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He wants a legacy celebrated by both sides of congress, its just that, a PR thing.
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He wants a legacy celebrated by both sides of congress, its just that, a PR thing.
To be fair to them, Blue Dogs weren't the issue w/ the ACA aside from the Stupak Amendment, they passed the public option. The big problems were in the Senate and were people like Nelson, Baucus, Lieberman, etc.
Spoiled Milk
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Owned by Makai.
Still all white men with two of them from the South.
And that's not ignoring the fact that the Blue Dogs, for voting to keep the public option, were thanked for their services by being decimated in 2010 due to, once again, white voters thinking out of control spending was caused "welfare queens"
Maybe the economic progressives can make more headway, if they don't chase the fickle white worker vote and focus their message towards people who already vote Democratic and excite them the fuck up. After all, you really think civil rights activists and feminists are thinking "Yeah, I'm making less on average than a white male, but fuck it. Go capitalism! LOL!"?
or put more simply: he's not running for re-election
I always side with Tracer Tong at the end of Deus Ex
Stalin-era deportations were very material, moving different ethnic groups throughout the Soviet empire to facilitate easier control and resource production. In Central Asia, tribal divisions were exploited to prevent a mass popular movement against popular control, while cultural characteristics that unified Central Asians (like Islam and Turkic languages) were smoothed over through deliberate policies of secularization and Russification.
It's very possible that the world's wealthiest people will become effectively immortal and immune to disease. I doubt that these medical luxuries will be available to the rest of us.
I think you should remove 'economic' from the driving motivations behind the subjugation of 'other peoples'.
China having the long history it has, shows that capitalism isn't the motivating force behind everything. Prior to the ascent of Qin, the other kingdoms called them barbarians, chiefly Chu, because Chu had a long history and rich culture, so they considered Qin people uncultured swine. It was not a discrimination motivated by capitalism; after all, the most prosperous and powerful kingdom at the time was Chu.
When the Manchu took over and established the Qing dynasty, forcing all of the people to adhere to Manchu customs, such as the way of dress and hairstyles, was not motivated by capitalism, it was motivated by political power enforcing a top-down cultural change to society to stamp out rebellion in any shape or form.
Looking at the world through 'capitalism' and 'socialism' ascribes a very modern and narrow lens to the complexities of human nature throughout history.
China having the long history it has, shows that capitalism isn't the motivating force behind everything. Prior to the ascent of Qin, the other kingdoms called them barbarians, chiefly Chu, because Chu had a long history and rich culture, so they considered Qin people uncultured swine. It was not a discrimination motivated by capitalism; after all, the most prosperous and powerful kingdom at the time was Chu.
When the Manchu took over and established the Qing dynasty, forcing all of the people to adhere to Manchu customs, such as the way of dress and hairstyles, was not motivated by capitalism, it was motivated by political power enforcing a top-down cultural change to society to stamp out rebellion in any shape or form.
Looking at the world through 'capitalism' and 'socialism' ascribes a very modern and narrow lens to the complexities of human nature throughout history.
ArkhamFantasy
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So is taking pictures of your junk and sending it to women considered locker room talk at fox news?
I'll never understand this phenomenon, for gods sakes buy them flowers or something.
I'll never understand this phenomenon, for gods sakes buy them flowers or something.
All of that is true, but again, we're talking about what happened in the context of America. Of course ethnic tensions in China aren't going to have to do with white supremacy.
It's true that xenophobia, hatred of the other, etc exist and have existed across history for a variety of reasons. At the same time it is also true that $$$ was a driving force in American history.
The Technomancer
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Sure but, and I'm diving into this a bit because this is a thing that has been on my mind lately, I do think you can claim that things like wealth inequality and imperialism might have been much less of an issue in hypothetical alternate histories where the dominant economic forms were socialism, or syndicalism, or other non-capitalist means of organization, but I don't think you can quite make the same argument for white supremacy and honestly I'm also unsure about global warming. An oil industry that was controlled by its workers instead of by its owners would still be very invested in all of their jobs not suddenly becoming obsolete; we're seeing worker level resistance to this sort of thing right now
Feminists and civil rights activists have been saying that the system is rigged towards the rich for DECADES now. They point out that it actively works against the interest of the common white male worker as well.
And after all this time, the wwc STILL haven't listened really. For their thanks, the social activists are called man-haters or reverse racists.
Like EVERYONE ELSE in the damn country knows this blatantly obvious flaw but them. We all grew up on the same patch of dirt, embraced the same culture, yet still only the wwc is the ones who still aren't getting it.
So either the only reason they're not on board is because they're either completely STUPID or something much more malicious that you can't just ignore if you want to win and keep some form of dignity.
Or, since the guy is married, he could be faithful to his wife. lol
And after all this time, the wwc STILL haven't listened really. For their thanks, the social activists are called man-haters or reverse racists.
Like EVERYONE ELSE in the damn country knows this blatantly obvious flaw but them. We all grew up on the same patch of dirt, embraced the same culture, yet still only the wwc is the ones who still aren't getting it.
So either the only reason they're not on board is because they're either completely STUPID or something much more malicious that you can't just ignore if you want to win and keep some form of dignity.
Or, since the guy is married, he could be faithful to his wife. lol
GoldenEye 007
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Whiteness as a construct exists primarily because of the particular historical circumstances that arose surrounding the conquest of the New World. That wasn't purely capitalistic, of course, but it's also harder for me to see how people of European descent who never cared much for each other come to embrace a singular racial identity without the motivations that did lead to it. It's totally plausible that there could have been some other chauvinistic thing that would've popped up, but then we'd have to analyze how that thing is upheld by social and economic factors, which would be different than those upholding white supremacy.
