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PoliGAF 2016 |OT3| You know what they say about big Michigans - big Florida

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NYCmetsfan

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shinra-bansho said:
Srinivasan is probably centre left by US standards from memory. Provided they're left of the current swing they shift the court. But there's no Notorious RBG coming out of this.
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RGB wasn't that liberal when she was first nominated. Their judicial temperament is more important as issues are likely to change and if obama is using this

I will seek someone who understands that justice isn't about some abstract legal theory or footnote in a casebook; it is also about how our laws affect the daily realities of people's lives, whether they can make a living and care for their families, whether they feel safe in their homes and welcome in their own nation. I view that quality of empathy, of understanding and identifying with people’s hopes and struggles, as an essential ingredient for arriving at just decisions and outcomes.
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and his empathy quote

I trust the person will be firmly liberal.

Past cases aren't the best way to judge future decisions
 
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Oh my. I go away for a few hours and race relations have been set back another decade? Fantastic.

This poor CNN guy doesn't even know what to say. I'm laughing, but probably shouldn't be.

Worst part is that this just reinforces what Trump voters think. Oh fuck sake, don't chant "Bernie." That'll just make things worse.

Are they at UIC (downtown) maybe? That'd be a source of thousands of protesters on very short notice.
 
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sunshine and gasoline said:
While I don't like Trump nor the kinds of people he is stirring up I'm not too fond of fights breaking out and getting these rallies cancelled/post-poned.
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Obviously it's not civil, but Trump brought this upon himself. You go on stage and say the kind of shit he says and people will get stirred up. It's inevitable.
 
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aspiegamer

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Yeah, that's the UIC arena. Great venue for raves! Quite intimate. Many entrances and exits and it'd be freaking impossible to 100% secure the building without hundreds of officers.
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The anti-Trump people were just handed the gameplan to muzzle Trump
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Being able to tie them to Sanders is bad, though. He'll get blamed.
 
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Diablos said:
Obviously it's not civil, but Trump brought this upon himself. You go on stage and say the kind of shit he says and people will get stirred up. It's inevitable.
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I'm going to want to go off on a weird tangent here but many new atheists/dawkins liberal types will call you a victim blaming for saying that (imagine you said the same thing about charlie hebdo). Free speech and stuff!

BUT I agree with you. Just because you can say shit doesn't mean you do it over and over.
 
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aspiegamer said:
Yeah, that's the UIC arena. Great venue for raves! Quite intimate. Many entrances and exits and it'd be freaking impossible to 100% secure the building without hundreds of officers.
Being able to tie them to Sanders is bad, though. He'll get blamed.
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Meh, Trump will get ALL the blame for this
 
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sunshine and gasoline

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Diablos said:
Obviously it's not civil, but Trump brought this upon himself. You go on stage and say the kind of shit he says and people will get stirred up. It's inevitable.
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I don't disagree. His actions more or less created the situation for this to occur. Just wish that people were able to keep themselves in check more. :/
 
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This woman is yelling a lot about "race baiting" for a Donald Trump fan.

Oh god, she's bringing up that she's a 1/12 Native American and thus is a minority, jesus.
 
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royalan

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Wow, the extreme fringes of both parties closing right before our eyes.

I don't know if it's good for Bernie to have his campaign/followers associated with what's happening here...
 
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Diablos

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RustyNails said:
I'm going to want to go off on a weird tangent here but many new atheists/dawkins liberal types will call you a victim blaming for saying that (imagine you said the same thing about charlie hebdo). Free speech and stuff!

BUT I agree with you. Just because you can say shit doesn't mean you do it over and over.
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Yeah I'm aware. Trump is running for President of the US. Charlie Hebdo is a magazine. There's a difference.
 
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I'm sort of concerned that this was all deliberate?! He had to know there'd be extra trouble holding an event in the damn middle of the city with a majority minority population in the area + thousands of college students a few blocks away + in a building that would be impossible to secure entirely. As the CNN guy said, there are huge arenas out in the red-as-fuck suburbs that would be relatively immune to something like this.
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Meh, Trump will get ALL the blame for this
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I hope so. But it's not exactly great optics (sorry) that the protesters had a chant for Bernie. Trump's angle will be that those damn socialists are deliberately trying to stir up trouble. Or some other bullshit. Sigh. This is fucking terrible.
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I don't know if it's good for Bernie to have his campaign/followers associated with what's happening here...
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I'm extremely worried about this. Tying the racial tensions with a direct political fight at the same time is more trouble.
 
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shinra-bansho said:
Srinivasan is probably centre left by US standards from memory. Provided they're left of the current swing they shift the court. But there's no Notorious RBG coming out of this.
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Frankly, you could appoint a center-right judge and it would still be a drastic swing to the left. Scalia was a nightmare.


Macho Madness said:
Trump cancelled or at least postponed: https://twitter.com/JDiamond1/status/708451144452980737
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Allard

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RustyNails said:
I'm going to want to go off on a weird tangent here but many new atheists/dawkins liberal types will call you a victim blaming for saying that (imagine you said the same thing about charlie hebdo). Free speech and stuff!

BUT I agree with you. Just because you can say shit doesn't mean you do it over and over.
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Main difference from the Hebdo stuff is they are provocative without sending a direct message (although the messages themselves are not subtle and usually very hateful), Trump is more like someone shouting fire in a crowded theater mixed with direct threats. He has been encouraging direct violence on protesters who show up, to me that is the line that should never been crossed and he does unfortunately reap what is sown by asking for that violence be done to those who disagree with him. If anyone is hospitalized or killed at these rallies, whether by protester or even people just at the rallies, the blame will be partly put on him for creating an unsafe environment with his actions. To that extent I am glad to see the rally canceled but till he actually starts moderating and discouraging this violent behavior he will stay the head of the monster.
 
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DontBeThatGuy said:
Please. This is amazing. I hope the protests get bigger and bigger.
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I am inclined to somewhat agree but on the other hand I feel like we're on the brink of another big movement, which is basically, everyone else vs. the establishment/elites/etc. (especially Republicans).

Allard said:
Main difference from the Hebdo stuff is they are provocative without sending a direct message (although the messages themselves are not subtle and usually very hateful), Trump is more like someone shouting fire in a crowded theater mixed with direct threats. He has been encouraging direct violence on protesters who show up, to me that is the line that should never been crossed and he does unfortunately reap what is sown by asking for that violence be done to those who disagree with him. If anyone is hospitalized or killed at these rallies, whether by protester or even people just at the rallies, the blame will be partly put on him for creating an unsafe environment with his actions. To that extent I am glad to see the rally canceled but till he actually starts moderating and discouraging this violent behavior he will stay the head of the monster.
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He is also someone who could become President, and in the interim is basically acting as a figurehead for the political ideology of a big chunk of this country for the world to see. If elected he's someone who could enact policies and make executive decisions that literally affect every American and have international consequences as well. Even if he's not elected the fact that he's doing what he's doing is forever changing the rules of US politics and for the worse. So, if you're Donald Trump and you go on a stage and say the numerous offensive things he has said, people will get extremely upset and start thinking irrationally which can lead to violence.

Charlie Hebdo is a magazine that doesn't have authority over a fucking thing.
 
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