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PoliGAF 2017 |OT2| Well, maybe McMaster isn't a traitor.
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nintendoman58
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This line of thinking really needs to stop. People cannot expect anything good to happen when their mindset is thinking that the current reality is this nebulous force that cancels out all good things. The real reality is, you don't know what's going to happen.
Dominican Power
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CrimzonSamurai
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A-fucking-men. Destiny or this timeline meme are both bullshit. Physical reality has no political bias. You must thrust your will upon it and bend it to your service.
ShadowSwordmaster
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We need more lols for this.
nintendoman58
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Exactly. I can't count how many times my anger must have reached a boiling point whenever I see people who type these kinds of posts out.
I mean, for crying out loud, these people are supposed to be the good guys on our side. Don't get sad, get active! Your "liberal tears" and wallowing in defeat are LITERALLY what the right wants from the left!
If you want hope. Look at the people on the left who are organized and active, and mimic that behavior.
I'd like to know if any of the people that peddle that defeatist BS are old enough to even remember another GOP administration.
I've finally found a good metaphor for my personal experience with the Trump admin.
It's like being stuck in an old, super rickety wooden roller-coaster. I'm cramped, my knees are getting bruised, I'm not strapped in safely, every time we hit a sharp turn I'm afraid I'm going to fall out and the whole thing feels like it's about to collapse. And I'm trapped in 4 years of endless looping and I'm not sure it's going to hold up that long.
It's like being stuck in an old, super rickety wooden roller-coaster. I'm cramped, my knees are getting bruised, I'm not strapped in safely, every time we hit a sharp turn I'm afraid I'm going to fall out and the whole thing feels like it's about to collapse. And I'm trapped in 4 years of endless looping and I'm not sure it's going to hold up that long.
The way I like to explain it to people is, it's like I'm in a country, and the country is run by white supremacists, and I'm afraid they might kill me and my infant daughter.
"HHS Secretary Price says Trump administration disagrees "strenuously" with report by CBO whose director he appointed"
Is this another, "well that's what he said" moment from Price? Why doesn't this quote say Price disagrees with it? Let him throw his hand-picked CBO under the bus himself
On a related note, the Republican politicization of the CBO is truly sad to see
ShadowSwordmaster
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This is what they're are doing for a lot of things now.
But if you had to put it in metaphor form
I SAID "it's like"
It seems to me that people who don't like calling it Trumpcare want to tie it to the GOP in general so that they can't run away from it and say THIS WAS WHAT TRUMP WANTED, NOT US when/if they break from him during the midterms.
Right, and they've been doing it to the CBO specifically for a decade now but it's still sad. I see why they have to do it -- even with dynamic scoring, the CBO will never find republican proposals realistic, because they're not
FloydtheFathead
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That's a simile then..
That's a simile my friend.
CrimzonSamurai
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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I mean, 90% of Republican voters like Trump and Republicans in Congress are voting with Trump 97% of the time so Trump is the whole party at this point.
Hard to run away from your president when he's supported so overwhelmingly by your party.
Bonen no Max'd
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So uh this might be a problem?
Maybe we should stop trying to push against it and instead just try to run on automatic voter registration and mailing people their voter ID when they are registered.
77% of nonwhites support voter ID?
Maybe we should stop trying to push against it and instead just try to run on automatic voter registration and mailing people their voter ID when they are registered.
Photo ID is a reasonable policy on its face. The devil is in the details for the GOP laws: which kind of ID and how easy is it to get one, which is where the racial targeting comes in.
It's just a good idea to have an ID in this day and age anyway. The governments should find those who lack one and provide them with one. Solves the problem and the marginalized people without photo IDs can get them.
The good news out of that is the strong support for early voting.
SIMILES ARE METAPHORS IN TRUMP'S AMERICA
No, actually I just never remember the difference.
