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[UberTag]

It's not that unbelievable. I believed they were lying the whole time!

It would have been more unbelievable if they had said something actually truthful.

 

[Barrage]

The most important number for Dems to push isn't the 14 Million Uninsured,it's Premiums rising by 15 to 20 percent. That's the only thing that will affect the "Fuck You,Got Mine" consituency.

 

[Cesare Borgia]

It's like Rubio and McCain complaining about Tillerson, it's just to show you don't agree with something right before you vote for it.

I think you're overestimating the importance of things that largely don't matter (a president's cabinet choices) and comparing that to things that do matter (voting on a major healthcare law that impacts the lives of voters). No republican is going to lose their seat for voting for their president's Sec Of State....but plenty of republicans would lose their seat if they voted for this bill.

 

[Diablos]

14 MILLION.

 

[Emerson]

This bill is fucking dead now.

 

[sangreal]

The most important number for Dems to push isn't the 14 Million Uninsured,it's Premiums rising by 15 to 20 percent. That's the only thing that will affect the "Fuck You,Got Mine" consituency.

yeah, frankly few people with employer coverage care if the rest of the country gets fucked. They do care about rates increasing and coverage worsening though

ps -- end employer-based coverage (which happens to be a GOP position but whatever)

 

[Diablos]

Democrats better hammer away at the Republicans now with messaging against AHCA

 

[Rebel Leader]

The most important number for Dems to push isn't the 14 Million Uninsured,it's Premiums rising by 15 to 20 percent. That's the only thing that will affect the "Fuck You,Got Mine" consituency.

So the premiums would increase anyways? Hahahaha

 

[Emerson]

So the premiums would increase anyways? Hahahaha

Any plan that involves losing the individual mandate will involve a rise in other premiums to compensate.

 

[sangreal]

So the premiums would increase anyways? Hahahaha

this bill rewards healthy people for going without insurance

Literally, the longer you can go without insurance the more you benefit

Healthy people paying for sick people is how the insurance industry works. You don't want them to start charging based on their perceived likelihood that you (individually) will get sick like car or auto insurance.

 

[Outdoor Miner]

So basically we'll be back to where we were prior to Obamacare, except old people REALLY get fucked now.

 

[Pandora012]

Man I like how Rep Collins keeps talking about savings. Like yeah, ya saved money, buy ya know...peoples health

this bill rewards healthy people for going without insurance

Then fucks them over when they need it.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

I'm beating pots and pans here but this bill is a DIY depression in the making. Especially in rural areas where healthcare is biggest source of good paying jobs.

 

[BoogieWoogie]

Democrats better hammer away at the Republicans now with messaging against AHCA

Doing a pretty good job off the break:

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/841385431304425474

 

[Diablos]

Trump is going to downplay this as fake and I still think it passes the House. After that, who knows.

 

[sangreal]

Man I like how Rep Collins keeps talking about savings. Like yeah, ya saved money, buy ya know...peoples health



The fucks them over when they need it.

Heck you can save a lot more by ending medicaid and medicare entirely

 

[VendettaRed07]

Man I like how Rep Collins keeps talking about savings. Like yeah, ya saved money, buy ya know...peoples health

It's actually wrong too

This bill adds to our deficit

 

[Emerson]

Guys I know a great way to save tons of money let's just shut all this shit down and live in a fucking cave or something.

 

[Veritigo_X]

Did the CBO take down their report? The link isn't working anymore.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

I want them to pass this. Country needs to see first hand what GOP is selling.

 

[Plinko]

I want them to pass this. Country needs to see first hand what GOP is selling.

Not at the expense of the health care of Americans. People will literally die because of this.

 

[JP_]

Why is the link dead now? One thing I'm curious about -- it said premiums would rise, then fall back down? Due to some fund that they assume states would use to offset high cost consumers? Why the delay? That fund come into effect later or what?

It's actually wrong too

This bill adds to our deficit

Link seems to be dead but I thought it lowered the deficit overall, basically by kicking people off insurance.

 

[Rebel Leader]

It's actually wrong too

This bill adds to our deficit

By how much?

 

[sc0la]

CBO is my spirit animal. Get fycked Ryan.

Link seems to be dead but I thought it lowered the deficit overall, basically by kicking people off insurance.

Maybe vs the PPACA but any plan with even modest tax credits will increase the deficit over a full repeal (preACA) baseline.

 

[Pandora012]

It's actually wrong too

This bill adds to our deficit

Even if it didn't add to the deficit. 300 billion in savings over 10 years, is nothing.

 

[Wilsongt]

Those 24 mil people were forced to pay for insurance they didn't want on coverage they didn't need.

Just think of the money those people save each year not having to be afraid of eating a tax penalty!

 

[kess]

Guaranteed the Republicans rally against the CBO and try to rally the troops just spite this report

 

[sc0la]

Even if it didn't add to the deficit. 300 billion in savings over 10 years, is nothing.

and it needs to be offset against increasing premiums a less insured less healthy populace will incur IMO. I don't know if this report does that.

