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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair
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cartoon_soldier
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Ah yes, that is also possible. Paul votes yes on MTP and Murkowski votes No.
Cesare Borgia
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I could see a MTP vote working, but I see no indication that a healthcare bill can be passed right now.
um not to take away from the gravity of the threat of tens of millions of people potentially losing their health insurance later today but...there is still the matter of my new tag that needs to be addressed
just throwing that out there
no rush or anything
just throwing that out there
no rush or anything
Not enough laughing gifs on the internet 😂😂😂
Even he is smart enough to know that going for Rosenstein directly is a bad look. Pointless, though, since he's made it clear that the fundamental reason he wants Sessions out is to get direct influence over the Russian investigation.
balladofwindfishes
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They literally couldn't even hold the vote without McCain after they gave up on Collins and Murkowski.
Stop overthinking everything
cartoon_soldier
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http://www.businessinsider.in/Liber...ir-hamburger-problem/articleshow/59640802.cms
It's an interesting take. Don't agree with it 100%. Do agree with it at some level. Liberals won the cultural wars, no need to take it too far. More importantly, no need to make people feel that simple things they like to do is bad for you/earth/children/atmosphere.
It's an interesting take. Don't agree with it 100%. Do agree with it at some level. Liberals won the cultural wars, no need to take it too far. More importantly, no need to make people feel that simple things they like to do is bad for you/earth/children/atmosphere.
benicillin
Banned
Every once in a while I like to go look at fake rogue account Twitter and feel sad anyone actually bought it but I'd totally actually believe it's a propaganda account now since all they do is dunk on Pelosi and other democrats for trying to stop healthcare instead of focusing on Russia. It's almost like it's part of an agenda or something...
Figured it was Josh Barro. He whined about this the other day on Left, Right and Center.
I'd take his criticisms more seriously if Republicans didn't busybody a thousand times more (and want to enshrine their shit into actual law) and people still have no problem voting for them.
benicillin
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Republicans literally want to legislate what bathroom you use so I don't really buy Democrats being the ones who invade people's personal decisions too much.
How far down do you think Trump would have to go before he found someone willing to fire Mueller? He's barely filled out most of the positions, right?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O32beFah-00
I am sure Hillary is playing this song on repeat over and over and over again
I am sure Hillary is playing this song on repeat over and over and over again
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
After lunch is what the latest estimate was.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
So great that John McCain is coming back to vote. Brave - American hero! Thank you John.
6:44 AM · Jul 25, 2017
Such a brave, American hero for voting on a bill that will literally kill Americans.
I better hope I don't end up in the ER again with problems with my heart. It's now a pre-existing condition and I am sure Trump Fuckboy Henry McMaster will allow SC to opt out of the pre-existing condition clause
So great that John McCain is coming back to vote. Brave - American hero! Thank you John.
6:44 AM · Jul 25, 2017
Such a brave, American hero for voting on a bill that will literally kill Americans.
I better hope I don't end up in the ER again with problems with my heart. It's now a pre-existing condition and I am sure Trump Fuckboy Henry McMaster will allow SC to opt out of the pre-existing condition clause
cartoon_soldier
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I think GOP has largely withdrawn from cultural wars. They haven't withdrawn from identity politics.
Let's remember, NC voted out Republican Governor over this in a state Trump won. The question is, whether people are also fine with being told that saying "Ladies & Gentlemen" is wrong, whether
I thought he didn't like people who get captured....
If those things are indeed bad, there is most definitely a need to say so.
Imma stop you right there.
Never.
I mean ffs, we're having this discussion in context of Trump wanting to fire Mueller.
Wanda/Wander
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I refuse to believe that this is Kushner's real voice...
Nomadic Sparks
Banned
Will this bill pass?
Finale Fireworker
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I think there's definitely something to liberals "getting triggered" over stupid stuff. Stuff that normal people that don't think about politics 24/7 take for granted and get super annoyed when they have to defend themselves on it.
Every positive ideology suffers from this. Veganism is plagued by the attention-seeking "I'm a vegan" stereotype. Feminism is plagued by the uppity man-hating stereotype that seeks offense at every opportunity. Environmentalism struggled with the "tree-hugging hippie" stereotype for decades. The issue we're facing now is liberals, or more accurately, many progressives falsely conflated as "liberals", are dealing with the extremist issue.
Because a normal apolitical person thinking "liberals" care how many children you have or where you buy your sushi is as accurate as somebody thinking Americans clap after eating. Maybe it was Tumblr or maybe it's high-profile instances in the news, but now people hate how liberals get "triggered" or "need a safe space" over every little thing.
And, like, those were our words. Those were things we made up and propagated on social media and most people thought we were extremely stupid. The self-fulfilling "libtard" prophecy.
I don't really have a point to make about that. Just sort of thinking out loud. I have no idea how much it influences voters. But if both parties are defined by their extremists, regardless of how many of them there are, I think you could argue that its the representatives responsibility to moderate that image. Republicans embraced their insanity and are now run by extremist sycophants. Democrats don't really talk to their extremists, or cater to them, or acknowledge them. They let them be and they don't really come up.
