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PoliGAF 2017 |OT2| Well, maybe McMaster isn't a traitor.

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ErichWK

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Why do pro trump people keep talking about paid Protesters? Did that really happen? The only time i heard this happening was James O'keefe paying protesters to pretend to be liberal Protesters
 

pigeon

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Yes?

He got to see his family because he snowed his ex-wife in the end..

That doesn't mean it worked.

You're banned, bro.

Mrs Doubtfire is a movie about a guy who loses his kids because he is not a responsible father.

He learns to be a responsible father by being Mrs Doubtfire and demonstrates that to his wife, so he gets access to his kids again.

The double date falls apart but ultimately he gets what he wants in the end because the double date helped demonstrate his devotion to his kids.
 

Pixieking

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Apologies if repost, but hooooooooo-boy, this is right-up PoliGAF's alley. :p

Democrats are still ignoring the people who could have helped them defeat Trump, Ohio party leaders say

“It doesn’t matter how much we scream and holler about jobs and the economy at the local level. Our national leaders still don’t get it,” said David Betras, the county’s party chair. “While Trump is talking about trade and jobs, they’re still obsessing about which bathrooms people should be allowed to go into.”

Since Trump’s election, the movement against him has injected newfound energy and purpose into the left. The argument that has emerged from key heartland states — where Democrats lost by narrow margins — is that the party’s new focal point needs to be economic issues.

Others take offense at the idea of ceding focus on causes such as gay rights, anti-Muslim discrimination, racial disparity, abortion and women’s rights for the sake of votes.
 

kirblar

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“It doesn’t matter how much we scream and holler about jobs and the economy at the local level. Our national leaders still don’t get it,” said David Betras, the county’s party chair. “While Trump is talking about trade and jobs, they’re still obsessing about which bathrooms people should be allowed to go into.”
One party is obsessing about Bathrooms. And it ain't the goddamn dems.
 

kirblar

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”While Trump is talking about trade and jobs, they're still obsessing about which bathrooms people should be allowed to go into."

Jesus
Sanders thread had one complaining about "identity politics" and benefits going to "everyone but my family."

They are exactly what we have said they are.
 

jtb

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The AHCA just went up in flames. You don't get to cry "bu- what about the jobs? what about the workers?" when Trump and the GOP just tried to kick 20 million people off health insurance.

Fucking lukewarm, stale takes over here.
 

Crocodile

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The issue for some isn't that economics aren't being talked about enough (like Trump has done shit about trade or jobs since the Carrier "deal" LOL) but rather Civil Rights are being talked about at all. If some people aren't the center of attention all the time they feel like they aren't being heard at all. A pattern seen across the isle unfortunately :/
 

kirblar

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The issue for some isn't that economics aren't being talked about enough (like Trump has done shit about trade or jobs since the Carrier "deal" LOL) but rather Civil Rights are being talked about at all. If some people aren't the center of attention all the time they feel like they aren't being heard at all. A pattern seen across the isle unfortunately :/
It's worse than that. Racial resentment means that they see government spending as always going to "the other" and not to them.
 

sc0la

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31 companies have now pulled advertising from Bill O'Reilly. Good shit.
Is there something different than last time he harassed (falafel) or domestically abused women (dragged ex-wife down stairs by neck) that are causing advertisers to flee?

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So I take it Spicer isn't going on today because of Trump's meeting with the King?
Don King is back? lawd
Oh not that king.
 
Instead of talking about the environment, he said in a phone interview, Democrats should focus on creating green jobs.
This part cracked me up because I was just reading that part of the problem Democrats have with climate change is that they talk too much about jobs and not enough about keeping the planet from killing us all.

which important swing state party is more incompetent though, Ohio or Florida?
 

kirblar

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This part cracked me up because I was just reading that part of the problem Democrats have with climate change is that they talk too much about jobs and not enough about keeping the planet from killing us all.

which important swing state party is more incompetent though, Ohio or Florida?
I'm not sure it'd matter if Ohio were competent.
 

NeoXChaos

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Yeah, the Ohio Democratic Party is exactly who I would ask about crafting a winning strategy.

That article is head scratching. Aside from Bill and Obama's 2 wins. OH Democratic Party has been for the last 25 years aside from 2006 and Sherrod Brown been a smashing failure of loss after loss.

*Lost the previous 6 out of 7 Gubernatorial contest since 1990
*Last held the OH Senate in 1984.
*Last held State House 2011 and before that 1994
*Last held both was in 1984

The party has had more success in increasing red IA than OH
 
I've gotta hand it to Trump. The Susan Rice deflection is nearly perfect in its execution. Even if it's most likely a complete lie.

He's good at distracting you. It's probably the only thing he's good at.

It hasn't slowed the reporting about Russia. It hasn't changed his approval numbers. What has this distraction done for him other than preach to the already converted?

If this was his plan then it hasn't gone particularly well, he's placed Nunes in a terrible political situation and steeled the Senate's resolve to investigate him. It seems like a pretty bad plan from where I'm sitting.
 

kirblar

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That article is head scratching. Aside from Bill and Obama's 2 wins. OH Democratic Party has been for the last 25 years aside from 2006 and Sherrod Brown been a smashing failure of loss after loss.

