing a lottery that is costing lives. When you have no skin in the game suddenly it's very easy to pull the trigger and cause devastation upon whole communities.

 

[Suikoguy]

This is why I dislike this thread - where did I say they should be left alone. Simply unless you have the necessary people on the ground to take out a target you can't be playing a lottery that is costing lives. When you have no skin in the game suddenly it's very easy to pull the trigger and cause devastation upon whole communities.

Ah, I've seen the other argument made too in several places. You are arguing for troops only acting on intelligence, which is not a typical position. I agree, as mentioned previously, that it should logically result in less casualties. Your point about questioning pulling the trigger is a nice side effect I had not considered.

 

[Macho Madness]

15,000 is the estimate at the Bernie rally in Seattle. It can hold a lot more but that's still impressive.

Are you in one of the states voting tomorrow?

May 3rd. Indiana.

 

[User 463088]

15,000 is the estimate at the Bernie rally in Seattle. It can hold a lot more but that's still impressive.


May 3rd. Indiana.

Are you really voting for Bernie? It's totally cool, just wondering. I'm not good at sarcasm at the moment.

 

[Tarkus]

Using a Vox "Tax Calculator" in an effort to demonize Bernie's tax plan, is the equivalent of Bill not only turning up at a polling station, but him also supervising the vote count ("Oops, I just don't know what's wrong with my coordination today", after spilling his "Big Gulp" over a large stack of paper ballots).

If you don't earn enough to pay Federal Income Tax (currently, less than $6,300), you still pay $0, under Bernie's tax plan, and, you'd pay $0 for your healthcare, too.

For low, to middle class income earners, who currently pay tax, the tax brackets are essentially the same, with the addition of the 2.2% healthcare tax. So, say you're earning minimum wage, and your annual income is 15k per annum; you'd pay an extra $191 ((15000-6300)*0.022), for Universal Healthcare, but you'd also pay $0, in healthcare premiums, deductables and co-pays, so would likely be ahead by $$$!

The other thing that is not being mentioned, is that, you wouldn't start paying the extra 2.2% healthcare tax, until the new service is in place, and the service would be utilizing the same network of hospitals and doctors, as used for Medicaid.

Sure, if you're in the 1% club (congrats.), you will likely have to pay several thousand more in taxes, including on capital gains etc (about time), but hardly at levels where you'd be making your caviar and crackers go soggy (from the tears) .

I'm paying over $25K more with him. Yes, he is a demon. I'll leave the country. I have a place waiting for me in Ecuador if such a thing should happen.

 

[noshten]

"Be part of nature not destroy nature" - Birdie Sanders

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Wait Bernie supports drone strikes? Maybe he does have some foreign policy cred.

I like he's not as doctrinaire in Foreign policy but he should have been able to articulate this in the debates.

 

[Suikoguy]

Wait Bernie supports drone strike? Maybe he does have some foreign policy cred.

Oh I wish the issue was that simple

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Oh I wish the issue was that simple

I don't think drone strikes are simple.

But an unqualified opposition to them is simply not something that any commander in chief should have.

I will say I feel the blow back arguement is overblown. If you want to argue that the civilians killed outweigh the benefits thats a fair arguement, but to often I think the blowback argument is a way for people to oppose the strikes while not seeming to say they just don't think we should kill terrorists in these strikes. I just don't see any real evidence they've made us less safe.

I'm down to have a moralistic argument. Just don't couch it in pretending to care about effectiveness.

 

[kirblar]

Drones are a tool. How that tool is to be used is a reasonable debate- but "don't use Drones" is not a reasonable position.

 

[FiggyCal]

I don't think drone strikes are simple.

But an unqualified opposition to them is simply not something that any commander in chief should have.

Yeah. Even Rand Paul supported drone strikes on American soil. I guess wanting to be head of a state necessarily involves some level of uncomfortable violence.

 

[pigeon]

Yeah. Even Rand Paul supported drone strikes on American soil. I guess wanting to be head of a state necessarily involves some level of uncomfortable violence.

You've been reading benji for how many years and didn't think about that?

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Yeah. Even Rand Paul supported drone strikes on American soil. I guess wanting to be head of a state necessarily involves some level of uncomfortable violence.