As for global warming, I agree with that - state central planning obviously had an obsession with factories as part of its drive towards modernization, which they needed. It was going to happen either way. But its easier to transition away when you don't have giant energy companies who want to cling to their profits funding fake science to confuse undereducated people (thanks to other capitalists who hate taxes) into making them think they need those fossil fuel jobs or else, or a capitalist culture that promotes the job cult. A lot of the continuing plummit into global temperature hell is directly tied to capitalism.
ArkhamFantasy
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Is he seriously trying to sell his golf resort trip as a temporary work space? God damn.
Working on that long put, it's fine.
Problem is his supporters won't even question it.
Autodidact
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Rohrabacher mini-bomb for Saturday?
His supporters buy this hook, line, and sinker. I've tried debating with them and they say his golfing trips aren't like Obama's or Clinton's or Bush's, because they just relaxed and did nothing the entire time. The Donald doesn't know the meaning of the word relax and is making calls while he's sinking hole-in-ones.
I don't think global warming would be anywhere near as much of a problem under socialism. Workers struggling to keep their jobs are much less dangerous than market forces encouraging energy companies to produce as cheaply as possible without regard for environmental sustainability.
Transitioning toward green energy in that kind of a system would also be way, way easier.
I think it's the industrialization hump that would cause the problem but once over that it would be far simpler.
Spoiled Milk
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I think it's harder to transition to socialism while also combating climate change. Forcing people to give up energy abundance exacerbates material differences between people. That makes people more keenly aware of scarcity. ...So it either makes transitioning to socialism easier or harder.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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You all ruined my perfectly good attempt to bait spaghnum a few pages ago. Screw you guys.
Lol. I am sure Mueller has his eye on Stone, also
It will soon be his time in the barrell.
The Technomancer
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I mean it also depends on how you define socialism. I will admit that most of my clashes lately have been with anarcho socialists in particular
ShadowSwordmaster
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Eric Bolling is suspended from Fox News.
I don't deign to respond to those barbaroi who refuse to admit that the Basileia ton Rhomaion is the legitimate continuing civilization of the Caesars, chosen by God to rule the world both spiritually and temporally, until Christ returns.
But i thought it was just locker room talk? 🤔
neurosisxeno
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This particular Locker Room is in the Unemployment Office.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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The opulent, feminine dogs of the East know not the glory of standing in the Campus Martius, Gallic slaves enchained and bowing before the Princeps, and feeling the axis of the Mediterranean turn around them.
How compares the glory of men to the glory of worshipping in the Hagia Sophia? You must cleanse yourself of these pagan desires and accept the truth borne on the cross, under which the emperors rule not merely as men but as representatives of God.
CrimzonSamurai
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Who's Rorhabacher, again? Lol
House GOP member paid by Russia to try and get the sanctions lifted.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Speak you of the glory of but one god to we, conquerors of the world, who have the blessings and grace of the gods of a thousand peoples?
Had the sacred chickens not disdained to eat this morning, war would be had between us this day, woman-men of the East.
JesseEwiak
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It's kind of amazing looking at Bill Kirstol's Twitter feed. If you took the name off, aside from a few Tweets, it's indistinguishable from a centrist Democrat. He even put up a video of somebody putting up a conservative defense of the ACA.
shinra-bansho
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Lol. White people externalising white people privilege and racism.
Sorry, people are just shit. And they're shit under all political and economic systems.
You want to win over more minorities and broader swathes of women to your cause, then stop pretending the random acts of bigotry, misogyny, and hatred they experience on a regular basis that you have never experienced will magically disappear due to fist for 15.
Sorry, people are just shit. And they're shit under all political and economic systems.
You want to win over more minorities and broader swathes of women to your cause, then stop pretending the random acts of bigotry, misogyny, and hatred they experience on a regular basis that you have never experienced will magically disappear due to fist for 15.
Spoiled Milk
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Bill Kristol‏Verified account @BillKristol 9h9 hours ago
Conservatives could "rebrand" as liberals. Seriously. We're for liberal democracy, liberal world order, liberal economy, liberal education.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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He has not heard the incomparable insights of Arius.
Frank the Great
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Poor naive child still thinks conservatives have a unifying philosophy behind "fuck you I got mine" and racism.
what a horrible fucking attitude
If you really think people will always be awful, why bother for fighting for any change at all?
No socialist would say that an economic transformation alone would end racism and misogyny (though it could potentially change their expression), but we recognize that these structures of oppression have a material basis.
Spoiled Milk
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Billy Kristol isn't a racist, just a jerk :/
BlastProcessing
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A dude so deep in Russian pockets that Republican leadership jokes about it:
And I wonder how worried Paulie boy is getting:
That little bit of obstruction on Ryan's part doesn't look so great these days.
shinra-bansho
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It's a realistic attitude.
Talk to me about the inherent goodness of racists and bigots when you've actually been on the receiving end of it, kthx.
Why fight for change? Because you can use structures and systems to rein in or curtail the shitness of people so that they do less harm to others because of their shitness.
But the systems do not create the shitness. People do themselves. Because sorry, people are just shit.
Talk to me about the inherent goodness of racists and bigots when you've actually been on the receiving end of it, kthx.
Why fight for change? Because you can use structures and systems to rein in or curtail the shitness of people so that they do less harm to others because of their shitness.
But the systems do not create the shitness. People do themselves. Because sorry, people are just shit.
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