*Lost the previous 6 out of 7 Gubernatorial contest since 1990
*Last held the OH Senate in 1984.
*Last held State House 2011 and before that 1994
*Last held both was in 1984
Here's a pretty simple explanation for why it's easier there:

Black population in Iowa- 2.9%
Black population in Ohio- 12.2%

It's the same reason it's easier to win Vermont and the same reason those states were easily picked up by Bernie.
 

kirblar

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Bernie lost Iowa and Ohio though. He didn't even win white voters in Ohio!
Oh yeah, Clinton had the surprise win there by a hair. I wasn't referring to Ohio in that statement tho. By "those states" (fixing the typo from "the states") I mean the ones w/ almost no black people in them.
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Ogodei

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That article is head scratching. Aside from Bill and Obama's 2 wins. OH Democratic Party has been for the last 25 years aside from 2006 and Sherrod Brown been a smashing failure of loss after loss.

*Lost the previous 6 out of 7 Gubernatorial contest since 1990
*Last held the OH Senate in 1984.
*Last held State House 2011 and before that 1994
*Last held both was in 1984

The party has had more success in increasing red IA than OH

Aye, Ohio's been trending right for a good long time. It doesn't have the factors that kept other Great Lakes states more competitive for the Democrats, like Wisconsin's legacy of Progressive and Socialist politicians, Chicago, Michigan's UAW or Philadelphia.
 

pigeon

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This part cracked me up because I was just reading that part of the problem Democrats have with climate change is that they talk too much about jobs and not enough about keeping the planet from killing us all.

which important swing state party is more incompetent though, Ohio or Florida?

Trick question, Ohio isn't a swing state any more :(
 
Aye, Ohio's been trending right for a good long time. It doesn't have the factors that kept other Great Lakes states more competitive for the Democrats, like Wisconsin's legacy of Progressive and Socialist politicians, Chicago, Michigan's UAW or Philadelphia.
afaik Ohio's pretty much always been less progressive than the other states because it was had other competing demographics to counterbalance the black vote and the union vote. With the decline of unions, it makes sense that it would cease to really seem competitive while the other solidly Democratic Great Lakes states would turn into swing states.
 

Crocodile

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It's worse than that. Racial resentment means that they see government spending as always going to "the other" and not to them.

For the Ohio Democratic Party, I think its less racial resentment at play (I'm well aware of how that poisons discourse and voter support for specific programs and initiatives) and more privilege. That is to say "those issues don't matter to me personally so stop wasting time talking about them and listen to only me!"
 

kirblar

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afaik Ohio's pretty much always been less progressive than the other states because it was had other competing demographics to counterbalance the black vote and the union vote. With the decline of unions, it makes sense that it would cease to really seem competitive while the other solidly Democratic Great Lakes states would turn into swing states.
It also borders WV and KY so Appalachia's influence is there on the outskirts. The more northern states aren't having to deal w/ that.
 

DonShula

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“It doesn’t matter how much we scream and holler about jobs and the economy at the local level. Our national leaders still don’t get it,” said David Betras, the county’s party chair. “While Trump is talking about trade and jobs, they’re still obsessing about which bathrooms people should be allowed to go into.”

This is tone deaf. Trump is literally talking about jobs and trade without doing anything to help. What kind of party chair finds that minuscule level of effort acceptable? It's almost as if he's accidentally advocating for "style" over substance and he doesn't realize it.
 

Slacker

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Trump says "It's a sad day for Russia" cause they're involved in the Syrian thing. I was thinking it was sad for the children who choked to death on poison gas, but yeah let's spare a thought for what Russia must be going through too.
 

DonShula

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For the Ohio Democratic Party, I think its less racial resentment at play (I'm well aware of how that poisons discourse and voter support for specific programs and initiatives) and more privilege. That is to say "those issues don't matter to me personally so stop wasting time talking about them and listen to only me!"

And all of that seems to be happening with the realization that they (Ohio) have a bit more pull due to their swing status and are trying to leverage it. Knowingly childish, if you will.
 

kirblar

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And all of that seems to be happening with the realization that they (Ohio) have a bit more pull due to their swing status and are trying to leverage it. Knowingly childish, if you will.
They really don't have that status anymore. It was written off very early in the campaign by Clinton's campaign, and with good reason.
 
afaik Ohio's pretty much always been less progressive than the other states because it was had other competing demographics to counterbalance the black vote and the union vote. With the decline of unions, it makes sense that it would cease to really seem competitive while the other solidly Democratic Great Lakes states would turn into swing states.

Yeah, I'm not really aware of a time since the founding of the Republican Party when Ohio hasn't had at least a slight Republican lean. No Republican has even been elected president without winning Ohio, including cases where the Democrat won the popular vote. On the other hand, Cleveland (1884, 1892), FDR (1944), and JFK (1960) all won elections while losing Ohio.
 
Trump says "It's a sad day for Russia" cause they're involved in the Syrian thing. I was thinking it was sad for the children who choked to death on poison gas, but yeah let's spare a thought for what Russia must be going through too.

Was he maybe talking about the metro bombing in Russia?
 
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