I dont know if your being sarcastic with your "on American soil" quip (even though that doctrine is clearly established with police having the legal authority to kill, the theory behind drones is a kind of expensive policing power overseas where its not feasible to do typical policing) but to your last point, I think it's 100% fair to say being commander in chief your going to have to commit some violence that some people are going to question and might not be 100% comfortable.

 

[Macho Madness]

15,123 at the Bernie rally in Seattle. Nice.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

15,123 at the Bernie rally in Seattle. Nice.

Was this including the bird?

 

[noshten]

Drones are a tool. How that tool is to be used is a reasonable debate- but "don't use Drones" is not a reasonable position.

Except no one had such a position, it's a matter that currently there is a 10% success rate in countries with US Military presence and possibly an even lower success rate(unless Al Qaeda or ISIL paint a target) elsewhere where intelligence is suspect and there is no military presence. Unless there is the necessary information to bring that up above 50% I'd say it is in no way justified.
Loads and loads of individual joining terrorists organizations were kids as clear skies became dangerous. I don't think many people understand the implication of these types of deaths in these communities and the deep hatred these actions lead to.

 

[potatohead]

In my opinion, the RNC is fucked no matter which direction they fart in. Might as well deny Trump, piss off his supporters and have them defect. It'll lead to a stronger party in the long run, might even help them eventually win over some minority voters after they amputate that overtly racist limb.

The funny thing is that Trump is much more Democratic based on his policies.

The right-wing tea party that are pro-free trade anti-abortion etc etc Christian values or die are the ones killing their own party. And Trump is the opposite of that. He is actually a Democrat based on his policies, the xenophobic stuff aside.

The party is so crap that it would actually be better off with just Trump calling all the shots which is the hilarious part.

The GOP has done a fantastic job of offering the least reputable and most disgusting individuals up for the nomination for their candidate, aside from Kasich who is probably the only real Republican in the entire race there.

 

[Bowdz]

Except no one had such a position, it's a matter that currently there is a 10% success rate in countries with US Military presence and possibly an even lower success rate(unless Al Qaeda or ISIL paint a target) elsewhere where intelligence is suspect and there is no military presence. Unless there is the necessary information to bring that up above 50% I'd say it is in no way justified.
Loads and loads of individual joining terrorists organizations were kids as clear skies became dangerous. I don't think many people understand the implication of these types of deaths in these communities and the deep hatred these actions lead to.

I'm not going to defend civilian casualties, but using that report to say drone strikes have a 10% success rate is completely different than the report saying 90% of all casualties from drone strikes were not the intended target. If the target was killed in the strike, by most military definitions, it will be considered a success.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Except no one had such a position, it's a matter that currently there is a 10% success rate in countries with US Military presence and possibly an even lower success rate(unless Al Qaeda or ISIL paint a target) elsewhere where intelligence is suspect and there is no military presence. Unless there is the necessary information to bring that up above 50% I'd say it is in no way justified.
Loads and loads of individual joining terrorists organizations were kids as clear skies became dangerous. I don't think many people understand the implication of these types of deaths in these communities and the deep hatred these actions lead to.

I don't mean to be crass but do you?

Too often the only thing I see presented as evidence are surveys about feelings about the US, or a quote or two. Ive never seen any evidence it's increased terrorism at all.

Again im not trying to attack you or anything but I don't really think there is much evidence for this in any real sense which is why I think it's more a moralistic argument.

 

[Makai]

STEM |OT| Science, Technology, Engineering and Math Community Thread

10 posts. Liberal arts is cruel.

 

[User 463088]

STEM |OT| Science, Technology, Engineering and Math Community Thread

10 posts. Liberal arts is cruel.

It's cause STEM nerds don't have social skills.

Amirite ?

I wish I had a STEM degree.

 

[teiresias]

STEM |OT| Science, Technology, Engineering and Math Community Thread

10 posts. Liberal arts is cruel.

STEM graduates busy with other things . . . like working.

 

[Poodlestrike]

STEM graduates busy with other things . . . like working.

True story, I was kvetching to a buddy in liberal arts about having to choose between like 3 co-op job offers and he's just looking at me with this pained expression on his face and he goes "you guys know how fucking obnoxious it is when you bitch about having too many job offers, right?"