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PoliGAF 2017 |OT2| Well, maybe McMaster isn't a traitor.
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W...T...F Rachel?
My entire twitter feed was on fire over this. I've never seen this much anticipation for a news segment.
If she has nothing to show, the backlash against her will be MASSIVE. She HAS to know that.
Why screw yourself like this? Why screw your reputation like this?
My entire twitter feed was on fire over this. I've never seen this much anticipation for a news segment.
If she has nothing to show, the backlash against her will be MASSIVE. She HAS to know that.
Why screw yourself like this? Why screw your reputation like this?
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
GOAT lol
I'm honestly not getting this. She had exactly what she said she had. Is it the vagueness of her tweet?
metalslimer
Member
OH MY GOD
How is this account always on point?\
The dumb countdown and O'Donnelll chiming in saying this was the night we were waiting for makes it worse. I'm not sure if Rachel was the one that pushed for that, but she wouldn't be getting nearly as much flack if she hadn't tried to build excitement. Or if she had said I have his 2005 returns in the oriinal tweet.
Come on man. You know what this meant to a lot of people. It's implied if she had taxes it would implicate Trump in something.
If this is essentially nothing. Why talk about it?
benjipwns
Banned
She had two pages of a tax return by a
My parents tax return is like four pages or something.
whyamihere
Banned
Yeah, she definitely overplayed her hand here. This was a bad idea.
She knows no one gives a shit about his taxes unless they show criminal wrongdoing or are irreversibly damaging. No one gives a shit about these taxes.
Officerrob
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The entire narrative is speculating on tax paperwork she doesn't actually have. The story will be Trump made a shit ton of money, and paid over 30 million in taxes. To top it off, he gets the added bonus of slamming the media for a witch hunt. This is nothing but a massive win for Trump
Take 30 seconds and go look at twitter.
She may not have a smoking gun, but she was DEFINITELY misleading about what she had.
I don't award Republicans this level of benefit of the doubt, I won't do it for my own side either.
Rachel knew what she was doing hyping this up. She knew what the reaction would be to "We have Trump's taxes." She's not a fucking idiot.
She showed us a document that showed Trump paid far more in taxes than most, including his supporters, probably expected and that he made 150m in income.
She literally did nothing but help him.
So is Maddow trying to make MSNBC even more irrelevant than it already is outside of Morning Blo--er, Joe?
Because she has definitely succeeded.
MSNBC is a shell of its former self to say the least. Joe and Mika in the AM, and then much much later Chris Matthews just screaming into the camera like a blithering idiot. Everything else is fluff
Because she has definitely succeeded.
MSNBC is a shell of its former self to say the least. Joe and Mika in the AM, and then much much later Chris Matthews just screaming into the camera like a blithering idiot. Everything else is fluff
benjipwns
Banned
no, that sounds about the same as the last two decades
Carpe Libertatem
Member
But how long is your tax return, benji? Or did you just accidentally drop the bomb that you don't pay taxes? What are you hiding?
Just asking questions here.
nature boy
Member
She's grasping at straws.
Hellwarden
Member
Well that was pretty disappointing.
Officerrob
Banned
Spending an entire hour talking about how Trump paid over thirty million in taxes over a decade ago, this is embarrassing
Nah man. You don't run a story like this that is basically nothing. No one is sticking around for speculation.
UberTag
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Unless they leaked it themselves and were posturing in brazen fashion to put up a front that they weren't the ones that leaked it.
Nah man. They had that response ready too damn fast lol.
The Technomancer
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Damnit Maddow
That would require them to be competent, insidious, and good at concealing information they want to keep secret.
People really want to believe that we didn't lose to a pile of incompetent racists, but we did.
It honestly would not have been so bad if she didn't spend the first 20 minutes with the narrative build up. I understand that's how she handles her show, but it was a lot of dots to connect to tax returns, to them show the only one you have that doesn't actually show anything.
Ziltoidia 9
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I venture to say they didn't freak out, they got to say he was a successful business man who makes a lot AND got to say he pays a lot in taxes.
No leaker would leak only 2 pages, this is basically Trump doing it.
Judging by the fact this is a consumer copy of the return, I think this was leaked on purpose on Trumps side as a distraction. Although Maddow did not help by her initial tweet, I actually blame Lawrence O'Donnell and whoever is in charge editorial wise at MSNBC in pontificating the nature of the leak with that stupid ticker. Still consider me even more tempered on any 'breaking news' from Maddow, I say this as someone that loves watching her show, her show has been more about putting context of current stories using facts. The only legitimate thing I remember that was breaking news that actually has some legitimate effect was the DHS stuff from a couple weeks ago but few people picked up on that or cared.
UberTag
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There's a middle ground between "competent, insidious and good at concealing information" and "pile of incompetent racists" that's probably closer to reality than either extreme. I have no won-loss stake in this equation because I'm not American. I have no horse in this race.
SquashMatch
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MSNBC destroyed their credibility by hyping this. Trump comes out smelling like Roses
Considering how the race looked before Comey got involved, we definitely lost to a bunch of incompetent racists who got lucky.
Joe Shlabotnik
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The other explanation is that a whistleblower risked their career and freedom to leak two completely unremarkable pages from the president's tax returns.
TheAbsolution
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That was a huge misstep, sigh.
UberTag
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Gallup approval rating will jump up over 50. Rasmussen approval rating will jump up over 60.
They'll be partying it up in Mar-a-Lago with the spring breakers this weekend.
metalslimer
Member
Yep, it's one thing to partake in speculation when you are connecting the dots to something and say something needs more investigation. Speculating about stuff you clearly don't have the evidence for after hyping this up as a reveal was stupid. I don't know how she expected this to go to be honest.
excelsiorlef
Member
Well fuck
That totally makes sense. Let's say it were you or me, would either of us leak these returns? If you have access to the returns why leak these? Why not something more recent?
mightynine
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After the fact, it was clear that this didn't warrant -
The clickbait-y tweet
A countdown clock
Or a full hour
Once you're bringing in the staff presidential historian for a phone interview, you're desperately trying to fill.
O'Donnell's on there saying this wouldn't be breaking news if not for the fact Trump hasn't released his, which is somewhat true. The problem is that what you have doesn't really tell you much of anything out of context, except perhaps Trump would benefit by getting rid of the AMT - but, shit, what conservative hasn't run on fewer taxes?
benjipwns
Banned
that were stamped with "CLIENT COPY"
Carpe Libertatem
Member
Scalia Avatar may have been right about Trump masterfully playing the media after all
I'm now 100% convinced that Comey's reveal will be nothing, and this was all calculated.
I'm going to bed. What good is journalistic integrity if people are just waiting for the most convenient moment to cash it in?
If Maddow was falsely led to believe she had something, she should have canceled the story when she realized she had nothing. Her nervous expression on Lawrence O'Donnell right now...she knows she fucked up. Lawrence knows it too, but they're all going down with the ship.
I'm going to bed. What good is journalistic integrity if people are just waiting for the most convenient moment to cash it in?
If Maddow was falsely led to believe she had something, she should have canceled the story when she realized she had nothing. Her nervous expression on Lawrence O'Donnell right now...she knows she fucked up. Lawrence knows it too, but they're all going down with the ship.
Ziltoidia 9
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Top story on Hannity was "NBC's Jihad Against Trump."
Good job.
Confirmation bias all over the right tonight.
Good job.
Confirmation bias all over the right tonight.
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