Again: I am not able to draw any conclusion from this. But I think it's worth talking about. People hate being preached to, and if people think SuperWhoLock_Lov3r's beliefs are everything Democrats stand for, I can see apolitical voters rolling their eyes more often than being inspired.
Every positive ideology suffers from this. Veganism is plagued by the attention-seeking "I'm a vegan" stereotype. Feminism is plagued by the uppity man-hating stereotype that seeks offense at every opportunity. Environmentalism struggled with the "tree-hugging hippie" stereotype for decades. The issue we're facing now is liberals, or more accurately, many progressives falsely conflated as "liberals", are dealing with the extremist issue.
Because a normal apolitical person thinking "liberals" care how many children you have or where you buy your sushi is as accurate as somebody thinking Americans clap after eating. Maybe it was Tumblr or maybe it's high-profile instances in the news, but now people hate how liberals get "triggered" or "need a safe space" over every little thing.
And, like, those were our words. Those were things we made up and propagated on social media and most people thought we were extremely stupid. The self-fulfilling "libtard" prophecy.
I don't really have a point to make about that. Just sort of thinking out loud. I have no idea how much it influences voters. But if both parties are defined by their extremists, regardless of how many of them there are, I think you could argue that its the representatives responsibility to moderate that image. Republicans embraced their insanity and are now run by extremist sycophants. Democrats don't really talk to their extremists, or cater to them, or acknowledge them. They let them be and they don't really come up.
Again: I am not able to draw any conclusion from this. But I think it's worth talking about. People hate being preached to, and if people think SuperWhoLock_Lov3r's beliefs are everything Democrats stand for, I can see apolitical voters rolling their eyes more often than being inspired.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I want to post this for the people who keep saying, "The Senate will just re-hire Mueller":
The Senate needs to agree to do it. This is the same Senate that is fighting desperately to pass an incredibly unpopular health care vote. The same Senate that is bending over backwards to stay on Trump's good side, avoiding saying anything negative about him. The same Senate who is constantly "troubled" yet supports him endlessly.
I don't trust them to re-hire Mueller. Him firing Sessions and appointing someone who will could result in a disaster for this country. The investigation would be effectively dead. The IC would have to take it upon themselves to do the work under direct orders to stop. At that point, the only hope would be the NY Attorney General filing state charges.
The Senate needs to agree to do it. This is the same Senate that is fighting desperately to pass an incredibly unpopular health care vote. The same Senate that is bending over backwards to stay on Trump's good side, avoiding saying anything negative about him. The same Senate who is constantly "troubled" yet supports him endlessly.
I don't trust them to re-hire Mueller. Him firing Sessions and appointing someone who will could result in a disaster for this country. The investigation would be effectively dead. The IC would have to take it upon themselves to do the work under direct orders to stop. At that point, the only hope would be the NY Attorney General filing state charges.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
His statement of innocent sounded like someone running for class president.
Poodlestrike
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I didn't know you were a Tingle fan.
balladofwindfishes
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The senate also doesn't want to have to deal with this and politicians don't want to have to answer constant questions about it. Mueller provided an easy out for them to defer all questions and make it so they didn't have to do any work or get messy doing it.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I agree to an extent, but many of these Senators are running again soon. Do you think Trump publicly attacking them repeatedly is something they want to deal with during their campaign? Most likely, they go along with his wishes so he leaves them alone. The press asking them questions isn't generally going to hurt them in their districts, especially with a voter base that hates the press.
tl;dr version: Article says Dems should drop "identity politics"
Tingle doesn't have muscles.
Poodlestrike
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nature boy
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If he fires Bobby Three Sticks, I cannot begin to imagine the oppoium that would come out, based on what we already know.
It would eventually become politically unsustainable to pretend nothing happened.
balladofwindfishes
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nature boy
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Sounds like a nice person
If everyone votes yes besides them they will have enough for MTP.
balladofwindfishes
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They think they have enough to not tie, which means they believe they converted one of them
They think they may.
They're voting on whether or not to debate healthcare.
I already know the answer to this, but just to torture myself with the question: why would McCain release a statement saying the GOP needs to work with the Dems on a bipartisan healthcare bill then, days later, return to vote yes on MTP with the Republican healthcare bill that everyone hates?
balladofwindfishes
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No, they're not. They're voting to move onto debate and amendments. Not the bill itself.
Which is ridiculous. The best case scenario for them at this point is a tie. And even that's asking a lot (100% of non-Murkowski/Collins need to vote yes)
Because McCain has no positions at all and just does whatever everyone else is doing
Collins and Murkowski voting no would still mean 50 votes in favor.
touche
Maybe they think they got Murkowski. It isn't impossible.
Nomadic Sparks
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Plz explain this a little further
balladofwindfishes
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We know they gave up on her yesterday.
They wouldn't need McCain back if she was willing to vote yes
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