To add actual content, the quote from John Cornyn that's being shorted as "CBO has been wrong before" is actually much less positive on the bill than that.
http://ijr.com/2017/03/823936-republicans-plenty-reasons-doubt-cbo-score-obamacare-replacement/
If the Senate Majority Whip is saying they need to work on the bill, it's hard to see how it could pass.
No, actually I just never remember the difference.
To add actual content, the quote from John Cornyn that's being shorted as "CBO has been wrong before" is actually much less positive on the bill than that.
ijr said:
http://ijr.com/2017/03/823936-republicans-plenty-reasons-doubt-cbo-score-obamacare-replacement/
If the Senate Majority Whip is saying they need to work on the bill, it's hard to see how it could pass.
UberTag
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That's probably what's needed for them to actually think for once and see the Republicans for what they are.
smokeandmirrors
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this is the only way i support voter id. If it needs to happen it needs to be free, automatic, and as painless as possible.
Bonen no Max'd
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Right, I get all of that. It just seems like it will be a losing battle when the people it targets are almost as likely to support it.
Yeah I mean this what I'm saying we should do, instead of pushing against something that's popular just do the easy fix that makes it not racist. Obviously the GOP won't support it though.
people support voter ID because it makes sense on a basic level.
They're too insular to see the problems with it. The common refrain, even on neogaf is "everything else requires ID anyway" which simply isn't true, but people who have ID think it is
They also don't understand the distinction between "Voter ID" -- which almost every state requires either during registration or voting -- with the strict photo ID requirements that the "Voter ID" debate refers to.
I'm not convinced these problems can't be reconciled with better messaging other than "it hurts minorities". People hear that and just take from it that democrats want illegal aliens to vote
It hurts old people more than anyone, and is strongly against republican/libertarian ideals. Ask the same people if they support national ID cards and the database that goes along with that
What if you don't have a fixed address
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thepotatoman
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Also vote by mail and make election day a holiday.
Abinash117
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So much for Trump trying to court some of the GOP to vote or this.
Bonen no Max'd
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Can you register without a fixed address as things stand right now?
Yeah these are good too. We need more holidays anyways.
whyamihere
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If everyone was given a free ID card they could use for voting, it wouldn't be a problem.
It would need to be free to replace as well as free to receive, so unlimited.
whyamihere
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Yes, just all around free.
Carpe Libertatem
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Making election day a holiday wouldn't help the vast majority of people since they wouldn't be getting off work either way.
Still should probably be a holiday, though
Bonen no Max'd
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I thought this was assumed to be part of the policy, like every time you register you'd get one and you could go get them replaced if necessary.
I'm aware of this argument that it makes the voting group more representative of the middle class instead of the working class, but I think making it easier to vote is good and at the very least, the wealthier voting while the people who don't get a day off aren't working at least frees up space when those people get off work.
It's generally not assumed. You're expected to get ID yourself, and you can't register without possessing ID. That's what voter ID means!
Bonen no Max'd
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Right, I'm just saying that if voter IDs are popular we should just run on making them free and easy to access, either by mailing them or making them free for replacement. Was that not clear?
Dominican Power
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You need to make all the supporting documentation free too. I don't think any state with "Free" voter ID does that
and even if it were free, you still have the time investment required and you're fighting against the conveniently reduced hours in poor areas
As Republicans love to say when it comes to protesting -- some people have day jobs and don't have time for that shit
He never cared about any of this and had no desire to look into it. Can apply to almost all policy decisions.
That about sums up Trump, yeah. The only policy positions he ever truly held were build that wall and ban muslims. Has zero interest in any other policy matters and just wants to be popular
Worse than that he has no real experts around him to explain the details. He's just surrounded by a bunch of conservative crackpots telling him how trickle down works.
Arrogant Bastard
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Jeffry Lord is such a piece of shit, I'm so tired of this bullshit.
Mobius and pet octopus
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This dumbass just said the guy who said the babies comment is fringe republican because he followed the birtherism movement... while trump touted that shit for years....
davepoobond
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This Bernie sanders townhall is way better than the last one he did with Chris Hayes.
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