 

[VendettaRed07]

By how much?

Not sure, but the plans projections of how much it saves pretends like the 14-20m will not be kicked off of healthcare and continue paying into the system. The cuts made here in practice absolutely will not save the money they believe it will. The block grants and subsidies for high risk pools are also not nearly enough for them to remain even remotely stable.

 

[JP_]

Here's the bit on the deficit:

Effects on the Federal Budget
CBO and JCT estimate that enacting the legislation would reduce federal deficits by
$337 billion over the 2017-2026 period. That total consists of $323 billion in on-budget
savings and $13 billion in off-budget savings. Outlays would be reduced by $1.2 trillion
over the period, and revenues would be reduced by $0.9 trillion.

The largest savings would come from reductions in outlays for Medicaid and from the
elimination of the Affordable Care Act's (ACA's) subsidies for nongroup health insurance.
The largest costs would come from repealing many of the changes the ACA made to the
Internal Revenue Code—including an increase in the Hospital Insurance payroll tax rate
for high-income taxpayers, a surtax on those taxpayers' net investment income, and annual
fees imposed on health insurers—and from the establishment of a new tax credit for health
insurance.

Pay-as-you-go procedures apply because enacting the legislation would affect direct
spending and revenues. CBO and JCT estimate that enacting the legislation would not
increase net direct spending or on-budget deficits by more than $5 billion in any of the four
consecutive 10-year periods beginning in 2027.

It lowers the deficit by kicking people off medicaid and reducing subsides for the exchanges. Not sure what you guys are looking at.

CBO is my spirit animal. Get fycked Ryan.


Maybe vs the PPACA but any plan with even modest tax credits will increase the deficit over a full repeal (preACA) baseline.

...but ACA reduced the deficit

 

[sc0la]

Here's the bit on the deficit:


It lowers the deficit by kicking people off medicaid and reducing subsides for the exchanges. Not sure what you guys are looking at.



...but ACA reduced the deficit

Did it? My memory is probably wrong then apologies

 

[CygnusXS]

This fucking guy

Paul Ryan‏
@SpeakerRyan

CBO report confirms it → American Health Care Act will lower premiums & improve access to quality, affordable care.

 

[Got the Shakes]

Paul Ryan really wants to die on this hill.

https://twitter.com/SpeakerRyan/status/841388103529058304

Edit: Beaten

 

[Y2Kev]

Agreed. Poors bye basically.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

Sometimes I really wish I was back in CS so I could make a "punch Paul Ryan over and over again" simulator.

 

[Rebel Leader]

This fucking guy

No it doesn't

 

[Veritigo_X]

Sometimes I really wish I was back in CS so I could make a "punch Paul Ryan over and over again" simulator.

Yo, this would be awesome with the Vive.

*cancels weekend plans*

 

[Wilsongt]

This fucking guy

*If you're already rich and live in an urban area with access to a clinic.

 

[sc0la]

Sometimes I really wish I was back in CS so I could make a "punch Paul Ryan over and over again" simulator.

I think you just make a generic "punch-a-nazi" app and sell faces as DLC or let people upload their own.

 

[teiresias]

I mean, Trump's own increase in military funding of $54 Billion wipes out any deficit savings, so the easy peesy spin on that for the dems is that Trump is trading American lives for the war machine.

 

[Jooney]

This fucking guy

the word 'access' is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that tweet.

 

[Pandora012]

This fucking guy

Like how can this guy sleep at night? He has to know that this plan will bankrupt people or just outright kill them.

the word 'access' is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that tweet.

Thank you for the access to the care that I can not afford....

 

[Apathy]

So they've just been lying this whole time...unbelievable.

Really? I'd say it's really believable, almost like they have been since before he got into office

 

[metalslimer]

Lol the white house says they are wrong and more people will be insured

 

[JP_]

I mean, Trump's own increase in military funding of $54 Billion wipes out any deficit savings, so the easy peesy spin on that for the dems is that Trump is trading American lives for the war machine.

Even ignoring the military, this bill alone basically cuts 1.2 trillion from spending on people's health so they can give a 0.9 trillion tax break to rich people and health insurance execs.

 

[Jooney]

Congressional Budget Office

or

Cucks for Barack Obama

?

 

[B-Dubs]

Congressional Budget Office

or

Cucks for Barack Obama

?

Yes.

 

[Hindl]

Like how can this guy sleep at night? He has to know that this plan will bankrupt people or just outright kill them.



Thank you for the access to the care that I can not afford....

That's how he gets off

 

[teiresias]

Even ignoring the military, this bill alone basically cuts 1.2 trillion from spending on people's health so they can give a 0.9 trillion tax break to rich people and health insurance execs.

Yeah, but the American public doesn't understand taxes worth a damn, so I figured the whole "killing people to pay for war guns" is just easier to get across.

 

[Pandora012]

Now the health secretary says that we will go back to pre-Obama era. Like that is a good thing....