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PoliGAF 2017 |OT2| Well, maybe McMaster isn't a traitor.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/ro-khanna-trillion-dollar-plan/524754/ - Interesting interview w/ Ro Khanna, who just got elected to represent part of Silicon Valley. His big proposal is getting a massive expansion of the EITC (one that would be a gigantic increase for people without kids), and I really like the way he's talking about this stuff, because he's not trying to build a time machine.

Eh, Khanna was basically paid off by our Silicon Valley overlords including Peter Thiel to take out one of the most liberal members of Congress in a safe seat, so screw him.
 

kirblar

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nothing wrong with taking out people in a safe seat, though

was a pretty good interview! doubt silicon valley would be happy about his comments re: antitrust
*cough*Gabbard, DWS*cough*

Turns out he teaches econ, which explains a lot about how he's framing his policy proposals (and why he's not a believer in unions as a way for the majority of jobs in the country.)
 

Slayven

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Yeah black twitter wasn't trying to hear that. The optics of white people trying limit a black man will never be accepted
 
Yeah black twitter wasn't trying to hear that. The optics of white people trying limit a black man will never be accepted
Yeah. And considering wall street is at most, a minor issue to black people, other liberals might never understand. Obama IS the embodiment of black excellence and achievement. So these news pubs and their takes just sound like the media trying to devalue black achievement yet again.
 

Slayven

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Yeah. And considering wall street is at most, a minor issue to black people, people will never understand. Obama IS the embodiment of black excellence and achievement. So these news pubs and their takes just sound like the media trying to devalue black achievement yet again.

The tone deafness will never not be amazing. "Be successful, but only in a way we approve". Twice as hard for half as much will never die. Obama was literally perfect and yet people demand more.
 

royalan

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Yeah. And considering wall street is at most, a minor issue to black people, other liberals might never understand. Obama IS the embodiment of black excellence and achievement. So these news pubs and their takes just sound like the media trying to devalue black achievement yet again.

Yep.
 

Boke1879

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That's all I wanted to know and I was right. Black people, especially younger black people don't give a fuck about this.

Obama should charge a million per speech. Many people would do the exact same in his position. This "outrage" is a fucking joke.


On another note. Didn't know where to post this, but I feel it's relevant.

MikeFarb
@mikefarb1
#unhackthevote
Wisconsin's strict voter id law meant that 300,000 registered voters lacked the id needed to vote. Trump won by 22k votes.

12:28pm · 29 Apr 2017 · Twitter Web Client
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It's a good political point and slogan that fighting climate change would create jobs, but someone should grapple with the fact that those jobs would be in Florida, Texas, Cali, Georgia, Arizona, and NM.

I don't see why those jobs would go to Appalachia.
 
That's all I wanted to know and I was right. Black people, especially younger black people don't give a fuck about this.
Black millennials SHOULD be the most receptive to these critiques but they're not. so you know it looks even worse to older voters. Wall Street isn't a black issue and it hasn't been ever since our very own got burned down nearly a century ago. There are far more important issues to the black community. People (and especially our candidates) need to realize this or they'll never be able to speak to nonwhite voters.

Is wall street reform going to significantly benefit anybody besides white americans? Is it going to stop law enforcement from fucking over the community at every turn? Is it going to stop racist mortgage practices? None of the proposed wall street reforms are integral to the fabrics of systemic racism.

The housing crisis ended and here black people are still going to our shitty schools and getting shot by shitty cops.
 

Slayven

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Black millennials SHOULD be the most receptive to these critiques but they're not. so you know it looks even worse to older voters. Wall Street isn't a black issue and it hasn't been ever since our very own got burned down nearly a century ago. There are far more important issues to the black community. People (and especially our candidates) need to realize this or they'll never be able to speak to nonwhite voters.

It's fine to talk about wallstreet, but it's not fine to handwave away issues or think defeating wallstreet will solve all ills.

Black millennials SHOULD be the most receptive to these critiques but they're not. so you know it looks even worse to older voters. Wall Street isn't a black issue and it hasn't been ever since our very own got burned down nearly a century ago. There are far more important issues to the black community. People (and especially our candidates) need to realize this or they'll never be able to speak to nonwhite voters.


Is wall street reform going to significantly benefit anybody besides white americans? Is it going to stop law enforcement from fucking over the community at every turn? Is it going to stop racist mortgage practices? None of the proposed wall street reforms are integral to the fabrics of systemic racism.

The housing crisis ended and here black people are still going to our shitty schools and getting shot by shitty cops.
Yep, fixing a lot of shit that institutional racism uses to harm minorities( drug offensives, communtity mental health, etc) would oddly enough benefit poor white people too. Shocking, I know
 
Regular reminder that right wing media doesn't care about anything as long as it suits them
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Gruco

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I remember going to a couple conferences in like 2012, 2013, and the keynotes were Larry Summers and Pete Orzag, respectively.

Summers mostly talked about promising avenues for new sources of taxation. Orzag's was about the ACA and early evidence for the impact it might be having.

Both talks were pretty good and informative. People just wanted to hear from their experience. They probably got paid a decent amount for it, but in context of the catering costs, the hotel space, and the number of attendees and fees, it was completely justifiable in the sense that it made the conference a lot better for a lot of people with a pretty reasonable per person cost.

So yeah, when I heard that Obama was going speak at a health care conference that seemed pretty natural.

IDK, 2017 is weird.
 

kirblar

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You know I see a lot of talk about why can't we have crowds the size of South Korea or Venezuela when they were rebeling against their government, but here's the climate change march size in DC today:

https://twitter.com/Peoples_Climate/status/858366705105547265
People who complain about not having crowds that size are complaining because they want to literally overthrow the government. It's a good sign they're not worth engaging seriously.
 
It's been pretty entertaining watching his magical negotiation powers get exposed. His idea of "negotiating" was to threaten smaller businesses to get what he wants, and they'd settle because it wasnt worth the trouble. As it turns out, whenever you're going up against someone who can actually defend themselves......doesnt work so well.
Pointed this out on OT, but Trump's supposed dealmaking accumen is pretty meaningless in the world of politics. He's never been in a situation where he's been forced to give something up - hiring a contractor was just mutually beneficial. He gets a building, the contractor gets paid.

Suddenly he's in a position where his decisions affect the lives of millions, and the people he needs to make deals with face reelection every 2-6 years. Politics is all give and take, it's rare you have a deal where each side walks away without losing anything. Wouldn't you know it, he's been caught completely flat-footed as a result.
 
Would be interesting to have the figures for the last 4 presidents' last 100 days as a comparison; show it up for the spin it is.

That's the real reflection of the effectiveness of a President. The numbers would literally flip since Bush tanked the Economy, Clinton left in a good place, and Obama fixed just about all the damage from the end of the Bush administration.
 

CygnusXS

will gain confidence one day
A notable thing with that image is that the other 3 presidents are smiling, while Trump looks like he's trying to push out a poop. Fox making choices.
 

kirblar

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Pointed this out on OT, but Trump's supposed dealmaking accumen is pretty meaningless in the world of politics. He's never been in a situation where he's been forced to give something up - hiring a contractor was just mutually beneficial. He gets a building, the contractor gets paid.

Suddenly he's in a position where his decisions affect the lives of millions, and the people he needs to make deals with face reelection every 2-6 years. Politics is all give and take, it's rare you have a deal where each side walks away without losing anything. Wouldn't you know it, he's been caught completely flat-footed as a result.
They didn't get paid. He wasn't a deal-maker, he was a con man.
 
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